[1] [2] [3] [4] WP:DUCK, same editing to the same articles. Also, both accounts have been blocked indefinitely as sockpuppets on Greek wiki. Sro23 ( talk) 19:08, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
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Restoring material that had been previously added by socks to Greek Super Cup. [7] [8] WP:DUCK Sro23 ( talk) 23:21, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
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Blocked and tagged.
NinjaRobotPirate (
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21:48, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Per a report on Bishonen's talk page by Cinadon36, these are all a common user (or group of related users) coming over here from being blocked on the Greek Wikipedia, disruptively editing various Greek football articles. A particular hallmark is obsession with writing that various stadiums are located in Piraeus, removing citations that place them in Athens, e.g. [9], [10], [11], [12], as well as calling reverts of their disruptive edits "vandalism". Requesting CU for confirmation and for completeness as I keep seeing more accounts the more I look at this. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 19:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
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Jjik43 ( talk) 19:22, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
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Clerk assistance requested: Please move to
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Vrahomarinaner.--
Bbb23 (
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21:23, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
The same /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive , former ip range of vrahomarinaner /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/94.66.56.0/24 Jjik43 ( talk) 15:02, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
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/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive , former ip range /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/94.66.56.0/24 he have new ip range now Jjik43 ( talk) 16:06, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
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@ Floquenbeam: This is the "English" version of a cross-wiki disruptive activity. Actually, it is to a great extend spamming disguised sometimes as "content dispute". Maybe for those of you unfamiliar to certain "things in Greece" it is difficult to follow. If you have time, review the following: (a) Archived Eurobasket 1987 case in Requests for page protection (archive#13 September 2019); (b) Case Piraeus trolling, pt.2 in Current requests (closed but not archived yet, so, the link will soon change); (c) This discussion in my talk page. If you have more questions, I will be glad to try answeing them. Regards. —— Chalk19 ( talk) 16:49, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
I have never accused user Jjik43 as anybody's sockWell, I have. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jjik43. -- MelanieN ( talk) 17:15, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
P.S. The back story here is complicated. Here is a good summary, if needed, from Ah3kal, a Greek editor who is also a global sysop. -- MelanieN ( talk) 18:12, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
P.S. You can’t tell the players without a program. As I understand it, socks of Vrahomarinarer are the ones who want the articles to say “Piraeus”. That is also what the IPs reported here favor. The other side, including the reporting user Jjik43, want the articles to say “Athens”. There may be registered users in good faith on one side or the other who are not socks of anyone, so a DUCK test should probably not be relied on by itself. -- MelanieN ( talk) 20:33, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
The same /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive , former ip range of vrahomarinaner /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/94.66.56.0/24 Jjik43 ( talk) 21:18, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
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The same /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive , former ip range of vrahomarinaner /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/94.66.56.0/24 Jjik43 ( talk) 21:52, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
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/info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/94.66.56.0/24 , /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive 2A02:587:4405:AA27:9939:4696:8882:E71B ( talk) 22:34, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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Confirmed, blocked and tagged. @
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Bbb23 (
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22:54, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive , /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/94.66.56.0/24 2A02:587:4400:F29F:C8AB:A19C:51F7:2A1D ( talk) 10:46, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
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See below. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 13:06, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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This user has some kind of obsession with certain issues, such as Athens. The page Olympiacos F.C. is temporarily semi-protected because the user, using dozens of different IPs, had been persistently deleting what he thought was wrong, something that resulted in edit-wars. See [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19]. He obviously decided to do this as an IP user when one more of his multiple accounts, User:Κοκκινιώτης, was blocked, because in the same page he had exactly the same disruptive edits: [20], [21]. As soon as the page got protected, he performed in the same way using his account User:Αντιγονος, see [22]. The problem with him is that he is constantly making new accounts and uses so many IPs, editing always in the same way. He has done so in the page of Athens as well (see [23], [24], [25]) and he has contacted me (as an IP user) sending an insulting and arrogant message about the above issues in my talk page. Sthenel ( talk) 15:22, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
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Similar editing patterns of a user User:Vrahomarinaner who has been blocked indefinitely from Greek and English Wikipedia. His obsession with Olympiakos and related articles to Greek football is quite suspicious - all those accounts are new and focused on Olympiacos. I have strong suspicion that they are interconnected, based on their contributions [1] [2] [3]. The username Xitler is written in Greeklish and refers to Hitler btw. Glucken123 ( talk) 15:11, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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/info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/%CE%93%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%AD%CE%BC%CF%80%CE%BB%CE%B5%CF%8A, /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/Battase, /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/2A02:587:800C:D500:A556:C9EF:2521:E852, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Olympiacos_CFP_(men%27s_water_polo)&diff=prev&oldid=940117360, /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive, the same obsessions 2A02:587:4406:72E4:8955:9EAF:C9AC:5E53 ( talk) the same obsessions 2A02:587:4406:72E4:FC0E:7B6A:A48D:4E1E ( talk) 14:31, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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As previously mentioned, some of the accounts in this check are real users, unrelated to Vrahomarinaner. This request is an act of trolling that should be removed. After all, it was submitted by an anonymous IP. Glucken123 ( talk) 16:40, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
A brief review, as far as it concerns me (and apparently user Οσελότος, too):
A laughable claim that I am a "100% puppet" of Vrahomarinaner, by a well-known (the so-called "anti-Piraeus") cross-wiki troll and sockmaster, indef. blocked in en/WP and el/WP. Of course, I don't mind running a CU, no matter how ridiculous and trollish is the accusation against myself. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 ( talk) 07:34, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Chalk 19 is a systematic liar is not the first time. 1st I didn't accused him to be 100% vrahonarinaner puppet [26] , 2nd never accused a user as a vrahomarinaner puppet, 3rd this user attack to anyone who are against vrahomarinaner as he did to αλαν13 account and a lot of others. In greek wikipedia they let vrahomarinaner to create alot of accounts in daily base and chalk19 attack to anyone who be against it and blames them with paranoic things systematically. Sorry for my bad english -- 2A02:2149:88E1:A000:64B6:C0F9:C4D8:9A83 ( talk) 13:04, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Please note that whithout any doubt all the above IPs belong to the cross-wiki troll Trefoil13 / Jjik43, blocked infed. in several WPs. Trefoil13 has been blocked indef. in en/WP: "Reason: Clearly not here to contribute to the encyclopedia: Abusing multiple accounts", and de/WP: "Reason: Sperrumgehung, keine Besserung erkennbar" (Block evasion, no improvement) [27]. Jjik43 has been blocked indef. in en/WP: "Reason: Sock puppetry confirmed - SPI case Trefoil13", and in el/WP: "Reason: Κατάχρηση πολλαπλών λογαριασμών" (Sock puppetry) [28]. The troll's IPs must be locked for good, if possible. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 ( talk) 16:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Ckalk19 have a strong obsession about Piraeus exactly as vrahinarinaner have. Any contribute to a article related with even improve it called it Anti-Piraeus campaign and attack to the user. This is a paranoic thing. And of course nothing to do with olympiakos as the sports articles which users usually revert the vandalisms of this users Vrahomarinaner etc is panathinaikos or other team articles, or competitions. This user attack anyone with personal attacks and call it troll, have a agenda [29] or be a puppet [30].-- 2A02:587:4417:E381:E467:F01:79A8:A1C5 ( talk) 02:09, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Ckalk19 attack to anyone whom disagree with him or turn against vrahomarinaner vandalisms, this is his permanent tactics, please a clerk to run a CU Between jjik43 and Αλαν13 to proof another slander of Chalk19 to a wikipedia user-- 2A02:587:4417:E381:DCE:C3A0:1A49:6A5D ( talk) 09:01, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
This whole section and request are both ridiculous acts of trolling, posted by an "anonymous" user, who has been previously banned from Wikipedia, and keeps chasing other users in retaliation. Chalk19's suspicions seem to be valid, as the wording and poor use of English language are strong indicators, pointing towards a well-known disgraced user. Even if I am wrong about their identity, please proceed with completing the user check as it will prove my original claims and justify my previous attempt to erase this request - that Chalk19 is completely unrelated to any sockpuppeting activities on Wikipedia. In regards to any anonymised approaches on this section, I find it extremely problematic that anyone can simply come in and submit their trolling requests by hiding their identity. This should be halted in the future to protect users like Chalk19 and create a more safe environment for the ones who have been contributing to Wikipedia for so many years. Any questions, please direct them to el WP as well. Glucken123 ( talk) 10:49, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_Greek_Cup_finals&action=history, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Greek_Football_Cup&dir=prev&offset=20200912200130%7C978083431&action=history, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_unbeaten_football_club_seasons&action=history pro olympaikos and piraeus obsessions and disruptive editing. 94.66.221.9 ( talk) 20:48, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
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Classic Vrahomarinaner behavior, disruptive edits by multiple accounts and ip's in the same articles like this https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_unbeaten_football_club_seasons&action=history 2 accounts and two ip's only in one article -- 85.74.45.215 ( talk) 23:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
[1] [2] [3] [4] WP:DUCK, same editing to the same articles. Also, both accounts have been blocked indefinitely as sockpuppets on Greek wiki. Sro23 ( talk) 19:08, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
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Restoring material that had been previously added by socks to Greek Super Cup. [7] [8] WP:DUCK Sro23 ( talk) 23:21, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
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Blocked and tagged.
NinjaRobotPirate (
talk)
21:48, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Per a report on Bishonen's talk page by Cinadon36, these are all a common user (or group of related users) coming over here from being blocked on the Greek Wikipedia, disruptively editing various Greek football articles. A particular hallmark is obsession with writing that various stadiums are located in Piraeus, removing citations that place them in Athens, e.g. [9], [10], [11], [12], as well as calling reverts of their disruptive edits "vandalism". Requesting CU for confirmation and for completeness as I keep seeing more accounts the more I look at this. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 19:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
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Jjik43 ( talk) 19:22, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
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Clerk assistance requested: Please move to
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Vrahomarinaner.--
Bbb23 (
talk)
21:23, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
The same /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive , former ip range of vrahomarinaner /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/94.66.56.0/24 Jjik43 ( talk) 15:02, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
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/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive , former ip range /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/94.66.56.0/24 he have new ip range now Jjik43 ( talk) 16:06, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
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@ Floquenbeam: This is the "English" version of a cross-wiki disruptive activity. Actually, it is to a great extend spamming disguised sometimes as "content dispute". Maybe for those of you unfamiliar to certain "things in Greece" it is difficult to follow. If you have time, review the following: (a) Archived Eurobasket 1987 case in Requests for page protection (archive#13 September 2019); (b) Case Piraeus trolling, pt.2 in Current requests (closed but not archived yet, so, the link will soon change); (c) This discussion in my talk page. If you have more questions, I will be glad to try answeing them. Regards. —— Chalk19 ( talk) 16:49, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
I have never accused user Jjik43 as anybody's sockWell, I have. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jjik43. -- MelanieN ( talk) 17:15, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
P.S. The back story here is complicated. Here is a good summary, if needed, from Ah3kal, a Greek editor who is also a global sysop. -- MelanieN ( talk) 18:12, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
P.S. You can’t tell the players without a program. As I understand it, socks of Vrahomarinarer are the ones who want the articles to say “Piraeus”. That is also what the IPs reported here favor. The other side, including the reporting user Jjik43, want the articles to say “Athens”. There may be registered users in good faith on one side or the other who are not socks of anyone, so a DUCK test should probably not be relied on by itself. -- MelanieN ( talk) 20:33, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
The same /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive , former ip range of vrahomarinaner /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/94.66.56.0/24 Jjik43 ( talk) 21:18, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
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The same /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive , former ip range of vrahomarinaner /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/94.66.56.0/24 Jjik43 ( talk) 21:52, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
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Confirmed, blocked and tagged. @
Ajraddatz: Please globally lock.--
Bbb23 (
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22:54, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive , /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/94.66.56.0/24 2A02:587:4400:F29F:C8AB:A19C:51F7:2A1D ( talk) 10:46, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
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See below. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 13:06, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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This user has some kind of obsession with certain issues, such as Athens. The page Olympiacos F.C. is temporarily semi-protected because the user, using dozens of different IPs, had been persistently deleting what he thought was wrong, something that resulted in edit-wars. See [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19]. He obviously decided to do this as an IP user when one more of his multiple accounts, User:Κοκκινιώτης, was blocked, because in the same page he had exactly the same disruptive edits: [20], [21]. As soon as the page got protected, he performed in the same way using his account User:Αντιγονος, see [22]. The problem with him is that he is constantly making new accounts and uses so many IPs, editing always in the same way. He has done so in the page of Athens as well (see [23], [24], [25]) and he has contacted me (as an IP user) sending an insulting and arrogant message about the above issues in my talk page. Sthenel ( talk) 15:22, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
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Similar editing patterns of a user User:Vrahomarinaner who has been blocked indefinitely from Greek and English Wikipedia. His obsession with Olympiakos and related articles to Greek football is quite suspicious - all those accounts are new and focused on Olympiacos. I have strong suspicion that they are interconnected, based on their contributions [1] [2] [3]. The username Xitler is written in Greeklish and refers to Hitler btw. Glucken123 ( talk) 15:11, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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/info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/%CE%93%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%AD%CE%BC%CF%80%CE%BB%CE%B5%CF%8A, /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/Battase, /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/2A02:587:800C:D500:A556:C9EF:2521:E852, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Olympiacos_CFP_(men%27s_water_polo)&diff=prev&oldid=940117360, /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Vrahomarinaner/Archive, the same obsessions 2A02:587:4406:72E4:8955:9EAF:C9AC:5E53 ( talk) the same obsessions 2A02:587:4406:72E4:FC0E:7B6A:A48D:4E1E ( talk) 14:31, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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As previously mentioned, some of the accounts in this check are real users, unrelated to Vrahomarinaner. This request is an act of trolling that should be removed. After all, it was submitted by an anonymous IP. Glucken123 ( talk) 16:40, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
A brief review, as far as it concerns me (and apparently user Οσελότος, too):
A laughable claim that I am a "100% puppet" of Vrahomarinaner, by a well-known (the so-called "anti-Piraeus") cross-wiki troll and sockmaster, indef. blocked in en/WP and el/WP. Of course, I don't mind running a CU, no matter how ridiculous and trollish is the accusation against myself. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 ( talk) 07:34, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Chalk 19 is a systematic liar is not the first time. 1st I didn't accused him to be 100% vrahonarinaner puppet [26] , 2nd never accused a user as a vrahomarinaner puppet, 3rd this user attack to anyone who are against vrahomarinaner as he did to αλαν13 account and a lot of others. In greek wikipedia they let vrahomarinaner to create alot of accounts in daily base and chalk19 attack to anyone who be against it and blames them with paranoic things systematically. Sorry for my bad english -- 2A02:2149:88E1:A000:64B6:C0F9:C4D8:9A83 ( talk) 13:04, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Please note that whithout any doubt all the above IPs belong to the cross-wiki troll Trefoil13 / Jjik43, blocked infed. in several WPs. Trefoil13 has been blocked indef. in en/WP: "Reason: Clearly not here to contribute to the encyclopedia: Abusing multiple accounts", and de/WP: "Reason: Sperrumgehung, keine Besserung erkennbar" (Block evasion, no improvement) [27]. Jjik43 has been blocked indef. in en/WP: "Reason: Sock puppetry confirmed - SPI case Trefoil13", and in el/WP: "Reason: Κατάχρηση πολλαπλών λογαριασμών" (Sock puppetry) [28]. The troll's IPs must be locked for good, if possible. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 ( talk) 16:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Ckalk19 have a strong obsession about Piraeus exactly as vrahinarinaner have. Any contribute to a article related with even improve it called it Anti-Piraeus campaign and attack to the user. This is a paranoic thing. And of course nothing to do with olympiakos as the sports articles which users usually revert the vandalisms of this users Vrahomarinaner etc is panathinaikos or other team articles, or competitions. This user attack anyone with personal attacks and call it troll, have a agenda [29] or be a puppet [30].-- 2A02:587:4417:E381:E467:F01:79A8:A1C5 ( talk) 02:09, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Ckalk19 attack to anyone whom disagree with him or turn against vrahomarinaner vandalisms, this is his permanent tactics, please a clerk to run a CU Between jjik43 and Αλαν13 to proof another slander of Chalk19 to a wikipedia user-- 2A02:587:4417:E381:DCE:C3A0:1A49:6A5D ( talk) 09:01, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
This whole section and request are both ridiculous acts of trolling, posted by an "anonymous" user, who has been previously banned from Wikipedia, and keeps chasing other users in retaliation. Chalk19's suspicions seem to be valid, as the wording and poor use of English language are strong indicators, pointing towards a well-known disgraced user. Even if I am wrong about their identity, please proceed with completing the user check as it will prove my original claims and justify my previous attempt to erase this request - that Chalk19 is completely unrelated to any sockpuppeting activities on Wikipedia. In regards to any anonymised approaches on this section, I find it extremely problematic that anyone can simply come in and submit their trolling requests by hiding their identity. This should be halted in the future to protect users like Chalk19 and create a more safe environment for the ones who have been contributing to Wikipedia for so many years. Any questions, please direct them to el WP as well. Glucken123 ( talk) 10:49, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_Greek_Cup_finals&action=history, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Greek_Football_Cup&dir=prev&offset=20200912200130%7C978083431&action=history, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_unbeaten_football_club_seasons&action=history pro olympaikos and piraeus obsessions and disruptive editing. 94.66.221.9 ( talk) 20:48, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
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Classic Vrahomarinaner behavior, disruptive edits by multiple accounts and ip's in the same articles like this https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_unbeaten_football_club_seasons&action=history 2 accounts and two ip's only in one article -- 85.74.45.215 ( talk) 23:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)