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15 November 2011

Suspected sockpuppets

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First, I have made RTLamp the "Sock master" since the evidence is strongest of "creating new accounts to avoid detection" with these three. However, I do present evidence they might be related to User:Stellarkid who was banned as a probable sock of User:Dajudem (editing 1/6/05 - 5/17/08), as was User:Tundrabuggy (editing 4/16 - 7/21/10), discussed here. Or they may be socks of another sock master others may be more familiar with. All of these have edited almost exclusively in the Israel Palestine area with a strong pro-Israel bias.

User:Stellarkid edited 5/27/08 - 5/11/10. His April 2010 talk page entries to Gilad Atzmon supported tying David Duke to Atzmon, overlapping in time with User:RTLamp comments below.

User:RTLamp edited 4/26 - 8/2/10, on November 3rd putting the “Retired” template on his user page. He edited almost exclusively Gilad Atzmon, inserting negative information into the article and the talk page. He was identified first as a Single Purpose Account and later chastised here for being insulting to me, both by admin User:Malik Shabazz. Shabazz earlier had banned User:Stellarkid. RTLamp also added material on David Duke praising Atzmon. He also edited Paul Findley.

User:Spaceclerk edited 10/9/10 - 1/23/11 when he also put a “Retired” template on his user page. Two of his first edits directly followed edits of mine at Council for National Interest and Philip Giraldi, which was too much of a coincidence. As his talk page shows, I (and User:Off2riorob for reasons of his own) immediately suspected he was a sock puppet and Spaceclerk banned us from his user page for “harassment.” After his behavior - including accusations of antisemitism against me - was criticized on his talk page and in two WP:ANIs he “retired.” He did not edit the Atzmon article but heavily edited Israel Shamir who often is compared to Atzmon. He also edited Paul Findley.

User: Goodwinsands editing 1/31/11 to the present. Three of his earliest edits were directly after mine at Supremacism, Gilad Atzmon and Alexander Chizhevsky. I was suspicious and asked him about his editing history. He began to heavily edit both Gilad Atzmon and Israel Shamir with negative information. He recently also added material on David Duke praising Atzmon to the article. November 8th User:Off2riorob asked Goodwinsands about multiple accounts on Goodwinsands talk page, wrongly suspecting Goodwinsands was a sock puppet of another editor. But this got me thinking about his behavior and I also chimed in, leading to Goodwinsands banning both of us from the page for "harassment." User:Malik Shabazz advised that any suspicions should be brought here. I then re-discovered my complaints against all three editors and discovered the Stellarkid/Dujudem connection. Thus this complaint about sock puppetry, whoever the sock master may be. CarolMooreDC 05:17, 15 November 2011 (UTC) reply

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So the harassment continues. Those interested in Carolmooredc's and Off2riorob's pattern of tag-team POV harassment can take a look at my talk page, where I have preserved wave after wave of it.

And by all means, CheckUser away. You'll discover that, no, I am not the sock of a banned user, I have never resorted to sock puppetry, and yes, I've been targeted by another false SP/I, the second this month IIRC, by these crusaders. Goodwinsands ( talk) 12:51, 15 November 2011 (UTC) reply

There is no evidence that any of these accounts has even the slightest connection with blocked account Dajudem/Stellarkid. Nor, except apparently for one single edit, is there any overlap of articles edited between them. The three accounts named have never edited at the same time, none of them is under any sanction or editing restriction, and there has not been any attempt to deceive anyone.

This case seems as ill-founded as the previous allegation that Goodwinsands was my sockpuppet(!), and it should be rejected forthwith. And editors should be warned against further fishing expeditions. RolandR ( talk) 13:42, 15 November 2011 (UTC) reply

Yes, the SP/I accusations have been flowing rather freely lately. But again, just as I called for CheckUser a week or so ago to demonstrate that I was not RolandR's sockpuppet, let me call for a CheckUser now to demonstrate that I am not a puppet of banned user Stellarkid.

And when it comes up empty, as it inevitably shall, I will have added yet another line to my harassed-by-POV-warriors log, and I will decide whether it is finally time to do something about it, rather than letting it roll off my back as I have done previously. Goodwinsands ( talk) 16:34, 15 November 2011 (UTC) reply

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

•  Clerk note: if this were a CU request it probably would be slapped with   CheckUser is not for fishing, and that's all this really is anyway, fishing. Alexandria (talk) 16:41, 15 November 2011 (UTC) reply

Thank you. Goodwinsands ( talk) 17:14, 15 November 2011 (UTC) reply

First this is not a check user so why would an admin comment on that? I think the facts bear at least some investigation and not an airy dismissal, especially with evidence of both Spaceclerk and Goodwinsands stalking my edits. Thanks. CarolMooreDC 17:32, 15 November 2011 (UTC) reply