Uninsured Driver (
talk ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
page moves ·
block user ·
block log), formerly
Uninsureddriver (
talk ·
contribs), goes by
NoInsurance (
talk ·
contribs) in sig
Initial suspect was Jeff Defender, but evidence has shifted the suspicion toward Uninsured Driver, which may itself be a sockpuppet; the puppeteer may well be as-yet unidentified; checkuser might be needed to resolve the matter.
Jeff Defender (
talk ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
page moves ·
block user ·
block log) (possible puppeteer)
Honda Pilot (
talk ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
page moves ·
block user ·
block log) (goes by HP in link-free sig intended to prevent talk page feedback) —
confirmed as a Jeff Defender sockpuppet via checkuser
Jbl1975 (
talk ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
page moves ·
block user ·
block log) (possible puppeteer)
68.237.229.68 (
talk ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
page moves ·
block user ·
block log)
Karim Prince (
talk ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
page moves ·
block user ·
block log) a.k.a.
Karim Prince1 (
talk ·
contribs)
Wooyi
Talk,
Editor review
00:25, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
reply
SMcCandlish [
talk] [
contrib ツ
01:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
reply
This is a procedural report, due to concerns raised in Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Dgies by User:SMcCandlish. --Wooyi
I've made it quite a bit more than procedural. :-) --SMcCandlish
Evidence from SMcCandlish:
I first encountered this clade of socks when Jeff Defender ( talk · contribs) filed this bad-faith, WP:POINT-violating AfD (compare Honda Pilot's similar b.s. today here, which notably had to do with "Vandalism", a topic in the WP context that Jeff Defender and Honda Pilot know far too much about, such as block times and indefblocking, to be newbies). Jeff Defender is supposed to be a brand new user, but already knows how to (ab)use AfD? Ri-i-ght... This is likely a puppet of 68.237.229.68 ( talk · contribs), and of Karim Prince1 ( talk · contribs), and Jbl1975 ( talk · contribs), among others that an admin could dig out of a deleted talk page. See User talk:Jeff Defender and edit history (not to mention the username...) Jeff got his pet non-notable WP:WEBsite speedied, and rather than try to understand why has lashed out by filing frivolous "oh yeah, well, then delete this too!" nonsense AfDs. The user's history consists of nothing but the following actions, as of that date (and precious little since, other than some fake apologetics, and now adding more suckpuppet !votes in an RfA): getting his vanity article speedied (was defending it in talk under another username, by his own admission of sockpupettry, and clearly is not a newbie and likes to cite obscure WP essays at people in defending his WP:COI article), adding blatant WP:SPAM here, trying to delete the speedy tag under one username or another but got caught by someone who evidently had already identified this person as a sockpuppet (since Jeff Defender's edit history doesn't itself show the speedy tag deletion), and meanwhile attacked a random stub, using the same "vanity" label he lost his wikispam to. Please note that User:Hatch68 had already figured out Jeff Defender was a sock puppet before I even started looking. [1]
Next, the Uninsured Driver puppet attacked my RfA (successfully sabotaging it in fact) with an alarmist report that I was savaging some poor newbie, and then went and gloated about how my outing of the Jeff Defender puppet would harm my RfA, here (as shown below, this is the 2nd not 1st time that U.D. has popped up out of Neverland to defend J.D. from sockpuppet allegations). The Uninsured Driver puppet has done virtually nothing at all on WP other than try to defend Golden-Road.net, oppose username-related policy tightening at RFC, and upset the RfA of the "outer" of the Jeff Defender puppet, and create a NoInsurance ( talk · contribs) doppelganger. Turned into a sleeper on Feb. 20. Contribs, for examination.
Didn't see much going on with these "users" until today, when Jeff Defender reactivated and opposed someone's RfA on grounds that can only be described as retaliatory for promising to firmly deal with vandals and spammers. This actually followed similar far-too-WP-wise commentary by "new" user Honda Pilot, and looks (until one digs deeper) like spontaneous support for a concern being raised about a potential admin.
Honda Pilot, an account which as existed for less than one day, and who like the rest of them, knows way too much about WP policy and procedures to possibly be an actual new user, is blatantly obviously the same person as Uninsured Driver. I can demonstrate this pretty easily, but do not wish to do so here without further consideration, as simply stating how I know this will reveal the puppeteer's "tell", whereas having him uncertain how he is giving himself away may be valuable in detecting more of his puppets. If I must give that evidence here, I will, but would rather be contacted in e-mail about it, by actual admins active in WP:SSP (i.e., I won't respond to random users' queries about it, since I can't be sure they aren't the puppemaster himself). Actually, anyone paying really close attention to the evidence posted above and below will probably notice the highly unusual quirk/pattern.
The other users mentioned will have to be investigated further by an admin, as this will require examination of talk and history pages which have been deleted. There are probably many others; these are just the ones I've personally enountered.
— SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 01:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC) Updated: 06:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC) reply
New evidence:
From Dgies RFA: "He's willing to have a zero-tolerance attitude. Is he here to block wayward newbies or will he AGF and indefblock only as a last resort? Jeff Defender 21:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)" diff
From Dgies RFA: "...Checking AIV, it's where you report bad users. do you make sure its the final warning and if it is do you indefblock or give a 24 hour block. I am judging based on his tolerance. HP 16:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)" diff
From AN/I: "don't condone initial indefblocks" (edit summary), "This is why I [2] Dgies ( talk · contribs) RFA. The blocks shouldve been for just 1 day. You couldve avoinded these arguements. HP 19:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)" diff; and "...one last chance in leau of indefblock. Honda Pilot 18:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)" diff
From AN/I: "This is why I [3] Dgies ( talk · contribs) RFA. The blocks shouldve been for just 1 day. You couldve avoinded these arguements. HP 19:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC) diff (Note: the passage is intended to read "This is why I opposed Dgies RFA", but the link code is wrong.)
From AFD: "Still, it may cost you support in your RFA. You accused him of disruptive editing, but... NoInsurance ( chat?) 23:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)" diff
Please note also that this is not the first time that Uninsured Driver has inexplicably sought out and found places to defend Jeff Defender from accusations of sockpuppetry, for example here. Notice also at that link how much Uninsured Driver knows about the purpose and even web traffic at the http://www.golden-road.net website (an admin can confirm by looking at the deleted talk page of Golden-Road.net that similar observations were made about the site by Jbl1975, the original or principal author of the article. He/they are "both" obviously connected to that site in some way, as is 148.4.32.14. Note also that after Jeff Defender appeared out of nowhere to contest the deletion of this article, he engaged in more spamming for game-show related websites, as already documented above. Note also at same DRV link that Uninsured Driver sure knows his wikiwonking: "The first one was not edited, so full protecting isn't nessecary. I'd semiprotect, though since all recreations were done by new users" (and note that this was an attempt to get the page un WP:SALTed.)
— SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 04:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC) Updated: 06:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC) reply
More evidence:
Compare the well-hidden User talk:Uninsured Driver/Archive1 (which was at User:Uninsured Driver/Archive1, but I saw it in the user's contribs, and moved it to the proper location; it is still not linked from the active user talk page), with the user talk pages of Jeff Defender and some of the other "users". A remarkably similar pattern of disruptive editing. NB: It is no suprise that the puppetmaster is attempting to change indefblock procedure - it would make disruptive behavior like this by all of this person's puppets easier to get away with, at the cost of only temporary blocks. It takes time to build up a sockpuppet and make it look like a real user, so indefblocks (the chief concern of both Honda Pilot and Jeff Defender, remember) are very painful for sockpuppeteers.
Note also that User talk:Jeff Defender has never once been responded to by Jeff Defender. The account is clearly on auto-pilot with no regard for resolving issues raised, but simply activated by the puppetmaster to go add a !vote here and there when he wants to stack a vote.
Further note that Honda Pilot very unconvincingly fakes innocence and ignorance diff, but note that is is H.P.'s comments inside a refactoring note by an admin, e.g. of WP:ATT/ WP:V requirements that sources be cited, or of what might constitute blocking offenses, but meanwhile is a strong arguer with regard to blocking policy at AN/I and RFA, and even recommends specific block times for offenses! diff1 diff2. Compare this ridiculous "huh? But I'm new here!" act with the comments Jeff Defender has left on people's talk pages, and smiliar implausible noob-acting by more of these "users".
Similarly, Uninsured Driver went immediately to RFA upon being created. Then went dormant for over 8 months, only to reactivate and go straight to RFA again. Regardless who it is a puppet of, it is a blatant puppet. As noted elsewhere, these socks have an obsession with indefinite block policy. Uninsured Driver created the page User talk:Uninsured Driver/humor diff in case this is a redlink now. It is a short (and improperly wikilinked - he forgot "User:" in several cases) list of indefblocked users. Please note that one of them is User:Willy on Wheels (two l's in Willy), a misspelling of a nickname for Wily Mo Peña (one l), and U.D. monkeyed with that article a lot, and moved it improperly to Willy Mo Peña. This strikes me as very strong evidence that this is a list for U.D.'s own amusement of some of his socks that have been blocked (note that they all include contrib links, so he can review the disruption they caused). This in turn suggests that the banned User:Bobabobabo/ User:Willy on Wheels is behind all of this.
— SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 04:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC) Updated: 06:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC) reply
Evidence with regard to the other usernames:
Non-socks: The very last post at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 February 14 explains the sudden appearance of new users like Special:Contributions/148.4.32.14, who showd up to urge reinstatement of Golden-Road.net, then never edited again. It does not explain the other users here, since the offsite cavassing post was posted on February 14 itself (the timeline could explain Jeff Defender, actually, all other things being equal, but they are certainly not. J.D. immediately demonstrated deep knowledge of WP, and attacked a random article under the exact same terms, just incorrectly in his case, that Golden-Road.net was AFDd under as a WP:POINT, demonstrating prior knowledge of the AFD and WP in general, not just the DRV that was canvassed).
— SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 06:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC) reply
Also myself (Wooyi) find this that indicates the Uninsured Driver started editing RFA shortly after the account creation, which indicates he might be a sockpuppet.
Procedural report, I am neutral but leans to believe they are sockpuppets. Wooyi Talk, Editor review 00:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC) reply
I have a strong opinion that these are all socks, and of the same person, or vaguely possibly one or another may be a meatpuppet called up to defend the GoldenRoad.net spam article. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 01:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC) reply
We'll see how the cards fall. Less active guys can be "socked" Jeff Defender 03:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC) reply
Honda Pilot was confirmed as a sock by Checkuser and has accordingly been blocked indefinitely. Other suspected puppets to be investigated normally. Seraphimblade Talk to me 17:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC) reply
(Note): NoInsurance is a legitimately-marked doppelganger and has never edited. Seraphimblade Talk to me 17:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC) reply
Uninsured Driver (
talk ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
page moves ·
block user ·
block log), formerly
Uninsureddriver (
talk ·
contribs), goes by
NoInsurance (
talk ·
contribs) in sig
Initial suspect was Jeff Defender, but evidence has shifted the suspicion toward Uninsured Driver, which may itself be a sockpuppet; the puppeteer may well be as-yet unidentified; checkuser might be needed to resolve the matter.
Jeff Defender (
talk ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
page moves ·
block user ·
block log) (possible puppeteer)
Honda Pilot (
talk ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
page moves ·
block user ·
block log) (goes by HP in link-free sig intended to prevent talk page feedback) —
confirmed as a Jeff Defender sockpuppet via checkuser
Jbl1975 (
talk ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
page moves ·
block user ·
block log) (possible puppeteer)
68.237.229.68 (
talk ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
page moves ·
block user ·
block log)
Karim Prince (
talk ·
contribs ·
deleted contribs ·
page moves ·
block user ·
block log) a.k.a.
Karim Prince1 (
talk ·
contribs)
Wooyi
Talk,
Editor review
00:25, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
reply
SMcCandlish [
talk] [
contrib ツ
01:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
reply
This is a procedural report, due to concerns raised in Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Dgies by User:SMcCandlish. --Wooyi
I've made it quite a bit more than procedural. :-) --SMcCandlish
Evidence from SMcCandlish:
I first encountered this clade of socks when Jeff Defender ( talk · contribs) filed this bad-faith, WP:POINT-violating AfD (compare Honda Pilot's similar b.s. today here, which notably had to do with "Vandalism", a topic in the WP context that Jeff Defender and Honda Pilot know far too much about, such as block times and indefblocking, to be newbies). Jeff Defender is supposed to be a brand new user, but already knows how to (ab)use AfD? Ri-i-ght... This is likely a puppet of 68.237.229.68 ( talk · contribs), and of Karim Prince1 ( talk · contribs), and Jbl1975 ( talk · contribs), among others that an admin could dig out of a deleted talk page. See User talk:Jeff Defender and edit history (not to mention the username...) Jeff got his pet non-notable WP:WEBsite speedied, and rather than try to understand why has lashed out by filing frivolous "oh yeah, well, then delete this too!" nonsense AfDs. The user's history consists of nothing but the following actions, as of that date (and precious little since, other than some fake apologetics, and now adding more suckpuppet !votes in an RfA): getting his vanity article speedied (was defending it in talk under another username, by his own admission of sockpupettry, and clearly is not a newbie and likes to cite obscure WP essays at people in defending his WP:COI article), adding blatant WP:SPAM here, trying to delete the speedy tag under one username or another but got caught by someone who evidently had already identified this person as a sockpuppet (since Jeff Defender's edit history doesn't itself show the speedy tag deletion), and meanwhile attacked a random stub, using the same "vanity" label he lost his wikispam to. Please note that User:Hatch68 had already figured out Jeff Defender was a sock puppet before I even started looking. [1]
Next, the Uninsured Driver puppet attacked my RfA (successfully sabotaging it in fact) with an alarmist report that I was savaging some poor newbie, and then went and gloated about how my outing of the Jeff Defender puppet would harm my RfA, here (as shown below, this is the 2nd not 1st time that U.D. has popped up out of Neverland to defend J.D. from sockpuppet allegations). The Uninsured Driver puppet has done virtually nothing at all on WP other than try to defend Golden-Road.net, oppose username-related policy tightening at RFC, and upset the RfA of the "outer" of the Jeff Defender puppet, and create a NoInsurance ( talk · contribs) doppelganger. Turned into a sleeper on Feb. 20. Contribs, for examination.
Didn't see much going on with these "users" until today, when Jeff Defender reactivated and opposed someone's RfA on grounds that can only be described as retaliatory for promising to firmly deal with vandals and spammers. This actually followed similar far-too-WP-wise commentary by "new" user Honda Pilot, and looks (until one digs deeper) like spontaneous support for a concern being raised about a potential admin.
Honda Pilot, an account which as existed for less than one day, and who like the rest of them, knows way too much about WP policy and procedures to possibly be an actual new user, is blatantly obviously the same person as Uninsured Driver. I can demonstrate this pretty easily, but do not wish to do so here without further consideration, as simply stating how I know this will reveal the puppeteer's "tell", whereas having him uncertain how he is giving himself away may be valuable in detecting more of his puppets. If I must give that evidence here, I will, but would rather be contacted in e-mail about it, by actual admins active in WP:SSP (i.e., I won't respond to random users' queries about it, since I can't be sure they aren't the puppemaster himself). Actually, anyone paying really close attention to the evidence posted above and below will probably notice the highly unusual quirk/pattern.
The other users mentioned will have to be investigated further by an admin, as this will require examination of talk and history pages which have been deleted. There are probably many others; these are just the ones I've personally enountered.
— SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 01:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC) Updated: 06:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC) reply
New evidence:
From Dgies RFA: "He's willing to have a zero-tolerance attitude. Is he here to block wayward newbies or will he AGF and indefblock only as a last resort? Jeff Defender 21:33, 4 April 2007 (UTC)" diff
From Dgies RFA: "...Checking AIV, it's where you report bad users. do you make sure its the final warning and if it is do you indefblock or give a 24 hour block. I am judging based on his tolerance. HP 16:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)" diff
From AN/I: "don't condone initial indefblocks" (edit summary), "This is why I [2] Dgies ( talk · contribs) RFA. The blocks shouldve been for just 1 day. You couldve avoinded these arguements. HP 19:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)" diff; and "...one last chance in leau of indefblock. Honda Pilot 18:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)" diff
From AN/I: "This is why I [3] Dgies ( talk · contribs) RFA. The blocks shouldve been for just 1 day. You couldve avoinded these arguements. HP 19:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC) diff (Note: the passage is intended to read "This is why I opposed Dgies RFA", but the link code is wrong.)
From AFD: "Still, it may cost you support in your RFA. You accused him of disruptive editing, but... NoInsurance ( chat?) 23:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)" diff
Please note also that this is not the first time that Uninsured Driver has inexplicably sought out and found places to defend Jeff Defender from accusations of sockpuppetry, for example here. Notice also at that link how much Uninsured Driver knows about the purpose and even web traffic at the http://www.golden-road.net website (an admin can confirm by looking at the deleted talk page of Golden-Road.net that similar observations were made about the site by Jbl1975, the original or principal author of the article. He/they are "both" obviously connected to that site in some way, as is 148.4.32.14. Note also that after Jeff Defender appeared out of nowhere to contest the deletion of this article, he engaged in more spamming for game-show related websites, as already documented above. Note also at same DRV link that Uninsured Driver sure knows his wikiwonking: "The first one was not edited, so full protecting isn't nessecary. I'd semiprotect, though since all recreations were done by new users" (and note that this was an attempt to get the page un WP:SALTed.)
— SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 04:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC) Updated: 06:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC) reply
More evidence:
Compare the well-hidden User talk:Uninsured Driver/Archive1 (which was at User:Uninsured Driver/Archive1, but I saw it in the user's contribs, and moved it to the proper location; it is still not linked from the active user talk page), with the user talk pages of Jeff Defender and some of the other "users". A remarkably similar pattern of disruptive editing. NB: It is no suprise that the puppetmaster is attempting to change indefblock procedure - it would make disruptive behavior like this by all of this person's puppets easier to get away with, at the cost of only temporary blocks. It takes time to build up a sockpuppet and make it look like a real user, so indefblocks (the chief concern of both Honda Pilot and Jeff Defender, remember) are very painful for sockpuppeteers.
Note also that User talk:Jeff Defender has never once been responded to by Jeff Defender. The account is clearly on auto-pilot with no regard for resolving issues raised, but simply activated by the puppetmaster to go add a !vote here and there when he wants to stack a vote.
Further note that Honda Pilot very unconvincingly fakes innocence and ignorance diff, but note that is is H.P.'s comments inside a refactoring note by an admin, e.g. of WP:ATT/ WP:V requirements that sources be cited, or of what might constitute blocking offenses, but meanwhile is a strong arguer with regard to blocking policy at AN/I and RFA, and even recommends specific block times for offenses! diff1 diff2. Compare this ridiculous "huh? But I'm new here!" act with the comments Jeff Defender has left on people's talk pages, and smiliar implausible noob-acting by more of these "users".
Similarly, Uninsured Driver went immediately to RFA upon being created. Then went dormant for over 8 months, only to reactivate and go straight to RFA again. Regardless who it is a puppet of, it is a blatant puppet. As noted elsewhere, these socks have an obsession with indefinite block policy. Uninsured Driver created the page User talk:Uninsured Driver/humor diff in case this is a redlink now. It is a short (and improperly wikilinked - he forgot "User:" in several cases) list of indefblocked users. Please note that one of them is User:Willy on Wheels (two l's in Willy), a misspelling of a nickname for Wily Mo Peña (one l), and U.D. monkeyed with that article a lot, and moved it improperly to Willy Mo Peña. This strikes me as very strong evidence that this is a list for U.D.'s own amusement of some of his socks that have been blocked (note that they all include contrib links, so he can review the disruption they caused). This in turn suggests that the banned User:Bobabobabo/ User:Willy on Wheels is behind all of this.
— SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 04:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC) Updated: 06:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC) reply
Evidence with regard to the other usernames:
Non-socks: The very last post at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 February 14 explains the sudden appearance of new users like Special:Contributions/148.4.32.14, who showd up to urge reinstatement of Golden-Road.net, then never edited again. It does not explain the other users here, since the offsite cavassing post was posted on February 14 itself (the timeline could explain Jeff Defender, actually, all other things being equal, but they are certainly not. J.D. immediately demonstrated deep knowledge of WP, and attacked a random article under the exact same terms, just incorrectly in his case, that Golden-Road.net was AFDd under as a WP:POINT, demonstrating prior knowledge of the AFD and WP in general, not just the DRV that was canvassed).
— SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 06:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC) reply
Also myself (Wooyi) find this that indicates the Uninsured Driver started editing RFA shortly after the account creation, which indicates he might be a sockpuppet.
Procedural report, I am neutral but leans to believe they are sockpuppets. Wooyi Talk, Editor review 00:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC) reply
I have a strong opinion that these are all socks, and of the same person, or vaguely possibly one or another may be a meatpuppet called up to defend the GoldenRoad.net spam article. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 01:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC) reply
We'll see how the cards fall. Less active guys can be "socked" Jeff Defender 03:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC) reply
Honda Pilot was confirmed as a sock by Checkuser and has accordingly been blocked indefinitely. Other suspected puppets to be investigated normally. Seraphimblade Talk to me 17:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC) reply
(Note): NoInsurance is a legitimately-marked doppelganger and has never edited. Seraphimblade Talk to me 17:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC) reply