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Dyskolos 04:37, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
At ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/SqueakBox), 82:45 raised some points about the possibility of socking, that I think were ignored. As well as the obvious shared interests, deployment of the Pol64 character when SB is approaching the 3RR and similar typing inaccuracies (diffs can be provided if current evidence is insufficient), it seems as if the login and edit times of these two accounts have not been investigated. To allow you to do this, I shall list all of Pol64's edits, broken up into what appear to be login sessions. I will also show strings of SqueakBox edits that are close to these sessions, when available. Although SqueakBox's presence as a regular means that we must urge caution before drawing conclusions from similar login times, a few more patterns can be observed by using this method:
Pol64 on 1 Aug:
· 20:53, 1 August 2007 · 20:50, 1 August 2007 · 20:48, 1 August 2007 · 20:47, 1 August 2007
SqueakBox was logged in on this day, at a similar time, with no overlap and a gap in editing for Pol64's session. Here is a cropped sample:
· 21:17, 1 August 2007 · 21:16, 1 August 2007 · 21:05, 1 August 2007 · 21:04, 1 August 2007 · 21:03, 1 August 2007 · 21:01, 1 August 2007 · 21:00, 1 August 2007 · 20:37, 1 August 2007 · 20:12, 1 August 2007 · 20:12, 1 August 2007 · 20:11, 1 August 2007 · 20:05, 1 August 2007 · 20:05, 1 August 2007
Pol64 on 2 Aug:
· 20:50, 2 August 2007 · 20:46, 2 August 2007 · 20:41, 2 August 2007 · 20:40, 2 August 2007 · 20:38, 2 August 2007 · 20:36, 2 August 2007 · 17:08, 2 August 2007 · 17:07, 2 August 2007 · 17:04, 2 August 2007 · 17:00, 2 August 2007 · 16:58, 2 August 2007 · 16:56, 2 August 2007 · 16:56, 2 August 2007 · 16:49, 2 August 2007 · 16:47, 2 August 2007 · 16:46, 2 August 2007 · 16:45, 2 August 2007 · 16:33, 2 August 2007 · 16:32, 2 August 2007 · 16:32, 2 August 2007 · 16:31, 2 August 2007 · 16:30, 2 August 2007
SqueakBox was also logged in on this day, making two edits directly before and after, but not during Pol64's session:
· 21:24, 2 August 2007 · 16:21, 2 August 2007
Pol64 on 17 Aug:
· 23:25, 17 August 2007 · 23:22, 17 August 2007
SqueakBox was also logged in on this day, at a similar time, making two strings of edits that broke cleanly for those of Pol64. Here is a cropped sample:
· 23:57, 17 August 2007 · 23:51, 17 August 2007 · 23:49, 17 August 2007 · 23:37, 17 August 2007 · 23:35, 17 August 2007 · 23:06, 17 August 2007 · 23:04, 17 August 2007 · 23:01, 17 August 2007 · 23:00, 17 August 2007
Pol64 on 29 Aug:
· 18:24, 29 August 2007 · 18:23, 29 August 2007 · 18:18, 29 August 2007
Squeakbox's edits were related to Pol64's as per the 17th.
· 19:16, 29 August 2007 · 19:15, 29 August 2007 · 18:53, 29 August 2007 · 18:49, 29 August 2007 · 17:35, 29 August 2007 · 17:25, 29 August 2007
Pol64 on 31 Aug:
· 03:15, 31 August 2007 · 03:12, 31 August 2007
SqueakBox was logged in on the same day, at similar times:
· 02:07, 31 August 2007 · 02:07, 31 August 2007 · 02:06, 31 August 2007 · 02:05, 31 August 2007
Pol64 on 17 Sep (a):
· 16:05, 17 September 2007 · 15:58, 17 September 2007 · 15:42, 17 September 2007
SqueakBox posts another same day, same time session that breaks cleanly for Pol64's, with no overlap. Here is a cropped sample:
· 16:28, 17 September 2007 · 16:27, 17 September 2007 · 16:27, 17 September 2007 · 16:25, 17 September 2007 · 15:35, 17 September 2007 · 15:31, 17 September 2007 · 15:25, 17 September 2007 · 15:25, 17 September 2007 · 15:21, 17 September 2007 · 15:20, 17 September 2007
Pol64 on 17 Sep (b):
· 17:04, 17 September 2007
SqueakBox is again logged in at the same time (note, his edits either side of Pol64's are on the same talk page):
· 17:20, 17 September 2007 · 17:18, 17 September 2007 · 17:17, 17 September 2007 · 17:16, 17 September 2007 · 17:10, 17 September 2007 · 17:09, 17 September 2007 · 16:54, 17 September 2007 · 16:50, 17 September 2007 · 16:46, 17 September 2007
Pol64 on 17 Sep (c):
18:20, 17 September 2007
Again, SqueakBox is logged in within an hour of Pol64:
· 17:23, 17 September 2007 · 17:22, 17 September 2007 · 17:20, 17 September 2007 · 17:18, 17 September 2007 · 17:17, 17 September 2007
Pol64 on 21 Sep:
22:05, 21 September 2007
Again, SqueakBox is logged in at a similar time:
· 21:35, 21 September 2007 · 21:30, 21 September 2007 · 21:27, 21 September 2007 · 21:25, 21 September 2007 · 21:22, 21 September 2007
Pol64 on 22 Sep:
· 00:36, 22 September 2007 · 00:27, 22 September 2007
SqueakBox was logged in 3 hours before. SqueakBox is sometimes logged in at these times, though.
Pol64 on 24 Sep:
· 02:07, 24 September 2007 · 02:07, 24 September 2007 · 02:04, 24 September 2007
SqueakBox was not logged in within many hours of this session, but was active on this day. His sessions sometimes end at similar times.
Pol64 on 25 Sep:
· 00:27, 25 September 2007 · 00:21, 25 September 2007
SqueakBox posts strings of posts either side of this session. Here is a cropped sample:
· 00:59, 25 September 2007 · 00:40, 25 September 2007 · 00:36, 25 September 2007 · 00:08, 25 September 2007 · 00:08, 25 September 2007 · 00:07, 25 September 2007 · 00:06, 25 September 2007 · 00:05, 25 September 2007 · 00:05, 25 September 2007 · 00:04, 25 September 2007 · 00:04, 25 September 2007
Pol64 on 27 Sep:
· 23:20, 27 September 2007 · 23:18, 27 September 2007
SqueakBox previously made a long string of edits:
· 22:44, 27 September 2007 · 22:40, 27 September 2007 · 22:34, 27 September 2007 · 22:33, 27 September 2007 · 22:32, 27 September 2007 · 22:31, 27 September 2007 · 22:31, 27 September 2007 · 22:30, 27 September 2007 · 22:27, 27 September 2007 · 22:26, 27 September 2007 · 22:23, 27 September 2007 · 22:22, 27 September 2007 · 22:17, 27 September 2007 · 22:16, 27 September 2007 · 22:05, 27 September 2007 · 22:02, 27 September 2007 · 21:57, 27 September 2007 · 21:55, 27 September 2007 · 21:43, 27 September 2007 · 21:42, 27 September 2007 · 21:34, 27 September 2007 · 21:33, 27 September 2007 · 21:19, 27 September 2007 · 19:17, 27 September 2007 · 19:17, 27 September 2007 · 19:05, 27 September 2007 · 18:53, 27 September 2007 · 18:49, 27 September 2007 · 18:48, 27 September 2007 · 18:45, 27 September 2007 · 18:43, 27 September 2007 · 18:41, 27 September 2007 · 18:38, 27 September 2007
Interestingly, Pol64 also posts a long string of edits that adjoins SqueakBox's perfectly, but does not overlap:
· 18:16, 27 September 2007 · 18:09, 27 September 2007 · 17:44, 27 September 2007 · 17:43, 27 September 2007 · 17:42, 27 September 2007 · 17:34, 27 September 2007 · 17:27, 27 September 2007 · 17:23, 27 September 2007 · 17:03, 27 September 2007 · 17:01, 27 September 2007 · 16:58, 27 September 2007 · 16:54, 27 September 2007 · 16:53, 27 September 2007 · 16:51, 27 September 2007
Bear in mind that SqueakBox is in Guatemala and Pol64 is supposedly in London. Why are they always logged in at the same or similar times? Why do their sessions never overlap? Why do convenient gaps appear in SqueakBox's edit pattern, when Pol64 makes edits? Dyskolos 04:37, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
To me this looks like harrassment from pro pedophile activism supporters who clearly have a grudge against me as this is the third sockpuppet allegation within one week all acusing Pol64 of being my sock, the first two requests have been declined at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/SqueakBox. While the first request was good faith I dont believe the second or this third repeating the same request is being made in good faith, while Dyklos recent contribs here and here and [1] also look like pure harrassment from a user who makes few contributions to the project and most of those related to paedophile issues.
The kind of typos I make are made by many users as they are typing and not spelling errors, while this time thing is ridiculous. I edit throughout the day every day from late morning to early evening, which is 7 hours later in England and many UK users edit at that time so it is clearly coincidence if there is a pattern at all and I really do not understand where her is coiming from with this timing issue but is being used to harrass. The only real question to me is whether Dyklos is 82.45.15.121, likely given that it was 82.45 who made the 2nd sockpupet allegation and invented this bizarre timing issue, SqueakBox 18:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC) SqueakBox 18:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
We do not make requests to harrass people, now stop it, because all yopu are doing is harrassment, besides which the check case is not finished and you can add evidence there, your wanting a third shot is clear evidence iof harrassment, and your evidence is lousy and pure specualtion (Pol edits at a time when I wasn't but often do being a classic [piece of rubbish), SqueakBox 19:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
I beg your pardon. Pleasse stop trolling me as your tantrum allegations clearly are. You know you are harassing me because the claim has benn rejected twice in one week and allt he above alleged evidence shoul;d not be here and is nothing of the kind. Thyese case4s are not desifgned for one user to harrass another as you are doing to me. I know you don;t care about being blocked but behaviour is uncivil trolling, SqueakBox 19:43, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
Keep bringin gup the bad faith assumptions and see where it gets you. I amlosing because you are trolling me, is that what you mean? Or is it just wishful thinking, ie you hope if you troll me long enough I will lose it. Lol. You are muddling Pol64 with Mike D78, hje was using proxies, Pol64 has not been shown to be using a proxy except in yoyur imagination. I am protesting cos your harrassment deserves that, SqueakBox 20:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
As far as I know, no internal process has proven that Pol64 is using a proxy, although my own investigation did confirm this. Dyskolos 20:35, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
So I raise a valid point against you, and you use it against me! "He knows this, so he must be...". I personally have not had many debates with you, although I have been around long enough to back up my observations. Again, not looking at the evidence, are we? Dyskolos 20:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
Now, if that's not a bad faith assumption, I don't know what is!
You did indeed ask the other editor to provide diffs. This editor responded correctly, stating that diffs were not needed for this kind of evidence. The reason is obvious. Diffs show a single edit. We are looking at edits in their context, and diffs show nothing except the edit itself. Therefore suggesting that diffs are required is a convenient way of getting around the obvious evidence of socking presented above, and in your contribution log(s). Dyskolos 20:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
These accounts have been the subject of investigation recently by both myself and checkuser Deskana. Pol64 is geographically unrelated to SqueakBox and does not edit from a proxy. There is no persuasive evidence of sockpuppetry and a lot of evidence rebutting it. Given the previous checkuser requests that have made this clear, this request seems to be an attempt at harassment rather than a genuine suspicion of sockpupptry. WjB scribe 20:55, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
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Dyskolos 04:37, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
At ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/SqueakBox), 82:45 raised some points about the possibility of socking, that I think were ignored. As well as the obvious shared interests, deployment of the Pol64 character when SB is approaching the 3RR and similar typing inaccuracies (diffs can be provided if current evidence is insufficient), it seems as if the login and edit times of these two accounts have not been investigated. To allow you to do this, I shall list all of Pol64's edits, broken up into what appear to be login sessions. I will also show strings of SqueakBox edits that are close to these sessions, when available. Although SqueakBox's presence as a regular means that we must urge caution before drawing conclusions from similar login times, a few more patterns can be observed by using this method:
Pol64 on 1 Aug:
· 20:53, 1 August 2007 · 20:50, 1 August 2007 · 20:48, 1 August 2007 · 20:47, 1 August 2007
SqueakBox was logged in on this day, at a similar time, with no overlap and a gap in editing for Pol64's session. Here is a cropped sample:
· 21:17, 1 August 2007 · 21:16, 1 August 2007 · 21:05, 1 August 2007 · 21:04, 1 August 2007 · 21:03, 1 August 2007 · 21:01, 1 August 2007 · 21:00, 1 August 2007 · 20:37, 1 August 2007 · 20:12, 1 August 2007 · 20:12, 1 August 2007 · 20:11, 1 August 2007 · 20:05, 1 August 2007 · 20:05, 1 August 2007
Pol64 on 2 Aug:
· 20:50, 2 August 2007 · 20:46, 2 August 2007 · 20:41, 2 August 2007 · 20:40, 2 August 2007 · 20:38, 2 August 2007 · 20:36, 2 August 2007 · 17:08, 2 August 2007 · 17:07, 2 August 2007 · 17:04, 2 August 2007 · 17:00, 2 August 2007 · 16:58, 2 August 2007 · 16:56, 2 August 2007 · 16:56, 2 August 2007 · 16:49, 2 August 2007 · 16:47, 2 August 2007 · 16:46, 2 August 2007 · 16:45, 2 August 2007 · 16:33, 2 August 2007 · 16:32, 2 August 2007 · 16:32, 2 August 2007 · 16:31, 2 August 2007 · 16:30, 2 August 2007
SqueakBox was also logged in on this day, making two edits directly before and after, but not during Pol64's session:
· 21:24, 2 August 2007 · 16:21, 2 August 2007
Pol64 on 17 Aug:
· 23:25, 17 August 2007 · 23:22, 17 August 2007
SqueakBox was also logged in on this day, at a similar time, making two strings of edits that broke cleanly for those of Pol64. Here is a cropped sample:
· 23:57, 17 August 2007 · 23:51, 17 August 2007 · 23:49, 17 August 2007 · 23:37, 17 August 2007 · 23:35, 17 August 2007 · 23:06, 17 August 2007 · 23:04, 17 August 2007 · 23:01, 17 August 2007 · 23:00, 17 August 2007
Pol64 on 29 Aug:
· 18:24, 29 August 2007 · 18:23, 29 August 2007 · 18:18, 29 August 2007
Squeakbox's edits were related to Pol64's as per the 17th.
· 19:16, 29 August 2007 · 19:15, 29 August 2007 · 18:53, 29 August 2007 · 18:49, 29 August 2007 · 17:35, 29 August 2007 · 17:25, 29 August 2007
Pol64 on 31 Aug:
· 03:15, 31 August 2007 · 03:12, 31 August 2007
SqueakBox was logged in on the same day, at similar times:
· 02:07, 31 August 2007 · 02:07, 31 August 2007 · 02:06, 31 August 2007 · 02:05, 31 August 2007
Pol64 on 17 Sep (a):
· 16:05, 17 September 2007 · 15:58, 17 September 2007 · 15:42, 17 September 2007
SqueakBox posts another same day, same time session that breaks cleanly for Pol64's, with no overlap. Here is a cropped sample:
· 16:28, 17 September 2007 · 16:27, 17 September 2007 · 16:27, 17 September 2007 · 16:25, 17 September 2007 · 15:35, 17 September 2007 · 15:31, 17 September 2007 · 15:25, 17 September 2007 · 15:25, 17 September 2007 · 15:21, 17 September 2007 · 15:20, 17 September 2007
Pol64 on 17 Sep (b):
· 17:04, 17 September 2007
SqueakBox is again logged in at the same time (note, his edits either side of Pol64's are on the same talk page):
· 17:20, 17 September 2007 · 17:18, 17 September 2007 · 17:17, 17 September 2007 · 17:16, 17 September 2007 · 17:10, 17 September 2007 · 17:09, 17 September 2007 · 16:54, 17 September 2007 · 16:50, 17 September 2007 · 16:46, 17 September 2007
Pol64 on 17 Sep (c):
18:20, 17 September 2007
Again, SqueakBox is logged in within an hour of Pol64:
· 17:23, 17 September 2007 · 17:22, 17 September 2007 · 17:20, 17 September 2007 · 17:18, 17 September 2007 · 17:17, 17 September 2007
Pol64 on 21 Sep:
22:05, 21 September 2007
Again, SqueakBox is logged in at a similar time:
· 21:35, 21 September 2007 · 21:30, 21 September 2007 · 21:27, 21 September 2007 · 21:25, 21 September 2007 · 21:22, 21 September 2007
Pol64 on 22 Sep:
· 00:36, 22 September 2007 · 00:27, 22 September 2007
SqueakBox was logged in 3 hours before. SqueakBox is sometimes logged in at these times, though.
Pol64 on 24 Sep:
· 02:07, 24 September 2007 · 02:07, 24 September 2007 · 02:04, 24 September 2007
SqueakBox was not logged in within many hours of this session, but was active on this day. His sessions sometimes end at similar times.
Pol64 on 25 Sep:
· 00:27, 25 September 2007 · 00:21, 25 September 2007
SqueakBox posts strings of posts either side of this session. Here is a cropped sample:
· 00:59, 25 September 2007 · 00:40, 25 September 2007 · 00:36, 25 September 2007 · 00:08, 25 September 2007 · 00:08, 25 September 2007 · 00:07, 25 September 2007 · 00:06, 25 September 2007 · 00:05, 25 September 2007 · 00:05, 25 September 2007 · 00:04, 25 September 2007 · 00:04, 25 September 2007
Pol64 on 27 Sep:
· 23:20, 27 September 2007 · 23:18, 27 September 2007
SqueakBox previously made a long string of edits:
· 22:44, 27 September 2007 · 22:40, 27 September 2007 · 22:34, 27 September 2007 · 22:33, 27 September 2007 · 22:32, 27 September 2007 · 22:31, 27 September 2007 · 22:31, 27 September 2007 · 22:30, 27 September 2007 · 22:27, 27 September 2007 · 22:26, 27 September 2007 · 22:23, 27 September 2007 · 22:22, 27 September 2007 · 22:17, 27 September 2007 · 22:16, 27 September 2007 · 22:05, 27 September 2007 · 22:02, 27 September 2007 · 21:57, 27 September 2007 · 21:55, 27 September 2007 · 21:43, 27 September 2007 · 21:42, 27 September 2007 · 21:34, 27 September 2007 · 21:33, 27 September 2007 · 21:19, 27 September 2007 · 19:17, 27 September 2007 · 19:17, 27 September 2007 · 19:05, 27 September 2007 · 18:53, 27 September 2007 · 18:49, 27 September 2007 · 18:48, 27 September 2007 · 18:45, 27 September 2007 · 18:43, 27 September 2007 · 18:41, 27 September 2007 · 18:38, 27 September 2007
Interestingly, Pol64 also posts a long string of edits that adjoins SqueakBox's perfectly, but does not overlap:
· 18:16, 27 September 2007 · 18:09, 27 September 2007 · 17:44, 27 September 2007 · 17:43, 27 September 2007 · 17:42, 27 September 2007 · 17:34, 27 September 2007 · 17:27, 27 September 2007 · 17:23, 27 September 2007 · 17:03, 27 September 2007 · 17:01, 27 September 2007 · 16:58, 27 September 2007 · 16:54, 27 September 2007 · 16:53, 27 September 2007 · 16:51, 27 September 2007
Bear in mind that SqueakBox is in Guatemala and Pol64 is supposedly in London. Why are they always logged in at the same or similar times? Why do their sessions never overlap? Why do convenient gaps appear in SqueakBox's edit pattern, when Pol64 makes edits? Dyskolos 04:37, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
To me this looks like harrassment from pro pedophile activism supporters who clearly have a grudge against me as this is the third sockpuppet allegation within one week all acusing Pol64 of being my sock, the first two requests have been declined at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/SqueakBox. While the first request was good faith I dont believe the second or this third repeating the same request is being made in good faith, while Dyklos recent contribs here and here and [1] also look like pure harrassment from a user who makes few contributions to the project and most of those related to paedophile issues.
The kind of typos I make are made by many users as they are typing and not spelling errors, while this time thing is ridiculous. I edit throughout the day every day from late morning to early evening, which is 7 hours later in England and many UK users edit at that time so it is clearly coincidence if there is a pattern at all and I really do not understand where her is coiming from with this timing issue but is being used to harrass. The only real question to me is whether Dyklos is 82.45.15.121, likely given that it was 82.45 who made the 2nd sockpupet allegation and invented this bizarre timing issue, SqueakBox 18:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC) SqueakBox 18:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
We do not make requests to harrass people, now stop it, because all yopu are doing is harrassment, besides which the check case is not finished and you can add evidence there, your wanting a third shot is clear evidence iof harrassment, and your evidence is lousy and pure specualtion (Pol edits at a time when I wasn't but often do being a classic [piece of rubbish), SqueakBox 19:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
I beg your pardon. Pleasse stop trolling me as your tantrum allegations clearly are. You know you are harassing me because the claim has benn rejected twice in one week and allt he above alleged evidence shoul;d not be here and is nothing of the kind. Thyese case4s are not desifgned for one user to harrass another as you are doing to me. I know you don;t care about being blocked but behaviour is uncivil trolling, SqueakBox 19:43, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
Keep bringin gup the bad faith assumptions and see where it gets you. I amlosing because you are trolling me, is that what you mean? Or is it just wishful thinking, ie you hope if you troll me long enough I will lose it. Lol. You are muddling Pol64 with Mike D78, hje was using proxies, Pol64 has not been shown to be using a proxy except in yoyur imagination. I am protesting cos your harrassment deserves that, SqueakBox 20:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
As far as I know, no internal process has proven that Pol64 is using a proxy, although my own investigation did confirm this. Dyskolos 20:35, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
So I raise a valid point against you, and you use it against me! "He knows this, so he must be...". I personally have not had many debates with you, although I have been around long enough to back up my observations. Again, not looking at the evidence, are we? Dyskolos 20:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
Now, if that's not a bad faith assumption, I don't know what is!
You did indeed ask the other editor to provide diffs. This editor responded correctly, stating that diffs were not needed for this kind of evidence. The reason is obvious. Diffs show a single edit. We are looking at edits in their context, and diffs show nothing except the edit itself. Therefore suggesting that diffs are required is a convenient way of getting around the obvious evidence of socking presented above, and in your contribution log(s). Dyskolos 20:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply
These accounts have been the subject of investigation recently by both myself and checkuser Deskana. Pol64 is geographically unrelated to SqueakBox and does not edit from a proxy. There is no persuasive evidence of sockpuppetry and a lot of evidence rebutting it. Given the previous checkuser requests that have made this clear, this request seems to be an attempt at harassment rather than a genuine suspicion of sockpupptry. WjB scribe 20:55, 30 September 2007 (UTC) reply