NYyankees51 was recently blocked for sockpuppetry; CheckUser verified Ronpaulfan83 and 68.50.210.194 as being alternate accounts (see here). ProudAmerican93's user page admitted being an alternate account of NYyankees51. That account was blocked along with CG.XLII.
During the AfD of Bobby Schilling, 70.21.119.84 left comments that were later signed by NYyankees51. The IP addresses are still being used to make problematic edits since NYyankees51's block. Both IP addresses and NYyankees51 have an interest in Alexandria Aces (Cal Ripken Collegiate Baseball), Bobby Schilling, and Susan B. Anthony List (note: 70.21.119.84 is registered to Susan B. Anthony List). APK whisper in my ear 04:23, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Hello, this is NYyankees51/ProudAmerican93. This is all a big misunderstanding and I hope I can explain.
I have been using the name NYyankees51 since May 2006 with only a few problems. I recognize that making the edits I made were a bad idea. If I am unblocked, rest assured it won't happen again, at least from me.
I am requesting the following be unblocked:
Sorry for the lateness in my appeal, I was unaware that this page existed since I couldn't access my account. As such, I will go ahead and remove the case closed tag while you review my case. I hope this is okay.
Thank you and I hope to hear back from you. Merry Christmas and God bless.
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ArchConservative93 is clearly NYyankees51 ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki) aka aka evading his block. The new account's interest in Bobby Schilling, Alexandria Aces (Cal Ripken Collegiate Baseball), and Susan B. Anthony List are all topics that NYyankees51 likes to edit. 68.50.210.194 created ArchConservative93's user talk page. APK whisper in my ear 19:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
See Defending yourself against claims.
Administrator note Honestly, seems to fall under
WP:DUCK. Blocked and tagged.
NJA
(t/
c)
10:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
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Here's a list of articles both wiki accts have edited. [1] The BS24 account was created in January, 2010, right after the NYyankees51 sockpuppet case was closed that same month. After BS24 said " I was involved in a rather heated dispute over the Taxpayer March on Washington crowd size section" [2], I looked for it there but could not find any relevant discussion involving BS24. I asked BS24 what was the user name, BS24 did not recall it to me, and claimed to have quit using it due to a lost password. [3] I have been advised that it is best to let Wiki admins have a look at the record, and I agree. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous ( talk) 20:01, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Short version for the busy Admin/Checkuser
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There are also further incidents supporting the view that the new account is no "fresh start", but a continuation of disruptive behavior.
For example, I made a change and explained it in the change comment and on talk [23], and then BS24 reverted it by just claiming that it is "vandalism" [24]. He/she also tried to remove me from a mediation by using some obviously untrue claim, see the comment of change [25], about which BS24 later said was a "honest mistake" [26].
After these incidents I was still ready to assume WP:AGF for the future. But now I saw that he/she is continuing such actions. For example, an IP made a valid change which was well substantiated by a new source [27]. But then just yesterday BS24 reverted that change and gave the user a dressing-down "Please [...] read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia." [28]. Treating other editors in such a way makes it harder to gain and retain motivated and constructive Wikipedia contributors.
So, after the actions I was directly affected by, plus then learning about the long history of the actions of BS24 under many different names and IPs, plus now seeing that he/she just continues in the same way, I don't think that this is a "fresh start". I really see a problem which should be addressed somehow.
(Yes, he has initiated and is participating a moderation. But I think a moderation should not automatically mean immunity again sockpuppet investigations. And as long as this case is unresolved, the moderation may continue as planned without hard feelings.) 82.135.29.209 ( talk) 12:21, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
See Defending yourself against claims.
Yes, I am NYyankees51. NYyankees51, was blocked in December 2009 due to some stupid jokes I was trying to pull on a friend. I put three and a half years (perhaps not always the best editor at first, since I was significantly younger and just learning Wikipedia, but three and a half years nonetheless) into that account and blew it for a couple of laughs. I fully recognize that I was in violation of Wikipedia rules and I fully accept that block; I deserved it. When the block was made my IP was banned from new account creation as well. However, the ban was lifted soon thereafter. I took that as a way to make a fresh start with a new account, BS24.
As you can see from my edit history, I have never made any more vandalistic edits, or at least edits that are undoubtedly vandalism, and all my edits have been made in good faith. User:BS24 shows a list of articles I have created or contributed significantly to, and you will find no disruption in those articles. I have also taken a lot of time to clean up various articles. Had I not mentioned my previous involvement in an article under NYyankees51 here, you would never know I was NYyankees51 by my lack of vandalism or disruption.
So yes, I guess BS24 is arguably a sockpuppetry violation. However, I hope others will take a hard look at my edit history and decide whether BS24 is a simple vandal or legitimate contributor, and whether I have learned from my mistakes and made up for them. Thank you and God bless. BS24 ( talk) 22:20, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Note: for the record, I was mistaken when I told The Artist that I stopped using the account I used for the Taxpayer March on Washington article. I was confusing NYyankees51 with another account I did forget the password to. BS24 ( talk) 22:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
It should be noted that The Artist himself appears to be a
WP:SPA. The only reason this editor even has an account is because I told him to create an account less he appear to be avoiding ip id. Given the knowledge this person has of WP procedures it is likely that they have been here before in some other arena. I suggest that editors that live in glass houses not throw bricks at other editors. I will restate, this appears to be nothing more than a vindictive effort to remove an editor from a discusion. There is absolutely no evidence that BS24 has been manipulating accounts in order to gain an advantage. BS24 has been trying to work with all parties in the Restoring Honor Rally mediation and now this comes forward by the one primary editor most against the mediation process. I call bs to the highest degree.
Arzel (
talk)
07:27, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Are you debating yourself Mr. Anon? IP82, IP69, and "The Artist AKA Mr. Anonymous" all seem to be the same person. Arzel (talk) 17:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
- Since I usually agree with myself, what are you referring to besides different ID's I have used? BTW, since this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, could you offline it to my talk page at "The Artist AKA Mr. Anonymous"69.224.150.70 (talk) 17:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)Mr Anon
Most of the above discuss whether BS24 has been a disruptive editor; if I have been just as disruptive, or what motivated me to open the SPI. I'll forgo addressing those issues (some of which Xenphrenic addressed above [31] in summary while pointing out other possible sock puppet accounts to be looked at.) Instead I'll establish that BS24 is a sock puppet account opened with no other intention but to evade scrutiny.
BS24 commenced editing on January 23, 2010 [32] and after this SPI was opened on Oct. 15 confessed that BS24 and NYyankees51 were the same. [33]. BS24 presumed, without discussing the matter with an admin, that since a block on the IP attached to NYankees51 was lifted, a fresh start account could be opened. And BS2 returned to editing many of the same pages as before, [34] though the editor was cautioned that doing so was a good way get outed. [35] The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous ( talk) 18:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
"not a license to resume editing in areas the community might need scrutiny or where scrutiny has happened in the past." I was banned for vandalism on Alexandria Aces (Cal Ripken Collegiate Baseball). My ban had nothing to do with the articles I have continued to edit regularly under BS24. "It is intended for users who wish to...set aside old disputes and poor conduct." BS24 ( talk) 00:25, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
NYyankees51 as not a stale account: it is on active indefinite block. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous ( talk)`
This is beyond vindictiveness. AKA is now apparently wiki-stalking BS24 and reverting edits with very inappropriate edit summaries like this and this again. It should be noted that AKA reverted an editor that agreed with the tags BS24 had put into that article. Arzel ( talk) 05:08, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Well, Arzel (and BS24), here we are again... I don't think that ad hominem abuses are helpful ... It seems that all facts are presented, so everybody should just relax and wait for the admin ruling. 82.135.29.209 ( talk) 01:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm not reading all of this. Brief summary please? TN X Man 15:10, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
NYyankees51 was recently blocked for sockpuppetry; CheckUser verified Ronpaulfan83 and 68.50.210.194 as being alternate accounts (see here). ProudAmerican93's user page admitted being an alternate account of NYyankees51. That account was blocked along with CG.XLII.
During the AfD of Bobby Schilling, 70.21.119.84 left comments that were later signed by NYyankees51. The IP addresses are still being used to make problematic edits since NYyankees51's block. Both IP addresses and NYyankees51 have an interest in Alexandria Aces (Cal Ripken Collegiate Baseball), Bobby Schilling, and Susan B. Anthony List (note: 70.21.119.84 is registered to Susan B. Anthony List). APK whisper in my ear 04:23, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Hello, this is NYyankees51/ProudAmerican93. This is all a big misunderstanding and I hope I can explain.
I have been using the name NYyankees51 since May 2006 with only a few problems. I recognize that making the edits I made were a bad idea. If I am unblocked, rest assured it won't happen again, at least from me.
I am requesting the following be unblocked:
Sorry for the lateness in my appeal, I was unaware that this page existed since I couldn't access my account. As such, I will go ahead and remove the case closed tag while you review my case. I hope this is okay.
Thank you and I hope to hear back from you. Merry Christmas and God bless.
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This case has been marked as closed. It will be archived after its final review by a Clerk or Checkuser. |
ArchConservative93 is clearly NYyankees51 ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki) aka aka evading his block. The new account's interest in Bobby Schilling, Alexandria Aces (Cal Ripken Collegiate Baseball), and Susan B. Anthony List are all topics that NYyankees51 likes to edit. 68.50.210.194 created ArchConservative93's user talk page. APK whisper in my ear 19:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
See Defending yourself against claims.
Administrator note Honestly, seems to fall under
WP:DUCK. Blocked and tagged.
NJA
(t/
c)
10:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
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This case has been marked as closed. It has been archived automatically. |
Here's a list of articles both wiki accts have edited. [1] The BS24 account was created in January, 2010, right after the NYyankees51 sockpuppet case was closed that same month. After BS24 said " I was involved in a rather heated dispute over the Taxpayer March on Washington crowd size section" [2], I looked for it there but could not find any relevant discussion involving BS24. I asked BS24 what was the user name, BS24 did not recall it to me, and claimed to have quit using it due to a lost password. [3] I have been advised that it is best to let Wiki admins have a look at the record, and I agree. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous ( talk) 20:01, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Short version for the busy Admin/Checkuser
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There are also further incidents supporting the view that the new account is no "fresh start", but a continuation of disruptive behavior.
For example, I made a change and explained it in the change comment and on talk [23], and then BS24 reverted it by just claiming that it is "vandalism" [24]. He/she also tried to remove me from a mediation by using some obviously untrue claim, see the comment of change [25], about which BS24 later said was a "honest mistake" [26].
After these incidents I was still ready to assume WP:AGF for the future. But now I saw that he/she is continuing such actions. For example, an IP made a valid change which was well substantiated by a new source [27]. But then just yesterday BS24 reverted that change and gave the user a dressing-down "Please [...] read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia." [28]. Treating other editors in such a way makes it harder to gain and retain motivated and constructive Wikipedia contributors.
So, after the actions I was directly affected by, plus then learning about the long history of the actions of BS24 under many different names and IPs, plus now seeing that he/she just continues in the same way, I don't think that this is a "fresh start". I really see a problem which should be addressed somehow.
(Yes, he has initiated and is participating a moderation. But I think a moderation should not automatically mean immunity again sockpuppet investigations. And as long as this case is unresolved, the moderation may continue as planned without hard feelings.) 82.135.29.209 ( talk) 12:21, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
See Defending yourself against claims.
Yes, I am NYyankees51. NYyankees51, was blocked in December 2009 due to some stupid jokes I was trying to pull on a friend. I put three and a half years (perhaps not always the best editor at first, since I was significantly younger and just learning Wikipedia, but three and a half years nonetheless) into that account and blew it for a couple of laughs. I fully recognize that I was in violation of Wikipedia rules and I fully accept that block; I deserved it. When the block was made my IP was banned from new account creation as well. However, the ban was lifted soon thereafter. I took that as a way to make a fresh start with a new account, BS24.
As you can see from my edit history, I have never made any more vandalistic edits, or at least edits that are undoubtedly vandalism, and all my edits have been made in good faith. User:BS24 shows a list of articles I have created or contributed significantly to, and you will find no disruption in those articles. I have also taken a lot of time to clean up various articles. Had I not mentioned my previous involvement in an article under NYyankees51 here, you would never know I was NYyankees51 by my lack of vandalism or disruption.
So yes, I guess BS24 is arguably a sockpuppetry violation. However, I hope others will take a hard look at my edit history and decide whether BS24 is a simple vandal or legitimate contributor, and whether I have learned from my mistakes and made up for them. Thank you and God bless. BS24 ( talk) 22:20, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Note: for the record, I was mistaken when I told The Artist that I stopped using the account I used for the Taxpayer March on Washington article. I was confusing NYyankees51 with another account I did forget the password to. BS24 ( talk) 22:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
It should be noted that The Artist himself appears to be a
WP:SPA. The only reason this editor even has an account is because I told him to create an account less he appear to be avoiding ip id. Given the knowledge this person has of WP procedures it is likely that they have been here before in some other arena. I suggest that editors that live in glass houses not throw bricks at other editors. I will restate, this appears to be nothing more than a vindictive effort to remove an editor from a discusion. There is absolutely no evidence that BS24 has been manipulating accounts in order to gain an advantage. BS24 has been trying to work with all parties in the Restoring Honor Rally mediation and now this comes forward by the one primary editor most against the mediation process. I call bs to the highest degree.
Arzel (
talk)
07:27, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Are you debating yourself Mr. Anon? IP82, IP69, and "The Artist AKA Mr. Anonymous" all seem to be the same person. Arzel (talk) 17:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
- Since I usually agree with myself, what are you referring to besides different ID's I have used? BTW, since this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, could you offline it to my talk page at "The Artist AKA Mr. Anonymous"69.224.150.70 (talk) 17:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)Mr Anon
Most of the above discuss whether BS24 has been a disruptive editor; if I have been just as disruptive, or what motivated me to open the SPI. I'll forgo addressing those issues (some of which Xenphrenic addressed above [31] in summary while pointing out other possible sock puppet accounts to be looked at.) Instead I'll establish that BS24 is a sock puppet account opened with no other intention but to evade scrutiny.
BS24 commenced editing on January 23, 2010 [32] and after this SPI was opened on Oct. 15 confessed that BS24 and NYyankees51 were the same. [33]. BS24 presumed, without discussing the matter with an admin, that since a block on the IP attached to NYankees51 was lifted, a fresh start account could be opened. And BS2 returned to editing many of the same pages as before, [34] though the editor was cautioned that doing so was a good way get outed. [35] The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous ( talk) 18:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
"not a license to resume editing in areas the community might need scrutiny or where scrutiny has happened in the past." I was banned for vandalism on Alexandria Aces (Cal Ripken Collegiate Baseball). My ban had nothing to do with the articles I have continued to edit regularly under BS24. "It is intended for users who wish to...set aside old disputes and poor conduct." BS24 ( talk) 00:25, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
NYyankees51 as not a stale account: it is on active indefinite block. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous ( talk)`
This is beyond vindictiveness. AKA is now apparently wiki-stalking BS24 and reverting edits with very inappropriate edit summaries like this and this again. It should be noted that AKA reverted an editor that agreed with the tags BS24 had put into that article. Arzel ( talk) 05:08, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Well, Arzel (and BS24), here we are again... I don't think that ad hominem abuses are helpful ... It seems that all facts are presented, so everybody should just relax and wait for the admin ruling. 82.135.29.209 ( talk) 01:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm not reading all of this. Brief summary please? TN X Man 15:10, 26 October 2010 (UTC)