Doug Weller talk 13:08, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
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Confirmed Note that there has been considerable socking through IP addresses also.
Blocked and tagged.
Doug Weller
talk 13:08, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
After the sock puppet, Eliko007, was discovered and blocked [2], the user returned again with another sock puppet to make the same edits in the article Growth of religion [3] [4], as there are similarities in the topics of the articles edited by the two users. Also, the user was using the sock puppets to support his views [5]. The good man 232 ( talk) 23:10, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
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This looks exactly like Jobas, who is well known for using multiple sock accounts. Exactly the same methodology, reasoning and speed of edits. Exactly the same religious agenda, deleting any reference to atheist from secular pages and atheists. Please can someone do a check and if confirmed ban. Mramoeba ( talk) 15:18, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
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@ Mramoeba: Please add at least one diff from both the IP and Jobas or a Jobas sockpuppet so we can better determine whether sockpuppetry is at play, because it's a little hard to tell without this context. Sro23 ( talk) 00:34, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Same basic editing pattern as previous socks. Multiple previous accounts are globally locked. See also 2021052510012114. ··· 日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
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I have no connection with the named user. If you need to investigate to confirm this, feel free. Regards.-- عبد المسيح ( talk) 17:45, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
The type of edits and religious agenda are very similar between the IP addresses and the previously banned sock puppet, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Tow of these IP addresses was used in an edit warring here and here in order to make other users violate three revents rule first, as for the other one, it was used to delete texts for no apparent reason, and the last two was used to add texts with sources, even though these sources did not support or mention the text, and this was the sock puppet, Eliko007, doing the same. Also, All IP addresses share the same geolocate and ISP, and these geolocations and ISPs are almost identical of an IP address for Jobas ( [6]) has been prevented before, and Jobas was using that IP address 14 years ago with the same religious agenda here and here. Averroes 22 ( talk) 22:34, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
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I got a tip via email that these two accounts may be Jobas. While the evidence tying them to Jobas was weak, things such as [7] made it clear to me that the two accounts may be connected. So, I ran a check. This is documenting my results. Guerillero Parlez Moi 21:15, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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I have CU blocked both accounts, and I will wait for a clerk to look it over before tagging. -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 21:21, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
I consulted with Doug Weller by email (and partially here) and we agreed that it is worthwhile to open this sockpuppet investigation. In early December 2022, I also consulted with Acroterion by email about the same matter.
Between October and December 2022 there was a lengthy and exhausting discussion with the user Foorgood at RSN. The discussion, and later RfC, at RSN was about ARDA/WCD/WRD. On 3 December, Foorgood was banned for disruptive POV-pushing on other talk pages and against other users. I have strong suspicion that the Foorgood account was a member of an extensive network of sockpuppets or meatpuppets with a precise COI.
The Foorgood account was one amongst others (also banned; e.g. Groznia, see my last message on their talk page) which were recently engaged in a seemingly concerted wave of ARDA et al.-pushing across Wikipedia.
As you can see, the Foorgood account was started in February 2021 and since its beginnings it edited articles pertaining to Christianity and atheism. This connects it to another group of accounts which have been repeatedly spamming certain sources and the related views on such topics across Wikipedia, namely the accounts revolving around the globally banned user Jobas.
On 30 November, the account going by the Arabic nickname عبد المسيح voted at the RSN RfC siding with Foorgood's argument. This account is a generally inactive one, and before the 30 November vote it had been inactive for about two weeks, and thenceforth it became inactive again. In May 2021, this account was suspected to be Jobas, although it was never checked.
As I wrote to Doug Weller here, however, I am quite certain that Jobas' main new account is Kfager1. The editing patterns and pool of interests are the same (Christianity and atheism). Clear evidence is that Jobas used bots to make tiny identical edits to different articles through which he hid his major (controversial) edits, and Kfager1 seems to be doing the same.
In this set of diffs dating between 16 and 25 October 2022, you can see Kfager1, عبد المسيح and Groznia who edited the same article on the same days, within a few hours of each other, often adding the same dubious sources (ARDA et al.) later discussed at RSN.
There is further evidence, including peculiar expressions used and grammatical errors made by both Jobas and his sockpuppets, and a list of IPs, which I will share by email with the CU operator. Æo ( talk) 17:16, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Riopex, Ebasti and SonoCat are characterised by editing style, added contents, pools of interests and bias — pro-Christianity, anti-atheism/agnosticism, anti-Islam; frequently focusing on religion demographics and adding religion to biographies —, which might be identified with those of either Jobas' or Rajputbhatti's sockpuppet/meatpuppet networks. Therefore, I suggest a comparison of these accounts with those listed in the foregoing SPIs of both networks. I suspect there might be overlaps between these two networks.
Jobas' accounts have often been warned for copy-pasting content without attribution from one article to another. See the warnings on their talk pages: here and here. Riopex and SonoCat seem to engage in the same practice, judging by the warnings on their talk pages here and here.
RoySmith, or any other check-user who will deal with this case: In addition to comparing the listed accounts with Jobas' and Rajputbhatti's sockpuppets, I suggest to do a search of other possible accounts used by the IPs, since I suspect there are many more. Apart from the few IPs listed hereabove, I already sent to RoySmith an email with various other IPs certainly associated with Jobas. I may list them here, too, if needed. Moreover, as I already discussed here with Doug Weller, the editing of these accounts has been so extensive, deep, enduring and accumulating over the years that the articles which have been their target, mainly " Christianity#Demographics", " Christian population growth", " growth of religion", " Christians", " Christianity by country", " decline of Christianity" — which they have been obsessively filling with intricate networks of unreliable statistics —, but also the corresponding articles on Islam — which they have often filled with anti-Islamic bias —, should be at least purged from what they have added. However, they are so compromised, given that hardly anyone will ever be able to consult those intricate networks of sources cited haphazardly (and many of which are unreliable), that some of them could be deleted or merged as WP:UNENCYC, WP:CFORK, and WP:JUNK.-- Æo ( talk) 00:32, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
I believe that Durziil89 and Derek-airtken are sockpuppets of Jobas. The edited topics are the same as those edited by Jobas and his previous sockpuppets, namely general Western culture, other Western and non-Western particular cultures, ethnicities and religions, always with pro-Christianity and anti-Islam points of view. These new accounts add or re-add the same information with the same sources that were added and used by Jobas and his sockpuppets, and the editing styles are also the same.
Please consider:
copied content from [pageXYZ]; see that page's history for attribution), and Durziil89 uses the exact same wording, this (
copied content from [pageXYZ]; see that page's history for attribution).
-- Æo ( talk) 17:05, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Doug Weller talk 13:08, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
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Confirmed Note that there has been considerable socking through IP addresses also.
Blocked and tagged.
Doug Weller
talk 13:08, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
After the sock puppet, Eliko007, was discovered and blocked [2], the user returned again with another sock puppet to make the same edits in the article Growth of religion [3] [4], as there are similarities in the topics of the articles edited by the two users. Also, the user was using the sock puppets to support his views [5]. The good man 232 ( talk) 23:10, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
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This looks exactly like Jobas, who is well known for using multiple sock accounts. Exactly the same methodology, reasoning and speed of edits. Exactly the same religious agenda, deleting any reference to atheist from secular pages and atheists. Please can someone do a check and if confirmed ban. Mramoeba ( talk) 15:18, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
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@ Mramoeba: Please add at least one diff from both the IP and Jobas or a Jobas sockpuppet so we can better determine whether sockpuppetry is at play, because it's a little hard to tell without this context. Sro23 ( talk) 00:34, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
Same basic editing pattern as previous socks. Multiple previous accounts are globally locked. See also 2021052510012114. ··· 日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
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I have no connection with the named user. If you need to investigate to confirm this, feel free. Regards.-- عبد المسيح ( talk) 17:45, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
The type of edits and religious agenda are very similar between the IP addresses and the previously banned sock puppet, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Tow of these IP addresses was used in an edit warring here and here in order to make other users violate three revents rule first, as for the other one, it was used to delete texts for no apparent reason, and the last two was used to add texts with sources, even though these sources did not support or mention the text, and this was the sock puppet, Eliko007, doing the same. Also, All IP addresses share the same geolocate and ISP, and these geolocations and ISPs are almost identical of an IP address for Jobas ( [6]) has been prevented before, and Jobas was using that IP address 14 years ago with the same religious agenda here and here. Averroes 22 ( talk) 22:34, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
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I got a tip via email that these two accounts may be Jobas. While the evidence tying them to Jobas was weak, things such as [7] made it clear to me that the two accounts may be connected. So, I ran a check. This is documenting my results. Guerillero Parlez Moi 21:15, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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I have CU blocked both accounts, and I will wait for a clerk to look it over before tagging. -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 21:21, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
I consulted with Doug Weller by email (and partially here) and we agreed that it is worthwhile to open this sockpuppet investigation. In early December 2022, I also consulted with Acroterion by email about the same matter.
Between October and December 2022 there was a lengthy and exhausting discussion with the user Foorgood at RSN. The discussion, and later RfC, at RSN was about ARDA/WCD/WRD. On 3 December, Foorgood was banned for disruptive POV-pushing on other talk pages and against other users. I have strong suspicion that the Foorgood account was a member of an extensive network of sockpuppets or meatpuppets with a precise COI.
The Foorgood account was one amongst others (also banned; e.g. Groznia, see my last message on their talk page) which were recently engaged in a seemingly concerted wave of ARDA et al.-pushing across Wikipedia.
As you can see, the Foorgood account was started in February 2021 and since its beginnings it edited articles pertaining to Christianity and atheism. This connects it to another group of accounts which have been repeatedly spamming certain sources and the related views on such topics across Wikipedia, namely the accounts revolving around the globally banned user Jobas.
On 30 November, the account going by the Arabic nickname عبد المسيح voted at the RSN RfC siding with Foorgood's argument. This account is a generally inactive one, and before the 30 November vote it had been inactive for about two weeks, and thenceforth it became inactive again. In May 2021, this account was suspected to be Jobas, although it was never checked.
As I wrote to Doug Weller here, however, I am quite certain that Jobas' main new account is Kfager1. The editing patterns and pool of interests are the same (Christianity and atheism). Clear evidence is that Jobas used bots to make tiny identical edits to different articles through which he hid his major (controversial) edits, and Kfager1 seems to be doing the same.
In this set of diffs dating between 16 and 25 October 2022, you can see Kfager1, عبد المسيح and Groznia who edited the same article on the same days, within a few hours of each other, often adding the same dubious sources (ARDA et al.) later discussed at RSN.
There is further evidence, including peculiar expressions used and grammatical errors made by both Jobas and his sockpuppets, and a list of IPs, which I will share by email with the CU operator. Æo ( talk) 17:16, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Riopex, Ebasti and SonoCat are characterised by editing style, added contents, pools of interests and bias — pro-Christianity, anti-atheism/agnosticism, anti-Islam; frequently focusing on religion demographics and adding religion to biographies —, which might be identified with those of either Jobas' or Rajputbhatti's sockpuppet/meatpuppet networks. Therefore, I suggest a comparison of these accounts with those listed in the foregoing SPIs of both networks. I suspect there might be overlaps between these two networks.
Jobas' accounts have often been warned for copy-pasting content without attribution from one article to another. See the warnings on their talk pages: here and here. Riopex and SonoCat seem to engage in the same practice, judging by the warnings on their talk pages here and here.
RoySmith, or any other check-user who will deal with this case: In addition to comparing the listed accounts with Jobas' and Rajputbhatti's sockpuppets, I suggest to do a search of other possible accounts used by the IPs, since I suspect there are many more. Apart from the few IPs listed hereabove, I already sent to RoySmith an email with various other IPs certainly associated with Jobas. I may list them here, too, if needed. Moreover, as I already discussed here with Doug Weller, the editing of these accounts has been so extensive, deep, enduring and accumulating over the years that the articles which have been their target, mainly " Christianity#Demographics", " Christian population growth", " growth of religion", " Christians", " Christianity by country", " decline of Christianity" — which they have been obsessively filling with intricate networks of unreliable statistics —, but also the corresponding articles on Islam — which they have often filled with anti-Islamic bias —, should be at least purged from what they have added. However, they are so compromised, given that hardly anyone will ever be able to consult those intricate networks of sources cited haphazardly (and many of which are unreliable), that some of them could be deleted or merged as WP:UNENCYC, WP:CFORK, and WP:JUNK.-- Æo ( talk) 00:32, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
I believe that Durziil89 and Derek-airtken are sockpuppets of Jobas. The edited topics are the same as those edited by Jobas and his previous sockpuppets, namely general Western culture, other Western and non-Western particular cultures, ethnicities and religions, always with pro-Christianity and anti-Islam points of view. These new accounts add or re-add the same information with the same sources that were added and used by Jobas and his sockpuppets, and the editing styles are also the same.
Please consider:
copied content from [pageXYZ]; see that page's history for attribution), and Durziil89 uses the exact same wording, this (
copied content from [pageXYZ]; see that page's history for attribution).
-- Æo ( talk) 17:05, 3 February 2024 (UTC)