The newly created User:Gise-354x account seems to be a SPA dedicated to editing Climatic Research Unit email controversy. I warned this account about possible violations of 1RR sanctions and 3RR rules in that article, which were so egrerious that I will only diff a small representative example, [1] [2] [3] [4] and User:Yopienso attacked me for it. User:Yopienso has repeatedly launched personal attacks and made WP:OWN comments due to my recent involvenment (rather than "long time" involvement), but what raised my spidey sense is that in contrast to the rather obnoxious treatment of me, s/he seems to welcome this new user and ever congratulate the new user on the 1RR and 3RR, denying it happened. Further investigation finds a commonality of edits, and more talk page banter, typical of multiple-browser-talking-to-your-self amateur hour socks. As I will probably be forced to seek further DR, I want to make sure this is in good faith, and that there is not socking involved. Cerejota ( talk) 22:35, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
[5] Shows that there is commonality of edits. The suspicion starts here: In talk, Yopienso disaggres with an edit, but cant do anything about it because of 1RR, Here is the edit I did(the previous edit too). Gise, already well beyond 3RR in a 1RR article, does this [6], in accordance to Yopienso's position. Then in talk we get this interesting exchange [7], of Yopienso praising Gise. Then I warn Gise (instead of going to a noticeboard) of the 1RR/3RR issue, and this defense of gise ensues: [8]. Even tho the 1RR had happened. This shows the possibility that Yopienso is the puppetmaster of a sock intended to circumvent 1RR. This is only after in a 1RR article significant edits and reversions were made by Gise and one by Yopienso This reinforces the clear motive for puppetry, which is to avoid 1RR block to the puppetmaster account.
Even after clear 1RR and 3RR warnings, Yopienso doesn't see it, but acts like its not a sock: [9]. It is typical of puppetmasters that interact with their sock to do so in a "correcting" fashion in order to poison the well.
Puppet-like behavior:
I can provide more diffs of the specific conversation threads, but the diffs provided are in the approximate timeframe as any relevant ones, so hitting "next" or "previous" might be better.-- Cerejota ( talk) 03:28, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
Yopienso is a user in good standing. I would like to see some actual evidence connecting the two accounts. I agree that there is something strange going on here with the new SPA which might merit a check, but I don't see a relationship between the two acounts. I could be wrong, of course. Viriditas ( talk) 13:18, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
I am not fishing, the change of heart for Yopienso regarding Gise-354x coincides with this SPI, and so does Gise-354x going off to other articles. It smells like a sacrificial sock geared towards destroying the purpose of 1RR at "CRU email controversy". If I am wrong, I will apologize, but we should get to the bottom of this, because the edit compare report is damming and the evidence is compelling enough in my view. Perhaps Yopienso would learn to be less quick to accept a disruptive user who did indeed 1RR and 3RR, instead of congratulating them in spite of the overwhelming evidence. As I mentioned, as I felt that DR might be needed, it helps the AGF process to know someone is not a sock. It is simply impossible to AGF when significant suspicion of puppetry exists, as puppetry is the very definition of bad faith. --
Cerejota (
talk)
02:35, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
CLERK, PLEASE DO NOT CLOSE UNTIL I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RESPOND. I WANT THIS SETTLED THAT GISE IS NOT MY SOCK. Thank you.
Yopienso (
talk)
04:40, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
The newly created User:Gise-354x account seems to be a SPA dedicated to editing Climatic Research Unit email controversy. I warned this account about possible violations of 1RR sanctions and 3RR rules in that article, which were so egrerious that I will only diff a small representative example, [1] [2] [3] [4] and User:Yopienso attacked me for it. User:Yopienso has repeatedly launched personal attacks and made WP:OWN comments due to my recent involvenment (rather than "long time" involvement), but what raised my spidey sense is that in contrast to the rather obnoxious treatment of me, s/he seems to welcome this new user and ever congratulate the new user on the 1RR and 3RR, denying it happened. Further investigation finds a commonality of edits, and more talk page banter, typical of multiple-browser-talking-to-your-self amateur hour socks. As I will probably be forced to seek further DR, I want to make sure this is in good faith, and that there is not socking involved. Cerejota ( talk) 22:35, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
[5] Shows that there is commonality of edits. The suspicion starts here: In talk, Yopienso disaggres with an edit, but cant do anything about it because of 1RR, Here is the edit I did(the previous edit too). Gise, already well beyond 3RR in a 1RR article, does this [6], in accordance to Yopienso's position. Then in talk we get this interesting exchange [7], of Yopienso praising Gise. Then I warn Gise (instead of going to a noticeboard) of the 1RR/3RR issue, and this defense of gise ensues: [8]. Even tho the 1RR had happened. This shows the possibility that Yopienso is the puppetmaster of a sock intended to circumvent 1RR. This is only after in a 1RR article significant edits and reversions were made by Gise and one by Yopienso This reinforces the clear motive for puppetry, which is to avoid 1RR block to the puppetmaster account.
Even after clear 1RR and 3RR warnings, Yopienso doesn't see it, but acts like its not a sock: [9]. It is typical of puppetmasters that interact with their sock to do so in a "correcting" fashion in order to poison the well.
Puppet-like behavior:
I can provide more diffs of the specific conversation threads, but the diffs provided are in the approximate timeframe as any relevant ones, so hitting "next" or "previous" might be better.-- Cerejota ( talk) 03:28, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
Yopienso is a user in good standing. I would like to see some actual evidence connecting the two accounts. I agree that there is something strange going on here with the new SPA which might merit a check, but I don't see a relationship between the two acounts. I could be wrong, of course. Viriditas ( talk) 13:18, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
I am not fishing, the change of heart for Yopienso regarding Gise-354x coincides with this SPI, and so does Gise-354x going off to other articles. It smells like a sacrificial sock geared towards destroying the purpose of 1RR at "CRU email controversy". If I am wrong, I will apologize, but we should get to the bottom of this, because the edit compare report is damming and the evidence is compelling enough in my view. Perhaps Yopienso would learn to be less quick to accept a disruptive user who did indeed 1RR and 3RR, instead of congratulating them in spite of the overwhelming evidence. As I mentioned, as I felt that DR might be needed, it helps the AGF process to know someone is not a sock. It is simply impossible to AGF when significant suspicion of puppetry exists, as puppetry is the very definition of bad faith. --
Cerejota (
talk)
02:35, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
CLERK, PLEASE DO NOT CLOSE UNTIL I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RESPOND. I WANT THIS SETTLED THAT GISE IS NOT MY SOCK. Thank you.
Yopienso (
talk)
04:40, 20 August 2011 (UTC)