Master Music Publications
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19 May 2020
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- Oberman ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Ilovelifeandmusic ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Master Music Publications ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Moltomusic ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Cabin2015 ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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I've nominated "Master Music Publications" for deletion. Now I notice that it is the same editors who have contributed to this article and the articles on Master Music Publications clients such as Ji Liu, Luka Okros, Nicholas McCarthy (pianist) and Artur Cimirro. Notable amongst these 'editors' is User:Cabin2015 whose contributions are solely about MMP and its clients. Others include Oberman ( Special:Contributions/Oberman) User:Moltomusic ( Special:Contributions/Moltomusic), and Ilovelifeandmusic ( Special:Contributions/Ilove life and music). Some of them have only contributed to one MMP client (and made no other WP contributions) - Cabin2015 has contributed to quite a few of them ( Special:Contributions/Cabin2015). The articles on these MMP clients all include extensive lists of their publications (i.e. publications by MMP) added by these editors. A former editor, User:Master Music Publications, now blocked, also contributed to these articles ( Special:Contributions/Master Music Publications). I am guessing that these may all be sockpuppets - or maybe, to judge from some of the comments below, there is meatpuppetry going on, which is also covered by WP:SOCK. Smerus ( talk) 17:54, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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Hello there, I refute the accusation my account (Cabin2015) is a sockpuppet. This is my only account and I don’t have access to any of the accounts listed above. I do however recognise Molto Music, which seems to be Luka Okros management company. I personally love sheet music publishing, noticed MMP and decided to contribute to the quite comprehensive Wiki pages on sheet music publishers when I noticed MMP wasn’t included. I haven’t seen anywhere else where I can contribute in the world of publishing (although I have made some additions to sheet music lists that are not connected to MMP at all). If you like, I can look into the company more and see if I can add to the page to make it more ‘notable’. Although the page itself might not be thorough, they pop up a lot and publish for ‘notable’ people, so I don’t see why it should be deleted. ( Cabin2015 ( talk) 18:20, 19 May 2020 (UTC))
- Wow, quite a coincidence then that every single one of your WP contributions except the first two or three have concerned MMP and its clients. Unless of course you have a WP:COI which you haven't declared, the odds against that must be astronomical!-- Smerus ( talk) 18:43, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Why the hostility? I spents hours working on these edits and no WP:COI, and yes most of them have been MMP related, as that was something I saw was missing and wanted to contribute, people can like brands by the way! Have you not seen the following some brands have? Cabin2015 ( talk) 19:01, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Please note, Cabin2015, that it is strictly against WP rules to undo a notice of AfD as you have done at Master Music Publications. The notice makes it absolutely clear that it must not be removed until this discussion is completed. I have replaced it and if you (or any possible sockpuppets or collaborators of yours) remove it again I shall formally report it.-- Smerus ( talk) 21:08, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I deliberately left the text in the > < as that clearly states that cannot be deleted. I believed the way to contest the deletion was to delete the text in the middle. I apologise if this was incorrect. If it was malicious I would have deleted the text in the > <. May I please recommend you act a little kinder to people who, like yourself are giving their time freely to improve Wikipedia - a hostile environment is not healthy.
Cabin2015 (
talk) 21:39, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you at least for admitting that you deleted the notice, although you had clearly read the text that said it should not be deleted. The deletion should be contested in the discussion, not by singlehandedly attempting to sabotage the discussion.-- Smerus ( talk) 21:48, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- As I said, I kept the text within the brackets, as this is what was clearly referred to. I did not attempt to sabotage the discussion. I tried to follow this guidance “ You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the proposed deletion/dated notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page. ”. Smerus, please stop with the accusations and be kind. Cabin2015 ( talk) 21:58, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
I would like to kindly also refute the accusation of meatpuppetry. In evidence against the insinuation of sock puppets, unless I was able to fly from the UK to write the below comment on a computer in Brazil in a matter of minutes, then this is purely illogical. But I would like to thank the therefore insinuation of being Superman! Whoever reviews this, please make of it what you will. I have looked over the references in the article Master Music Publications, this is certainly not a reprint of a press release, rather an actual reporters work by a Nathan Louis. Cabin2015 ( talk) 21:56, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello Mr. "Smerus" Here is Artur Cimirro, my account "Oberman" was not related to any of these other users you mentioned. As a concert pianist and composer from Brazil, which you can easily check I really am via internet (and I can do a video to prove to wikipedia if necessary), in the past I decided to make changes in the information around my name on Wikipedia because there were many wrong things and some missing information (now it is not even updated). I have never seen the article about "Master Music", and I can't remember of any edit of mine in such article, but the Master Music Publications from England are publishing musical scores of my piano transcriptions for the left hand since 2018 and also they published some writing of mine. I hope you will be able to check I'm using an IP from Brazil, and the others are using IP from other places in the world. That would be enough I believe. Also, I do not like the kind of "ironical way" you just wrote to the other user, and I really hope you do not repeat such act with me because I'm not giving you any "friendship" nor "liberty" to speak in such way with me. If Wikipedia is a serious place, this is not the way to write to other members unless you are a 12 years old boy with a 7 years old brain - I really hope it is not the case. Also, if you are hunting articles with dubious interests I'm sure you can find a lot of them in the ones related to big companies of Movies and pop art in general, pornography, politics, etc, because there are the ones who have a real market of billions to deal. People making musical scores and classical art are only promoting the history of art and finding ways to make the very few people interested in classical art to find what they are looking for, because this will not be on TV or on Radio or anywhere unless it is made by a big company (does wikipedia consider big companies have sockpuppets?) I hope that makes it all clear. Artur Cimirro ( oberman ) Oberman ( talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oberman ( talk • contribs) 19:17, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- I expect you therefore to complete a Conflict of Interest declaration, as required by Wikipedia, in respect of the article Artur Cimirro.-- Smerus ( talk) 21:08, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Sit down and wait, Sir. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oberman ( talk • contribs) 22:35, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- I've come across this report after seeing the WP:COIN report against Oberman. I note that Oberman has admitted his conflict of interest above. Looking at his contributions compared to the other accounts mentioned, it looks like the only common link is the publishing company. The reasonable explanation is that somebody at the company suggested to various people that they update their respective Wikipedia articles. I don't see anything abusive in the use of multiple accounts here. Arguably, it's better practice to have several accounts representing different parties than a shared account! I've not looked at the other account pairings, but comparing Oberman to the alleged master, I feel comfortable in saying that based on the evidence i see, he is not a sockpuppet. — C.Fred ( talk) 23:33, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you Mr. C.Fred, Indeed if updating a wikipedia article would be a problems then we would never have all the information we have from coca-cola, microsoft, apple, etc, etc, right? The only thing still not sounding good to my ears is apparently Smerus is allowed to write with his "ironic mood" here and answer people like a pseudo-commander. I was expecting wikipedia would not accept these people to write here. Anyway, as far as Smerus is not involved in editing my article nor he is in front of me at any point, everything will be just fine, otherwise I'll do something not so nice.
I'll not edit anything more from now, as I already mentioned Wikipedia means nothing to me, it is not a useful tool at all for me, I only updated the article under my name and apparently some people only "delete" part of what was posted from time to time, so I'll be out from now, unless someone replies to this account this will not be opened after today - anyway I'll be always watching what is happening with my name here. Artur Cimirro — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oberman ( talk • contribs) 23:56, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
- Oberman is, by admission on this SPI, Artur Cimirro.
- Ilovelifeandmusic is, or is an SPA for, Ji Liu (pianist).
- Moltomusic is Luka Okrostsvaridze (30 seconds of off-wiki research) & was softblocked.
- Master Music Publications was, as of 14:30, 24 June 2019, in discussion with Yamla & 331dot about a name change & unblock subject to a proposal that they would avoid COI topics.
- Cabin2015 registered 17:47, 24 June 2019 and continued editing MMP's client list.
I'm convinced MMP found the COI restriction unacceptable and switched to Cabin2015 to avoid it. (Re)blocked Master Music Publications & Cabin2015 for socking & block evasion. Moved case to MMP. Closing. Cabayi ( talk) 12:17, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
04 June 2020
Suspected sockpuppets
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IP which geolocates to the same town as the registered office of Master Music Publications Ltd and for their sole contribution restores an edit made by an MMP sock promoting MMP artistes. This duck is quacking loud enough to perforate eardrums. Cabayi ( talk) 17:41, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
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21 November 2020
Suspected sockpuppets
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The IP is based in Britain https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/89.168.166.54, which makes me suspect that it is another attempt from known sockpuppeteer Master Music Publications to create a promotional article about the Britain-based company with the same name. lovkal ( talk) 02:05, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
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Clerk declined - checkusers will not connect IPs to named accounts. IP has been blocked by Deb, no further action necessary. Closing.
GeneralNotability (
talk) 20:35, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Master Music Publications
- Master Music Publications ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
19 May 2020
Suspected sockpuppets
- Oberman ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Ilovelifeandmusic ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Master Music Publications ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Moltomusic ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Cabin2015 ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
I've nominated "Master Music Publications" for deletion. Now I notice that it is the same editors who have contributed to this article and the articles on Master Music Publications clients such as Ji Liu, Luka Okros, Nicholas McCarthy (pianist) and Artur Cimirro. Notable amongst these 'editors' is User:Cabin2015 whose contributions are solely about MMP and its clients. Others include Oberman ( Special:Contributions/Oberman) User:Moltomusic ( Special:Contributions/Moltomusic), and Ilovelifeandmusic ( Special:Contributions/Ilove life and music). Some of them have only contributed to one MMP client (and made no other WP contributions) - Cabin2015 has contributed to quite a few of them ( Special:Contributions/Cabin2015). The articles on these MMP clients all include extensive lists of their publications (i.e. publications by MMP) added by these editors. A former editor, User:Master Music Publications, now blocked, also contributed to these articles ( Special:Contributions/Master Music Publications). I am guessing that these may all be sockpuppets - or maybe, to judge from some of the comments below, there is meatpuppetry going on, which is also covered by WP:SOCK. Smerus ( talk) 17:54, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Comments by other users
Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
Hello there, I refute the accusation my account (Cabin2015) is a sockpuppet. This is my only account and I don’t have access to any of the accounts listed above. I do however recognise Molto Music, which seems to be Luka Okros management company. I personally love sheet music publishing, noticed MMP and decided to contribute to the quite comprehensive Wiki pages on sheet music publishers when I noticed MMP wasn’t included. I haven’t seen anywhere else where I can contribute in the world of publishing (although I have made some additions to sheet music lists that are not connected to MMP at all). If you like, I can look into the company more and see if I can add to the page to make it more ‘notable’. Although the page itself might not be thorough, they pop up a lot and publish for ‘notable’ people, so I don’t see why it should be deleted. ( Cabin2015 ( talk) 18:20, 19 May 2020 (UTC))
- Wow, quite a coincidence then that every single one of your WP contributions except the first two or three have concerned MMP and its clients. Unless of course you have a WP:COI which you haven't declared, the odds against that must be astronomical!-- Smerus ( talk) 18:43, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Why the hostility? I spents hours working on these edits and no WP:COI, and yes most of them have been MMP related, as that was something I saw was missing and wanted to contribute, people can like brands by the way! Have you not seen the following some brands have? Cabin2015 ( talk) 19:01, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Please note, Cabin2015, that it is strictly against WP rules to undo a notice of AfD as you have done at Master Music Publications. The notice makes it absolutely clear that it must not be removed until this discussion is completed. I have replaced it and if you (or any possible sockpuppets or collaborators of yours) remove it again I shall formally report it.-- Smerus ( talk) 21:08, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I deliberately left the text in the > < as that clearly states that cannot be deleted. I believed the way to contest the deletion was to delete the text in the middle. I apologise if this was incorrect. If it was malicious I would have deleted the text in the > <. May I please recommend you act a little kinder to people who, like yourself are giving their time freely to improve Wikipedia - a hostile environment is not healthy.
Cabin2015 (
talk) 21:39, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you at least for admitting that you deleted the notice, although you had clearly read the text that said it should not be deleted. The deletion should be contested in the discussion, not by singlehandedly attempting to sabotage the discussion.-- Smerus ( talk) 21:48, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- As I said, I kept the text within the brackets, as this is what was clearly referred to. I did not attempt to sabotage the discussion. I tried to follow this guidance “ You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the proposed deletion/dated notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page. ”. Smerus, please stop with the accusations and be kind. Cabin2015 ( talk) 21:58, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
I would like to kindly also refute the accusation of meatpuppetry. In evidence against the insinuation of sock puppets, unless I was able to fly from the UK to write the below comment on a computer in Brazil in a matter of minutes, then this is purely illogical. But I would like to thank the therefore insinuation of being Superman! Whoever reviews this, please make of it what you will. I have looked over the references in the article Master Music Publications, this is certainly not a reprint of a press release, rather an actual reporters work by a Nathan Louis. Cabin2015 ( talk) 21:56, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello Mr. "Smerus" Here is Artur Cimirro, my account "Oberman" was not related to any of these other users you mentioned. As a concert pianist and composer from Brazil, which you can easily check I really am via internet (and I can do a video to prove to wikipedia if necessary), in the past I decided to make changes in the information around my name on Wikipedia because there were many wrong things and some missing information (now it is not even updated). I have never seen the article about "Master Music", and I can't remember of any edit of mine in such article, but the Master Music Publications from England are publishing musical scores of my piano transcriptions for the left hand since 2018 and also they published some writing of mine. I hope you will be able to check I'm using an IP from Brazil, and the others are using IP from other places in the world. That would be enough I believe. Also, I do not like the kind of "ironical way" you just wrote to the other user, and I really hope you do not repeat such act with me because I'm not giving you any "friendship" nor "liberty" to speak in such way with me. If Wikipedia is a serious place, this is not the way to write to other members unless you are a 12 years old boy with a 7 years old brain - I really hope it is not the case. Also, if you are hunting articles with dubious interests I'm sure you can find a lot of them in the ones related to big companies of Movies and pop art in general, pornography, politics, etc, because there are the ones who have a real market of billions to deal. People making musical scores and classical art are only promoting the history of art and finding ways to make the very few people interested in classical art to find what they are looking for, because this will not be on TV or on Radio or anywhere unless it is made by a big company (does wikipedia consider big companies have sockpuppets?) I hope that makes it all clear. Artur Cimirro ( oberman ) Oberman ( talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oberman ( talk • contribs) 19:17, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- I expect you therefore to complete a Conflict of Interest declaration, as required by Wikipedia, in respect of the article Artur Cimirro.-- Smerus ( talk) 21:08, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Sit down and wait, Sir. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oberman ( talk • contribs) 22:35, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- I've come across this report after seeing the WP:COIN report against Oberman. I note that Oberman has admitted his conflict of interest above. Looking at his contributions compared to the other accounts mentioned, it looks like the only common link is the publishing company. The reasonable explanation is that somebody at the company suggested to various people that they update their respective Wikipedia articles. I don't see anything abusive in the use of multiple accounts here. Arguably, it's better practice to have several accounts representing different parties than a shared account! I've not looked at the other account pairings, but comparing Oberman to the alleged master, I feel comfortable in saying that based on the evidence i see, he is not a sockpuppet. — C.Fred ( talk) 23:33, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you Mr. C.Fred, Indeed if updating a wikipedia article would be a problems then we would never have all the information we have from coca-cola, microsoft, apple, etc, etc, right? The only thing still not sounding good to my ears is apparently Smerus is allowed to write with his "ironic mood" here and answer people like a pseudo-commander. I was expecting wikipedia would not accept these people to write here. Anyway, as far as Smerus is not involved in editing my article nor he is in front of me at any point, everything will be just fine, otherwise I'll do something not so nice.
I'll not edit anything more from now, as I already mentioned Wikipedia means nothing to me, it is not a useful tool at all for me, I only updated the article under my name and apparently some people only "delete" part of what was posted from time to time, so I'll be out from now, unless someone replies to this account this will not be opened after today - anyway I'll be always watching what is happening with my name here. Artur Cimirro — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oberman ( talk • contribs) 23:56, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
- Oberman is, by admission on this SPI, Artur Cimirro.
- Ilovelifeandmusic is, or is an SPA for, Ji Liu (pianist).
- Moltomusic is Luka Okrostsvaridze (30 seconds of off-wiki research) & was softblocked.
- Master Music Publications was, as of 14:30, 24 June 2019, in discussion with Yamla & 331dot about a name change & unblock subject to a proposal that they would avoid COI topics.
- Cabin2015 registered 17:47, 24 June 2019 and continued editing MMP's client list.
I'm convinced MMP found the COI restriction unacceptable and switched to Cabin2015 to avoid it. (Re)blocked Master Music Publications & Cabin2015 for socking & block evasion. Moved case to MMP. Closing. Cabayi ( talk) 12:17, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
04 June 2020
Suspected sockpuppets
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
IP which geolocates to the same town as the registered office of Master Music Publications Ltd and for their sole contribution restores an edit made by an MMP sock promoting MMP artistes. This duck is quacking loud enough to perforate eardrums. Cabayi ( talk) 17:41, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Comments by other users
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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
21 November 2020
Suspected sockpuppets
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
The IP is based in Britain https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/89.168.166.54, which makes me suspect that it is another attempt from known sockpuppeteer Master Music Publications to create a promotional article about the Britain-based company with the same name. lovkal ( talk) 02:05, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Comments by other users
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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
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Clerk declined - checkusers will not connect IPs to named accounts. IP has been blocked by Deb, no further action necessary. Closing.
GeneralNotability (
talk) 20:35, 21 November 2020 (UTC)