To note - The subject of the article travels a lot, and has been suspected of using numerous IPs in in different locations, per Talk:Josh Cahill.
Please also note Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HansoGalaxy/Archive, "it seems fairly clear that there is some off-wiki coordination or campaign related to this individual."
Sajid -
Same language, same edits.
see edit summaries
Special:Diff/1210242597
Special:Diff/1210335251
Both calling DM, BI and BBC RS, both offering to open a discourse on aero
Special:Diff/1210368157
Special:Diff/1210361722
Instant history adding back business insider
Special:Diff/1210372052, which was previously added in
Special:Diff/1210242597
As well as adding back references in dispute
Special:Diff/1210375084
Special:Diff/1210372052
Again, originally added by Tanhasahu
Special:Diff/1210242597
Sounds like a duck quacking into a megaphone to me
DarmaniLink (
talk)
09:34, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Turns out the pond goes even deeper.
PatrickChiao was the original one to add it,
Special:Diff/1209924630
however, he also shares remarkable behavioral similarities with the others.
has had beef with ConcurrentState by name
Special:Diff/1209944466
Special:Diff/1210383149
Despite having never spoken, he clearly has beef.
Sajid comes in, backing up Patrick
Special:Diff/1210342692
And despite having only six edits, has an amazing knowledge of wikipedia policy.
Special:Diff/1210383149
These accounts are all clearly connected. DarmaniLink ( talk) 10:32, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Digging further, another account showed up matching the behavior of the other accounts User:SkyGeek123, that is, editing on a BLP before showing pure interest in Josh Cahill (and no where else), which was also made by someone who was banned for making undisclosed paid edits. 13:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
A single purpose account with an extreme interest in defending the subject of the article
User:HansoGalaxy had a block for editing logged out to avoid scrutiny. If the behavioral evidence wasn't already there, that establishes socking as an MO.
Defending him
Special:Diff/1181609149
Edit warring with a link to the subjects spotify podcast as a source
Special:Diff/1191416261
And the exact same editing behavior as one of the other accounts.
Special:Diff/1193389898
Special:Diff/1210523592
DarmaniLink (
talk)
20:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
As pointed out by ConcurrentState User:80.155.39.221 IP is of hotel in Munich, editing activity coincides with BLP subject's whereabouts as as shown at 14s mark in YT video [1]. Identical pattern to the other accounts too. Edits a different BLP, then edits the subject of the article.
User:181.118.69.203, corresponds to whereabouts per here [2] and [3] (screenshot [4])
And, this exact editor is accusing people of paid editors out to get "the subject"
Special:Diff/1191416760
And know who else did the same?
HansoGalaxy:
Special:Diff/1191245852
Tanhasahu:
Special:Diff/1210638273
further delusions of persecution of "the subject" with all interest stopping on this one article
Hanso:
Special:Diff/1193398291
Tan:
Special:Diff/1210638273
Sajid:
Special:Diff/1210383149 1.75x amplified ultimate quack of ultimate destiny
DarmaniLink (
talk)
23:14, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
This is after the CU, may need a reCU. New account added, Ahadzuk, off an anonymous tip left on my talk page. Looking at the diffs by the account, it matches other behavioral indicators from the other accounts. On the article talkpage, the same editor also said that he sends his army after people, making the clear behavioral indicators and patterns likely meatpuppetry, if what he says is to be believed.
Special:Diff/1191620228
Special:Diff/1193398291
, there are 3 IPs on the talk page in the same section
Talk:Josh Cahill#Request for comment on inclusion of "Aljoscha Wendholt" as name that I cannot confirm if they go back to hotels or not, so I will not reveal due to concerns over outing. There's a lot of quacking going on, and a lot of brand new accounts that just so coincidentally back him up then their account activity ends after backing him up. What would the next steps be after SPI? ArbCom?
DarmaniLink (
talk)
12:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
I am not associated with any of the listed accounts. I just made edits with good faith to make Wikipedia a better place. When I made first edit to the Josh Cahill was a good faith edit based on the information and facts but it got reverted and got a message to participate on the talk page. So, I made statement there. If you check [ [5]], more than 90% of the account edits were made on the pages, talk pages related to Josh Cahill. I can smell something fishy with that account but you're wasting your time here. There is something cooking behind the scene like users doing IP edits to vandalise the page and then the Concurrentstate reverting those edits to show his good faith with reverting the edits. But, behind this he removing the well sourced content and adding false content. At the same time, the editor using Aerotime Youtube video as reference and at the same time he questioning Aerotime reliability. You must check this user before reaching to any verdict. Tanhasahu ( talk) 11:34, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Not sure if these will help, but these IPs have edited the page before; the latter 2402 IPs were recently blocked from the Cahill page for a year.
FWIW, I strongly suspect the 2402 IPs and SajidKhan1235 are the same person. Some1 ( talk) 01:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
I noticed the same duck-like qualities, but didn’t ask for a SPI because I thought it’d be bad form given my involvement in the dispute.
Keep in mind that the blocked 2402 IP is most likely a COIE that’s the subject of the page and due to frequent travels, can easily hop IPs. Looking at User agents might prove essential here. Already a lot of the IP accounts involved on this page and their narrow activity on certain dates can be directly correlated to the subject’s travels. Some of them directly come back as IPs for hotels via WHOIS. I’m preparing a private SPI for this due to WP:OUTING concerns.
As for casting aspersions my way by the parties involved, for the sake of everyone’s peace of mind, I’m more than happy to be rolled into into this check by a CU if they deem it useful. ConcurrentState ( talk) 15:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Per DarmaniLink's most recent addition, HansoGalaxy, to the list of suspected socks, I think the evidence User:Czello compiled at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HansoGalaxy/Archive is worth a second look. User:Vanamonde93 closed that matter by blocking HansoGalaxy from Cahill's article and talk for a month; they didn't take further action because they weren't quite convinced the reported anonymous users were all the same individual and connecting logged-out users to HansoGalaxy via CU isn't technically possible anyway. Vanamonde93 said "it seems fairly clear that there is some off-wiki coordination or campaign related to this individual" and any clerk responding to this really ought to consider that. City of Silver 21:10, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
@
DarmaniLink: Some other IP accounts that might be of interest:
There's more, and I've lost track of some of the stuff because, quite frankly, it's hard to keep up with all the IP juggling. But the gist of it is that, except for one instance, all IPs I've come across are suspect.
I've made it a point to only include IPs in the above list that are unlikely to give away private information either because they're used by the public at large or because they seem to have been rotated out from active residential use. ConcurrentState ( talk) 22:25, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
To note - The subject of the article travels a lot, and has been suspected of using numerous IPs in in different locations, per Talk:Josh Cahill.
Please also note Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HansoGalaxy/Archive, "it seems fairly clear that there is some off-wiki coordination or campaign related to this individual."
Sajid -
Same language, same edits.
see edit summaries
Special:Diff/1210242597
Special:Diff/1210335251
Both calling DM, BI and BBC RS, both offering to open a discourse on aero
Special:Diff/1210368157
Special:Diff/1210361722
Instant history adding back business insider
Special:Diff/1210372052, which was previously added in
Special:Diff/1210242597
As well as adding back references in dispute
Special:Diff/1210375084
Special:Diff/1210372052
Again, originally added by Tanhasahu
Special:Diff/1210242597
Sounds like a duck quacking into a megaphone to me
DarmaniLink (
talk)
09:34, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Turns out the pond goes even deeper.
PatrickChiao was the original one to add it,
Special:Diff/1209924630
however, he also shares remarkable behavioral similarities with the others.
has had beef with ConcurrentState by name
Special:Diff/1209944466
Special:Diff/1210383149
Despite having never spoken, he clearly has beef.
Sajid comes in, backing up Patrick
Special:Diff/1210342692
And despite having only six edits, has an amazing knowledge of wikipedia policy.
Special:Diff/1210383149
These accounts are all clearly connected. DarmaniLink ( talk) 10:32, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Digging further, another account showed up matching the behavior of the other accounts User:SkyGeek123, that is, editing on a BLP before showing pure interest in Josh Cahill (and no where else), which was also made by someone who was banned for making undisclosed paid edits. 13:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
A single purpose account with an extreme interest in defending the subject of the article
User:HansoGalaxy had a block for editing logged out to avoid scrutiny. If the behavioral evidence wasn't already there, that establishes socking as an MO.
Defending him
Special:Diff/1181609149
Edit warring with a link to the subjects spotify podcast as a source
Special:Diff/1191416261
And the exact same editing behavior as one of the other accounts.
Special:Diff/1193389898
Special:Diff/1210523592
DarmaniLink (
talk)
20:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
As pointed out by ConcurrentState User:80.155.39.221 IP is of hotel in Munich, editing activity coincides with BLP subject's whereabouts as as shown at 14s mark in YT video [1]. Identical pattern to the other accounts too. Edits a different BLP, then edits the subject of the article.
User:181.118.69.203, corresponds to whereabouts per here [2] and [3] (screenshot [4])
And, this exact editor is accusing people of paid editors out to get "the subject"
Special:Diff/1191416760
And know who else did the same?
HansoGalaxy:
Special:Diff/1191245852
Tanhasahu:
Special:Diff/1210638273
further delusions of persecution of "the subject" with all interest stopping on this one article
Hanso:
Special:Diff/1193398291
Tan:
Special:Diff/1210638273
Sajid:
Special:Diff/1210383149 1.75x amplified ultimate quack of ultimate destiny
DarmaniLink (
talk)
23:14, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
This is after the CU, may need a reCU. New account added, Ahadzuk, off an anonymous tip left on my talk page. Looking at the diffs by the account, it matches other behavioral indicators from the other accounts. On the article talkpage, the same editor also said that he sends his army after people, making the clear behavioral indicators and patterns likely meatpuppetry, if what he says is to be believed.
Special:Diff/1191620228
Special:Diff/1193398291
, there are 3 IPs on the talk page in the same section
Talk:Josh Cahill#Request for comment on inclusion of "Aljoscha Wendholt" as name that I cannot confirm if they go back to hotels or not, so I will not reveal due to concerns over outing. There's a lot of quacking going on, and a lot of brand new accounts that just so coincidentally back him up then their account activity ends after backing him up. What would the next steps be after SPI? ArbCom?
DarmaniLink (
talk)
12:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
I am not associated with any of the listed accounts. I just made edits with good faith to make Wikipedia a better place. When I made first edit to the Josh Cahill was a good faith edit based on the information and facts but it got reverted and got a message to participate on the talk page. So, I made statement there. If you check [ [5]], more than 90% of the account edits were made on the pages, talk pages related to Josh Cahill. I can smell something fishy with that account but you're wasting your time here. There is something cooking behind the scene like users doing IP edits to vandalise the page and then the Concurrentstate reverting those edits to show his good faith with reverting the edits. But, behind this he removing the well sourced content and adding false content. At the same time, the editor using Aerotime Youtube video as reference and at the same time he questioning Aerotime reliability. You must check this user before reaching to any verdict. Tanhasahu ( talk) 11:34, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Not sure if these will help, but these IPs have edited the page before; the latter 2402 IPs were recently blocked from the Cahill page for a year.
FWIW, I strongly suspect the 2402 IPs and SajidKhan1235 are the same person. Some1 ( talk) 01:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
I noticed the same duck-like qualities, but didn’t ask for a SPI because I thought it’d be bad form given my involvement in the dispute.
Keep in mind that the blocked 2402 IP is most likely a COIE that’s the subject of the page and due to frequent travels, can easily hop IPs. Looking at User agents might prove essential here. Already a lot of the IP accounts involved on this page and their narrow activity on certain dates can be directly correlated to the subject’s travels. Some of them directly come back as IPs for hotels via WHOIS. I’m preparing a private SPI for this due to WP:OUTING concerns.
As for casting aspersions my way by the parties involved, for the sake of everyone’s peace of mind, I’m more than happy to be rolled into into this check by a CU if they deem it useful. ConcurrentState ( talk) 15:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Per DarmaniLink's most recent addition, HansoGalaxy, to the list of suspected socks, I think the evidence User:Czello compiled at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HansoGalaxy/Archive is worth a second look. User:Vanamonde93 closed that matter by blocking HansoGalaxy from Cahill's article and talk for a month; they didn't take further action because they weren't quite convinced the reported anonymous users were all the same individual and connecting logged-out users to HansoGalaxy via CU isn't technically possible anyway. Vanamonde93 said "it seems fairly clear that there is some off-wiki coordination or campaign related to this individual" and any clerk responding to this really ought to consider that. City of Silver 21:10, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
@
DarmaniLink: Some other IP accounts that might be of interest:
There's more, and I've lost track of some of the stuff because, quite frankly, it's hard to keep up with all the IP juggling. But the gist of it is that, except for one instance, all IPs I've come across are suspect.
I've made it a point to only include IPs in the above list that are unlikely to give away private information either because they're used by the public at large or because they seem to have been rotated out from active residential use. ConcurrentState ( talk) 22:25, 27 February 2024 (UTC)