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Domer48 'fenian' 17:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC) reply
Self confessed former Ulster Defence Regiment member GDD1000 with a major conflict of interest first started causing major disruption on the Wikipedia article on his former regiment in April, such as attempting to remove negative information despite it being sourced by government reports. His first edits were as an IP, such as this at 15:39, 10 April 2008 and this at 15:41, 10 April 2008. The GDD1000 account was then created at 16:06, 10 April 2008 and proceeded to carry on editing in the same vein, for example this edit at 16:11, 10 April 2008. After causing large amounts of disruption with his POV pushing, use of unreliable sources, additions of vast amounts of copyright violations to articles and so on, GDD1000 stop editing in late May, see his talk page, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement/Archive21#GDD1000, and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement/Archive22#The Northern Ireland Troubles for further details.
Recently GDD1000 has been violating WP:SOCK by editing from the same IP address as in April, and continuing to add disupted information and very likely copyright violations which are currently being investigated, while not mentioning his account, see for example here and here. After various edits from the IP on July 29 the account of The Thunderer was created at 15:58, 29 July 2008, and carried on editing the UDR article in the same way.
When an editor has a long history of disruption, gross POV editing, edit warring and copyright violations, it should not be permitted for them to try and get a clean start under a new name, and deceive other editors by editing the same article pretending to be a brand new editor.
And now we have edits like this which are a mockery of an encyclopedia, but I won't revert as yet because the whole article needs gutting of the crap that has been added over the last day or so so I'll do it when I have more time. This IP previously made this talk page edit and is clearly GDD1000 since he was the only person in dispute with myself and BigDunc at the time of the post. So we now have two different IPs and one account editing during the space of one day from this suspected abuser of sockpuppets, and behaviour such as this post-ArbCom has resulted in severe sanctions due to the correct zero tolerance approach to abusive sockpuppeteers.
Summary of evidence:
You haven't actually demonstrated any "large amounts of disruption with his POV pushing, use of unreliable sources, additions of vast amounts of copyright violations to articles and so on". You have simply asserted that it is so, and given one or two examples of policy breeches in the early edit history of the GD1000 account. There are similarities in the edit histories of these editors, but no firm evidence, only speculation, that this is the same individual. There also seems to be no policy breeches by the IP and second registered account, and therefore no reason to file this report. Unless there is evidence to substantiate the claim of "large amounts of disruption with his POV pushing, use of unreliable sources, additions of vast amounts of copyright violations to articles and so on". There is no Prima facie case to answer. Traditional unionist ( talk) 18:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC) reply
Checkuser would not be a breach of privacy, as accounts can be checked. Who said anything about the IP? Rather than come clean, the suspected socks have gone into denial, so assuming I'm right the deception is clear for everyone to see. Domer48 'fenian' 18:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC) reply
Unless the IP is being confirmed as the same editor by checkuser there is no breach of the privacy policy. We don't need a checkuser to compare the IP to GDD1000, it's obvious from the edits from April it is him. Domer48 'fenian' 18:50, 29 July 2008 (UTC) reply
While this may occasionally be legitimate (see below under legitimate uses), it is a violation of this policy to create alternative accounts in order to confuse or deceive editors who may have a legitimate interest in reviewing your contributions". Domer48 'fenian' 19:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC) reply
Summary of Traditional unionist's position: If this account is a new incarnation of the old, there is nothing in policy to prevent this. Indeed policy states: "Clean start under a new name If you have a negative track record and you have decided to make a genuine, clean, and honest, new start, and do not wish it to be tarnished by your prior conduct, you can simply discontinue using the old account(s), and create an unconnected new account which becomes the only account you then use, and is used in a good manner. Discontinuing the old account means specifically that the old account is not used for editing ever again. If the old account is later used in addition to a new account after supposedly being discontinued, then it has not been discontinued and would fall under the policy for alternative accounts, above. When an account is discontinued, it is recommended that the old account be noted on its user page as being inactive, in order to prevent the switch being interpreted as an attempt to abusively sock puppet." With Domer's already noted incivility and border line harassment of GDD1000 there is no reason to follow up this report, indeed doing so would be a breech of policy in my opinion. Domer's general behaviour on WP is something which must be looked at, with this report being another worrying development. I'm not the most impartial editor in the world, and I tend to lose my head in a dispute and edit warring results, but this level of incivility is far more damaging to the project, and I hope that others can see this. Traditional unionist ( talk) 18:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC) reply
This editor is abusing sockpuppets to carry on biased POV editing and adding copyright violations with several brand new accounts, after doing it before and getting himself in hot water. There is a zero tolerance approach to such behaviour in articles related to the Troubles, as any editor who had been here more than a month would realise. Also sockpuppetry has been denied by the accounts, when it is obvious. Domer48 'fenian' 21:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC) reply
The use of three socks is in itself abusive, especially when denying it. The outcome of Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Kittybrewster may be of interest to you TU. Domer48 'fenian' 23:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC) reply
Discussion with your ilk is futile. At a loss as to how to defend your fellow traveller, you have continuously resorted to personal attacks. As a self confessed Ulster Unionist, your defence of the self confessed member of UDR is not surprising, despite the overwhelming evidence. Though this collusion was once common it is satisfying to note that both of these groups are now but a distant memory. I therefore do not feel the need to respond to your personal attacks, and I’m more than happy to leave it to the Admin’s. Were reasonable discussion has failed, I see no positive outcome from feeding you anymore. -- Domer48 'fenian' 07:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC) reply
Perhaps a mini-timeline will help here:
So you're got repeated swapping between IPs and the account while denying sockpuppetry, while still having an unused account with a long record of disruption. That is not covered by WP:SOCK, it's a classic case of avoiding scrutiny. Also I will not stand for the bully boy tactics being used here by TU, constant unfounded accusations of tag teams and no assumption of good faith among his campaign of harrasment. BigDunc Talk 16:13, 31 July 2008 (UTC) reply
No clear-cut evidence of abuse. Sorry. Enigma message 16:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia does not require anyone to log in using an account name to make edits. Anyone who does have an account isn't obliged to use it and may continue to make edits from any number of IP addresses which may or may not be registered to an ISP belonging to that user, (Internet cafes, hotel or airport facilities etc). Provided these edits are not being used to disrupt Wikipedia or to manipulate the outcome of a discussion or vote they do not constitute abuse of Wikipedia. I note that the account GDD1000 has not been used since 27/5/08. My contributions did not commence until 29/7/08. Whether I chose to make edits or other posts using IP addresses is of no concern to anyone. Should I choose in the future to make edits using IP addresses, whether those be real or disguised (using a proxy) is likewise of no concern to anyone, provided those posts are made in good faith.
Perhaps interested parties may care to examine MV_Princess_Victoria, another article I have edited. I'm sure there's some mischief or harm can be done there by criticising the sources, the copyright on the pictures, the point of view or whatever. In the absence of the tag team being unable to cause edit warring at the Ulster Defence Regiment page I'm sure they can have fun tearing another page to pieces. Perhaps they can find good reason to remove a lot of things and leave the page as bare and uninteresting as it was before I edited it. The Thunderer ( talk) 19:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC) reply
Okay, checkuser shows no evidence of abusive sock-puppetry having taking place here. There is nobody here abusing multiple accounts. Seriously. What I'd like to see right now is that everyone please stand down and leave everyone else alone. We've an encyclopedia to write here and this hounding of editors is not helping matters. And Thunderer, terms like "rabid Irish bigot" are not constructive in any way whatsoever, so please don't do that.
I'm recommending this SSP case be closed - Alison ❤ 18:36, 4 August 2008 (UTC) reply
More harrassment. The Thunderer ( talk) 20:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC) reply
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Domer48 'fenian' 17:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC) reply
Self confessed former Ulster Defence Regiment member GDD1000 with a major conflict of interest first started causing major disruption on the Wikipedia article on his former regiment in April, such as attempting to remove negative information despite it being sourced by government reports. His first edits were as an IP, such as this at 15:39, 10 April 2008 and this at 15:41, 10 April 2008. The GDD1000 account was then created at 16:06, 10 April 2008 and proceeded to carry on editing in the same vein, for example this edit at 16:11, 10 April 2008. After causing large amounts of disruption with his POV pushing, use of unreliable sources, additions of vast amounts of copyright violations to articles and so on, GDD1000 stop editing in late May, see his talk page, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement/Archive21#GDD1000, and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement/Archive22#The Northern Ireland Troubles for further details.
Recently GDD1000 has been violating WP:SOCK by editing from the same IP address as in April, and continuing to add disupted information and very likely copyright violations which are currently being investigated, while not mentioning his account, see for example here and here. After various edits from the IP on July 29 the account of The Thunderer was created at 15:58, 29 July 2008, and carried on editing the UDR article in the same way.
When an editor has a long history of disruption, gross POV editing, edit warring and copyright violations, it should not be permitted for them to try and get a clean start under a new name, and deceive other editors by editing the same article pretending to be a brand new editor.
And now we have edits like this which are a mockery of an encyclopedia, but I won't revert as yet because the whole article needs gutting of the crap that has been added over the last day or so so I'll do it when I have more time. This IP previously made this talk page edit and is clearly GDD1000 since he was the only person in dispute with myself and BigDunc at the time of the post. So we now have two different IPs and one account editing during the space of one day from this suspected abuser of sockpuppets, and behaviour such as this post-ArbCom has resulted in severe sanctions due to the correct zero tolerance approach to abusive sockpuppeteers.
Summary of evidence:
You haven't actually demonstrated any "large amounts of disruption with his POV pushing, use of unreliable sources, additions of vast amounts of copyright violations to articles and so on". You have simply asserted that it is so, and given one or two examples of policy breeches in the early edit history of the GD1000 account. There are similarities in the edit histories of these editors, but no firm evidence, only speculation, that this is the same individual. There also seems to be no policy breeches by the IP and second registered account, and therefore no reason to file this report. Unless there is evidence to substantiate the claim of "large amounts of disruption with his POV pushing, use of unreliable sources, additions of vast amounts of copyright violations to articles and so on". There is no Prima facie case to answer. Traditional unionist ( talk) 18:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC) reply
Checkuser would not be a breach of privacy, as accounts can be checked. Who said anything about the IP? Rather than come clean, the suspected socks have gone into denial, so assuming I'm right the deception is clear for everyone to see. Domer48 'fenian' 18:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC) reply
Unless the IP is being confirmed as the same editor by checkuser there is no breach of the privacy policy. We don't need a checkuser to compare the IP to GDD1000, it's obvious from the edits from April it is him. Domer48 'fenian' 18:50, 29 July 2008 (UTC) reply
While this may occasionally be legitimate (see below under legitimate uses), it is a violation of this policy to create alternative accounts in order to confuse or deceive editors who may have a legitimate interest in reviewing your contributions". Domer48 'fenian' 19:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC) reply
Summary of Traditional unionist's position: If this account is a new incarnation of the old, there is nothing in policy to prevent this. Indeed policy states: "Clean start under a new name If you have a negative track record and you have decided to make a genuine, clean, and honest, new start, and do not wish it to be tarnished by your prior conduct, you can simply discontinue using the old account(s), and create an unconnected new account which becomes the only account you then use, and is used in a good manner. Discontinuing the old account means specifically that the old account is not used for editing ever again. If the old account is later used in addition to a new account after supposedly being discontinued, then it has not been discontinued and would fall under the policy for alternative accounts, above. When an account is discontinued, it is recommended that the old account be noted on its user page as being inactive, in order to prevent the switch being interpreted as an attempt to abusively sock puppet." With Domer's already noted incivility and border line harassment of GDD1000 there is no reason to follow up this report, indeed doing so would be a breech of policy in my opinion. Domer's general behaviour on WP is something which must be looked at, with this report being another worrying development. I'm not the most impartial editor in the world, and I tend to lose my head in a dispute and edit warring results, but this level of incivility is far more damaging to the project, and I hope that others can see this. Traditional unionist ( talk) 18:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC) reply
This editor is abusing sockpuppets to carry on biased POV editing and adding copyright violations with several brand new accounts, after doing it before and getting himself in hot water. There is a zero tolerance approach to such behaviour in articles related to the Troubles, as any editor who had been here more than a month would realise. Also sockpuppetry has been denied by the accounts, when it is obvious. Domer48 'fenian' 21:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC) reply
The use of three socks is in itself abusive, especially when denying it. The outcome of Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Kittybrewster may be of interest to you TU. Domer48 'fenian' 23:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC) reply
Discussion with your ilk is futile. At a loss as to how to defend your fellow traveller, you have continuously resorted to personal attacks. As a self confessed Ulster Unionist, your defence of the self confessed member of UDR is not surprising, despite the overwhelming evidence. Though this collusion was once common it is satisfying to note that both of these groups are now but a distant memory. I therefore do not feel the need to respond to your personal attacks, and I’m more than happy to leave it to the Admin’s. Were reasonable discussion has failed, I see no positive outcome from feeding you anymore. -- Domer48 'fenian' 07:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC) reply
Perhaps a mini-timeline will help here:
So you're got repeated swapping between IPs and the account while denying sockpuppetry, while still having an unused account with a long record of disruption. That is not covered by WP:SOCK, it's a classic case of avoiding scrutiny. Also I will not stand for the bully boy tactics being used here by TU, constant unfounded accusations of tag teams and no assumption of good faith among his campaign of harrasment. BigDunc Talk 16:13, 31 July 2008 (UTC) reply
No clear-cut evidence of abuse. Sorry. Enigma message 16:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC) reply
Wikipedia does not require anyone to log in using an account name to make edits. Anyone who does have an account isn't obliged to use it and may continue to make edits from any number of IP addresses which may or may not be registered to an ISP belonging to that user, (Internet cafes, hotel or airport facilities etc). Provided these edits are not being used to disrupt Wikipedia or to manipulate the outcome of a discussion or vote they do not constitute abuse of Wikipedia. I note that the account GDD1000 has not been used since 27/5/08. My contributions did not commence until 29/7/08. Whether I chose to make edits or other posts using IP addresses is of no concern to anyone. Should I choose in the future to make edits using IP addresses, whether those be real or disguised (using a proxy) is likewise of no concern to anyone, provided those posts are made in good faith.
Perhaps interested parties may care to examine MV_Princess_Victoria, another article I have edited. I'm sure there's some mischief or harm can be done there by criticising the sources, the copyright on the pictures, the point of view or whatever. In the absence of the tag team being unable to cause edit warring at the Ulster Defence Regiment page I'm sure they can have fun tearing another page to pieces. Perhaps they can find good reason to remove a lot of things and leave the page as bare and uninteresting as it was before I edited it. The Thunderer ( talk) 19:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC) reply
Okay, checkuser shows no evidence of abusive sock-puppetry having taking place here. There is nobody here abusing multiple accounts. Seriously. What I'd like to see right now is that everyone please stand down and leave everyone else alone. We've an encyclopedia to write here and this hounding of editors is not helping matters. And Thunderer, terms like "rabid Irish bigot" are not constructive in any way whatsoever, so please don't do that.
I'm recommending this SSP case be closed - Alison ❤ 18:36, 4 August 2008 (UTC) reply
More harrassment. The Thunderer ( talk) 20:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC) reply