An edit war has been going on on The Smurfs since July 19th, when 72.48.12.232 added an external link to Pvcblue's site [1], and Pvcblue corrected that tlink three minutes later [2] (I suppose the first is his original IP address, and he wasn't logged in then: no problem there). After a week, a number of IP address users started to read the link, without further comment: this was usually their only edit to Wikipedia. I suspect that they are either sockpuppets or meatpuppets of pvcblue. The reason why the link is unnecessary and the discussion is at the talk page, but that is irrelevant here.
Things then got quiet for a few weeks, but after I deleted the link again (as no reason for including it was given on the talk page), it started all over again the last few days:
Eigth different users all with the same single purpose and method, it gets a bit tiring... Fram 09:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC) reply
A - Fram only removes my link because he has issues with me, when a wiki edit monitor said it could stay, Fram still removed it, when another wiki mod re-added my link and shortened it for comprimise , again Fram removed it - weeks after stating I was told to make a case for it, NO ADMIN or EDIT MONITOR sent me any kind of message or said in any discussion for me to make a case for it, but THEY did put it back on the page, Fram who thinks he own's the page keeps removing it.
B - Fram now accuses me of what, I am not really sure exactly as the whole process and pages and definitions are so conveluted and unreadable and unfollowable it is not funny, but as far as I see this thing, he is saying I put people up to doing this, returning my link after he (not anyone else) decides it should be removed. No I don't tell or make anyone do anything, but if others who dont like what he is doing are doing this - it is his problem - not mine.
There are also 3 other links there on that page that should be removed for the same reasons as Fram keeps stating for my link removal but he leaves them there, seems I am the only one that Fram removes tho - this link thing is his little pet project. He needs to leave it alone, when a edit monitor himself makes the link acceptable and adds it back to the page a normal user like Fram should not remove it! Plain and simple.
Pvcblue 15:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC) reply
You are so full of it - where in any of this does this prove anything about "sockpuppets"?? It doesn't!!! You can speculate all you want but it is your suspicions against me, saying I did, but I didn't have anything to do with "puppetry" - this is your personal vendetta - I didn't put anyone up to it, but you have this need to come after me.
you wrote - "Reply to the rest: other links are not the focus of this discussion, this is about suspected sock (or meat) puppets. Again you are talking about "edit monitors" versus "normal users", but that kind of thing does not exist here. Furthermore, please show me where some other long-time editor has readded the link (and not just shortened, cleaned, ... it after you put it up and refused to put it at the bottom and/or make it shorter). As far as I know, no one except you and the above eight editors have ever added this link. Fram 20:20, 22 August 2006 (UTC)"
Cobaltbluetony is a edit monitor, he fixed and replaced the link to my website - you are a regular user - where do you get off undoing what he does?
Also you only have 6 unknown editors - one is me - I forgot to log in - the horror!! and 2 are registered users, now if you are unfairly accusing them of something I wonder if they can go to wiki about you?
58.170.1.153 inetnum: 58.160.0.0 - 58.175.255.255 netname: TELSTRAINTERNET42-AU descr: Telstra Internet descr: Locked Bag 5744 descr: Canberra descr: ACT 2601 country: AU
60.229.173.157
inetnum: 60.224.0.0 - 60.231.255.255
netname: TELSTRAINTERNET43-AU
descr: Telstra Internet
descr: Locked Bag 5744
descr: Canberra
descr: ACT 2601
country: AU
71.125.241.83 OrgName: Verizon Internet Services Inc. OrgID: VRIS Address: 1880 Campus Commons Dr City: Reston StateProv: VA PostalCode: 20191 Country: US
72.48.32.190
Grande Communications Networks, Inc. GRANDECOM-05 (NET-72-48-0-0-1)
72.48.0.0 - 72.48.255.255
Grande Communications FRISCO GRANDECOM-FRISCO-DSL-DYNAMIC (NET-72-48-0-0-2)
72.48.0.0 - 72.48.63.255
72.68.162.63
OrgName: Verizon Internet Services Inc.
OrgID: VRIS
Address: 1880 Campus Commons Dr
City: Reston
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20191
Country: US
72.80.106.54
OrgName: Verizon Internet Services Inc.
OrgID: VRIS
Address: 1880 Campus Commons Dr
City: Reston
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20191
Country: US
Fram just go get a real life - leave me the hell alone! I left you alone for weeks, not even caring about links or anything, but all of a sudden YOU decided you needed to remove the link to my site again, and someone else - thank you whoever you are - decides it needed to go back - so what do you do? - "oh let's got get pvcblue" - you need a reality break!
You wote - " Basically, there is no reason given to have your site in the external links, you have not continued the discussion at the talk page (and refused discussion at your own talk page), you have made incivil remarks repeatedly, and there is a quite suspicious amount of new users with the same editing pattern, which is actually all that this page is about. "
No I haven't continued to contribute - YOU MADE ME FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE HERE - your constant harrassment made me feel unwelcome and I left - just like now - I have not been around for weeks, yet you bring this back to me and I have had nothing to do with it. YOU HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM, you are the one who needs to be looked into. I am saying this for the last time - LEAVE ME ALONE! I don't care what YOU feel or think is right or wrong. YOU are not GOD - YOU are not the owners of this site, YOU are just a person with a agenda and personal grudge. - The word by the way is UNCIVIL not incivil, and so what I have made them, big deal - YOU WON'T LEAVE ME ALONE! You are a arrogant, self righteous, pompass, small minded little man and need to get a life! You can have all the freaking suspicions you want and have fun doing it - BUT LEAVE ME THE HECK ALONE! IF everyone is equal and there are no MODS or ADMINS, then YOU need to stop YOUR actions and just leave me alone - YOU brought this to me (and keep doing so) and wonder why I am uncivil? You do need serious help! Pvcblue 13:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC) reply
An edit war has been going on on The Smurfs since July 19th, when 72.48.12.232 added an external link to Pvcblue's site [1], and Pvcblue corrected that tlink three minutes later [2] (I suppose the first is his original IP address, and he wasn't logged in then: no problem there). After a week, a number of IP address users started to read the link, without further comment: this was usually their only edit to Wikipedia. I suspect that they are either sockpuppets or meatpuppets of pvcblue. The reason why the link is unnecessary and the discussion is at the talk page, but that is irrelevant here.
Things then got quiet for a few weeks, but after I deleted the link again (as no reason for including it was given on the talk page), it started all over again the last few days:
Eigth different users all with the same single purpose and method, it gets a bit tiring... Fram 09:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC) reply
A - Fram only removes my link because he has issues with me, when a wiki edit monitor said it could stay, Fram still removed it, when another wiki mod re-added my link and shortened it for comprimise , again Fram removed it - weeks after stating I was told to make a case for it, NO ADMIN or EDIT MONITOR sent me any kind of message or said in any discussion for me to make a case for it, but THEY did put it back on the page, Fram who thinks he own's the page keeps removing it.
B - Fram now accuses me of what, I am not really sure exactly as the whole process and pages and definitions are so conveluted and unreadable and unfollowable it is not funny, but as far as I see this thing, he is saying I put people up to doing this, returning my link after he (not anyone else) decides it should be removed. No I don't tell or make anyone do anything, but if others who dont like what he is doing are doing this - it is his problem - not mine.
There are also 3 other links there on that page that should be removed for the same reasons as Fram keeps stating for my link removal but he leaves them there, seems I am the only one that Fram removes tho - this link thing is his little pet project. He needs to leave it alone, when a edit monitor himself makes the link acceptable and adds it back to the page a normal user like Fram should not remove it! Plain and simple.
Pvcblue 15:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC) reply
You are so full of it - where in any of this does this prove anything about "sockpuppets"?? It doesn't!!! You can speculate all you want but it is your suspicions against me, saying I did, but I didn't have anything to do with "puppetry" - this is your personal vendetta - I didn't put anyone up to it, but you have this need to come after me.
you wrote - "Reply to the rest: other links are not the focus of this discussion, this is about suspected sock (or meat) puppets. Again you are talking about "edit monitors" versus "normal users", but that kind of thing does not exist here. Furthermore, please show me where some other long-time editor has readded the link (and not just shortened, cleaned, ... it after you put it up and refused to put it at the bottom and/or make it shorter). As far as I know, no one except you and the above eight editors have ever added this link. Fram 20:20, 22 August 2006 (UTC)"
Cobaltbluetony is a edit monitor, he fixed and replaced the link to my website - you are a regular user - where do you get off undoing what he does?
Also you only have 6 unknown editors - one is me - I forgot to log in - the horror!! and 2 are registered users, now if you are unfairly accusing them of something I wonder if they can go to wiki about you?
58.170.1.153 inetnum: 58.160.0.0 - 58.175.255.255 netname: TELSTRAINTERNET42-AU descr: Telstra Internet descr: Locked Bag 5744 descr: Canberra descr: ACT 2601 country: AU
60.229.173.157
inetnum: 60.224.0.0 - 60.231.255.255
netname: TELSTRAINTERNET43-AU
descr: Telstra Internet
descr: Locked Bag 5744
descr: Canberra
descr: ACT 2601
country: AU
71.125.241.83 OrgName: Verizon Internet Services Inc. OrgID: VRIS Address: 1880 Campus Commons Dr City: Reston StateProv: VA PostalCode: 20191 Country: US
72.48.32.190
Grande Communications Networks, Inc. GRANDECOM-05 (NET-72-48-0-0-1)
72.48.0.0 - 72.48.255.255
Grande Communications FRISCO GRANDECOM-FRISCO-DSL-DYNAMIC (NET-72-48-0-0-2)
72.48.0.0 - 72.48.63.255
72.68.162.63
OrgName: Verizon Internet Services Inc.
OrgID: VRIS
Address: 1880 Campus Commons Dr
City: Reston
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20191
Country: US
72.80.106.54
OrgName: Verizon Internet Services Inc.
OrgID: VRIS
Address: 1880 Campus Commons Dr
City: Reston
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20191
Country: US
Fram just go get a real life - leave me the hell alone! I left you alone for weeks, not even caring about links or anything, but all of a sudden YOU decided you needed to remove the link to my site again, and someone else - thank you whoever you are - decides it needed to go back - so what do you do? - "oh let's got get pvcblue" - you need a reality break!
You wote - " Basically, there is no reason given to have your site in the external links, you have not continued the discussion at the talk page (and refused discussion at your own talk page), you have made incivil remarks repeatedly, and there is a quite suspicious amount of new users with the same editing pattern, which is actually all that this page is about. "
No I haven't continued to contribute - YOU MADE ME FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE HERE - your constant harrassment made me feel unwelcome and I left - just like now - I have not been around for weeks, yet you bring this back to me and I have had nothing to do with it. YOU HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM, you are the one who needs to be looked into. I am saying this for the last time - LEAVE ME ALONE! I don't care what YOU feel or think is right or wrong. YOU are not GOD - YOU are not the owners of this site, YOU are just a person with a agenda and personal grudge. - The word by the way is UNCIVIL not incivil, and so what I have made them, big deal - YOU WON'T LEAVE ME ALONE! You are a arrogant, self righteous, pompass, small minded little man and need to get a life! You can have all the freaking suspicions you want and have fun doing it - BUT LEAVE ME THE HECK ALONE! IF everyone is equal and there are no MODS or ADMINS, then YOU need to stop YOUR actions and just leave me alone - YOU brought this to me (and keep doing so) and wonder why I am uncivil? You do need serious help! Pvcblue 13:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC) reply