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I believe the following are socks of User:Venezia Friulano/ User:JamesOredan.

1) User:Dreom was created as an immediate continuation of 80.102.210.145, just after the latter IP was blocked for being a sock of JamesOredan. You can see the two edit often the same pages (usually edited by Venezia/James). For example Magellan expedition, Voyages of Christopher Columbus, Genetic history of Italy, and Francis Xavier are pages edited by both Dreom and 80.102.210.145, and the edits have the same scope. One specific proof is that this edit by Dreom ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Francis_Xavier&diff=prev&oldid=1224313658&title=Francis_Xavier&diffonly=1) is essentially the same as this one done by 80.102.210.145 shortly before and reverted ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Francis_Xavier&diff=prev&oldid=1224143522).

2) 92:191.197.200 is evidently Dreom, as he edited the Italians article at the same time Dreom did and the other articles he edited have been edited by Venezia/James/Dreom and his socks. For example Rapier has been edited by an IP of his ( 31.221.156.26). He also throws around the accusation of wp:peacock a lot, especially when it comes to articles related to Italian history and culture, and this is also typical of Venezia/James socks, who claim that articles on Italy, Britain, Portugal and the Muslims are "biased" (Venezia/James hates these four nationalities/groups and is chauvinistic about Spain). For example: the Italophilia page is said to have "peacock" by 80.102.210.145 ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Italophilia&diff=prev&oldid=1194538210), Dreom deletes British stuff saying it's peacock ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Royal_Navy&diff=prev&oldid=1232156805), the Italians page has "peacockry" for 92:191.197.200 ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Italians&diff=prev&oldid=1233136935).

3) user:Discopleasant, his edit on the culture of Italy page ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Culture_of_Italy&diff=prev&oldid=1219654395), is same in scope to others made by Venezia Friulano in that same page that got reverted by me (see here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Culture_of_Italy&diff=prev&oldid=1165905929) and to points Venezia made relentlessly and obsessevely in multiple pages. He is reiterating this by reverting my IP here saying "it's peacock" ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Culture_of_Italy&diff=prev&oldid=1234585220). Altough I was not logged in, that is me, I told administrators that I am sometimes forced to edit this way, since Venezia/James literally stalks my account and also comes to personally insult me at my talk page (for which I had it blocked twice). Another thing these socks do is removing the word "Italy" or "Italian" from articles on history and/or replace it with other terminology; Venezia notably did this relenetlessly (see talk:Trajan or also the page culture of Italy). And you can see Discopleasant removed the word "Italy" here ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Crossing_the_Rubicon&diff=prev&oldid=1232378325), here ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Rubicon&diff=prev&oldid=1232377637), and "Italian" in his first edit after creation.( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=David_Baldacci&diff=prev&oldid=1219439076).

4) User:LucenseLugo has been noticed to be a sock of User:Venezia Friulano for his usual disruptive agenda and aggressive language already by this user here ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Valencian_language&diff=prev&oldid=1181007908&title=Talk%3AValencian_language&diffonly=1) and by this other user here ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Spanish_Empire&diff=prev&oldid=1173297720&title=Talk%3ASpanish_Empire&diffonly=1). The latter has listed there the evidence needed. LucenseLugo is primarily used by JamesOredan/Venezia Friulano for linguistic chauvinism (changing Catalan names into Spanish names) and "against" Portugal (hence the fake Portuguese name, it's an habit of his to pretend being non-Spanish). Most recently he caused an edit war at the Languages of Spain page. Notice his typical accusation in a mirror to another user here ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Valencian_language&diff=prev&oldid=1181009849&title=Talk%3AValencian_language&diffonly=1).

If admins need some of the known IP ranges of Venezia Friuliano/James Oredan to make a check I can provide them. These IPs have been marked or partially rangeblocked multiple times and include 31.221.128., 37.29.151.29, 46.6.189.143, and 80.102.210.145 (plus I am reporting here 92:191.197.200 cause it's evidently Dreom). The problem is that he likely has others.

I have other socks and evidence, but for now I think it's good. Barjimoa ( talk) 09:53, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

As I mentioned in your previous post in WP:ANI that’s already been closed, I’m not the sockpuppet to these accounts, not to mention that I never even edited half the articles you mentioned in your last post, and the articles that I have personally edited as well as the article I’m trying to create don’t seem to match those from the sockpuppet accounts you mentioned. And for the sake of authenticity I hope this sockpuppet investigation is 100% accurate ( Discopleasant ( talk) 15:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)) reply

Is this supposed to be a joke or what is really wrong with you? First of all, who is even that guy?

Second, how do I have a Portuguese name if I have A GALICIAN SPANISH NAME? Lucense is the Demonym of Lugo, my hometown. lol.

Third and now to end this, yes please, check my account to see if I do have any connection with this "sockpuppet" ... I have been editing Wikipedia since 2020 with 0 blocks and now a random guy claims that I'm a sockpuppet?

PS: Also check my IP address. It's not even related by numbers or by ISP. Shame on you. LucenseLugo ( talk) 22:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC) reply

This is the most obvious one, his agenda and (aggressive) language is typical of James/Venezia. I and other 2 users have independently realized it's him. His socks are active (and being blocked) since before 2020, some also managed to avoid block for an extensive period of time (Venezia), so that is not an argument. Sufficient evidence has been listed above by the second user who realized it was him ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Spanish_Empire&diff=prev&oldid=1173297720&title=Talk%3ASpanish_Empire&diffonly=1) but I have more if needed. For example, putting wrong maps with a bigger Spanish empire at that page and pushing for an "anachronous map" (peculiar term used by these socks) at talk:Spanish Empire was a big thing of Venezia/James and this user did that (you can ask TompaDompa ( talk). He has also edited 13 times the Olivenza page, another peculiar one targeted by Venezia/James and his socks, with the usual agenda (I don't know the details of this but apparently some parts of this place are disputed between Portugal and Spain, that's why it's edited by the socks). Other IPs of James/Venezia have edited linguistic pages deleting Catalan/Aragonese names for Spanish ones like LucenseLugo. I can go on, but I think admins can control his language, agenda and also the IPs he has used with this account (altough the IP is one indicator only, keep in mind he uses many, he may be sure about it because he probably has others the admins have not connected to him already). Barjimoa ( talk) 07:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Just to let you know, I have spotted several IP's and a couple of users with identical behavior and language. I believe they all stem from a currently vanished user, HardstyleGB, who later on changed his name to TechnicianGB and is now Vanished_user_4afd12r8rh7r5t6r45tr41k8r54dtr56l0e You can see his contributions here: /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/Vanished_user_4afd12r8rh7r5t6r45tr41k8r54dtr56l0e. Notice that this user was charged with having used IP sockpuppets back in 2015 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Valencian_language&diff=prev&oldid=673068670) and has quite clearly continued to use IP socks ever since (compare /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/31.4.230.157 and TechnicianGB's contributions in the talk page of "Valencian language" in the days around). As you may check from his editing history, this user had the same behavioral traits as the users above and LucenseLugo in particular: a tendency to promote Spanish chauvinism; agressive language; a tendency to edit warring (in fact, the majority of LucenseLugo's edits have been reverted); an obsession with deleting names in co-official languages of Spain and substituting them for their Spanish equivalent; an obsession with trying to make Catalan and Valencian look like different languages (thereby endorsing a highly pseudoscientific doctrine); weird usage of the verb "to put" as if it were a synonym of "to add" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Vinalop%C3%B3_Mitj%C3%A0&diff=prev&oldid=1125017018 or https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Valencian_Community&diff=prev&oldid=1125016432, among many others; compare with https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Languages_of_Spain&diff=prev&oldid=1228082775); excessive reliance on official and legal, rather than, say, peer-reviewed or academic, sources, and, related to the latter, a wrong understanding of what the Spanish constitution says about co-official languages. Here are the (more than possible) candidates:

a) /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/84.125.78.153 Same language as LucenseLugo/TechnicianGB/HardstyleGB.

b) Farell37 Like TechnicianGB/HardstyleGB, he shows interest in editing articles on Spanish climate trying to make the country look milder than it is. He seems to have corrected the use of "to put" that I described above, but he still makes some mistakes: ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Andalusia&diff=prev&oldid=1221630425 and https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Valencia&diff=prev&oldid=1221563808 for example) and uses IP sockpuppets with the same ISP and range as the one I listed under the letter a ( /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/84.125.65.195 , /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/84.125.68.205 , /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/84.125.75.91 , /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/84.125.73.115).

c) On the English wiki, this IP ( /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/188.79.226.237) and others from the same range have been substituting "Catalan" for "Spanish" here and there. It corresponds to this IP from the Spanish wiki: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:Contribuciones/188.79.226.237 Just like LucenseLugo, TechnicianGB and HardstyleGB, he unjustifiedly deleted several non-Spanish names from a few Spanish towns claiming they are "non-existing" (sic) ( https://es.wikipedia.org/?title=Patern%C3%A1in&diff=prev&oldid=161322850), he tried to make Valencian and Catalan appear as separate languages ( https://es.wikipedia.org/?title=Jaime_I_de_Arag%C3%B3n&diff=prev&oldid=161022692) and, just like Farell37 and HardstyleGB/TechnicianGB, shows interest in climate ( https://es.wikipedia.org/?title=Ecay_de_L%C3%B3nguida&diff=prev&oldid=159327022).

d) This user: /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/47.60.33.74 and this other user: /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/47.60.48.187 from the same IP range. The latter shares common interests with the user I listed under the letter c, which is clearly connected to TechnicianGB/HardstyleGB, whereas the former clearly acted as a sockpuppet supporting LucenseLugo's contribution in the page Valencian language.

e) This user here: /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/185.224.49.224 Compare his comment (in which he suggests deleting the names of Spain in co-official languages and, if not, to use the dual naming for Catalan/Valencian) with LucenseLugo's contributions in other places (in which he tries to delete names in languages other than Spanish and tries to split Catalan/Valencian in two). Notice that both have misinterpreted the Spanish consititution in the same manner: both of them think that the Spanish constitution mentions languages other than Spanish ( https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:Contribuciones/188.79.226.237, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Spain&diff=prev&oldid=1236288636), just as HardstyleGB or TechnicianGB did ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Province_of_Valencia&diff=prev&oldid=908800473).

I still have some further evidence (this person is not quite good at hiding), but I also have a life. I guess this should be enough. Agpshi ( talk) 09:25, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Thank you for providing further evidence, and yes the edits by these other accounts and IPs scream James/Venezia. For further reference, the blocked sock User:DrakeXper ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Special:Contributions/DrakeXper&target=DrakeXper&offset=&limit=500) had several similar edits on the climate stuff, another obession of his. Barjimoa ( talk) 10:06, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

I ask for any kind of sock/IP check or whatsoever done to my account. Just because another user/users have done similar edits to mines, it doesn't mean we are the same. In fact, I didn't edit the page Spanish Empire since late 2023 and I've actually only wanted to seek a consensus between other users as I saw the other guy got blocked, probably one of this "Venezia" guy sockpuppet or whatever his name is. I have replied to you in that manner because you accuse me of being someone else. I have never tried to pushpin nothing into the page Spanish Empire and I'm just making sourced and neutral edits in very different articles. What's your point?

As for @ Agpishi: he just wrote a ton of BS as has a massive bias against me, since I'm one of the only few users that notices his extremely biased Catalan-nationalist agenda, I can share here lots of proofs but this is not the case. Actually, that 1XX. IPs and the one inactive account I've had problems with in the past, really seem to be Agpishi. Once this is done, I will maybe fill a sockpuppet case for Agpishi. Oh Agpishi, are you sure have a life? It doesn't look like that! Once again, yes, I really want any admin to check my IP and to see if I'm related to your conspiracy theory of that chain of users. LucenseLugo ( talk) 14:35, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Also would like to do a specific answer to the ridiculous claim made above by @ Agpishi:

"LucenseLugo has a tendency to edit warring (in fact, the majority of LucenseLugo's edits have been reverted);"

Oh really? Well, we can check my contributions history then:

LucenseLugo ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Except for YOUR reverts because you hate me as I am against your very very biased propaganda (which you want to put without any consensus, nor sources and etc) I don't see my edits being very reverted. Strange, huh?

PS. I have also manually checked all of these users and IPs you claim they are me as well. First of all, we don't even share the same IP range. With most of them I don't even share the same ISP (and as far as I'm aware my ISP is a very, very common one) well this is a task for the administrators. So we can get things cleared out.

If according to you I'm always involved in edit wars, reverts, blah blah blah... why did I never been reported? Why did I never been blocked? Oh yeah... just because you are the only one that has a clear bias against me. I didn't know "Barjimoa" until now, he says I'm a sock of "Venezia Friulano" / "James Oredean" and you claim I'm a sock of 3 other users? Did I count well? And you made some kind of conspirational theory claiming I'm using 20 different IP ranges with different ISPs...

Once again, I really wait for an admin to check my account. And after that measures will be taken, don't worry. In fact, I have already compiled 2 different IP ranges and 1 Wikipedia user that acts, writes and edits exactly the same pages as you do. And guess what? He's the only one (besides you) who had several confrontations with me. Hmmmm, looks suspicious from here. You'll see it soon! LucenseLugo ( talk) 14:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

You cannot threaten anyone Venezia, I know accusation in a mirror is your forte, but it's blatant who you are and the fact that you are in bad faith. Leave User:Agpshi alone, your behavior and bullying is annoying and morally awful. With him and me it's now 4 different users who have independently come to the conclusion that you are James/Venezia and 3 have provided sufficient evidence. You really expect to violate all rules with armies of socks, prevaricate over others, and have no response from multiple people? Believe it or not there are good users who follow the rules, luckily for wikipedia and unluckily for you. Barjimoa ( talk)

LucenseLugo: you should know that Wikipedia has a policy of [ personal attacks]. I strongly recommend you to read that document. As you may check, personal attacks include this: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Joan_Ro%C3%ADs_de_Corella&diff=prev&oldid=1236413681, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Mystery_Play_of_Elche&diff=prev&oldid=1236413516 and most of what you said here.

Most of your edits have been reverted, that is true. This is, for example, the third time you tried to make the same edit in the page Galicia (Spain): https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Galicia_(Spain)&diff=prev&oldid=1181013026, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Galicia_(Spain)&diff=prev&oldid=1224445263, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Galicia_(Spain)&diff=prev&oldid=1236414186, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Galicia_(Spain)&diff=prev&oldid=1236414186. That is quite close to being a long-time edit warring.

As for whether the IPs above may match the one you are using, everyone has access to many IPs and internet providers over the course of a day. But if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Agpshi ( talk) 17:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Barjimoa: I have seen that "James Oredan" has caused a lot of trouble with his socks in Wikipedia and more specially to you. Your page was even protected because of him. I don't know you, you have to understand why I have the right to not to answer you in a friendly manner because you have directly started accusing me of being a sock of that user, you have never assumed good faith nor even tried to ask me anything. Anyways, I didn't break any kind of personal attack though, because I didn't insult nor say anything disrespectful, just that I'm pissed with your attitude.

Yes, one IP asked me once if I am related to "Venezia Friulano" and I told him not, I don't even know who that is. Reman Empire said I was acting like "Venezia Friulano" in the Spanish Empire talk page, where I've said to him that he can fill any report he wants because I'm no one's sockpuppet. I didn't edit that page for almost 1 year and my last comment was in the talk page trying to reach a consensus. And now you come suddenly after 7-8 months to say this?

Also, your "online rival" as it seems that guy is, edits lots of pages that are completely unrelated to my edits. I have been an user for 4 years, and just look at the types of pages I edit and compare them to James, Venezia or whatsoever his name is. What is even more ridiculous is @ Agpishi:'s claims now saying a kind of conspiracy theory telling I'm a vast range of IP and 3 other users, and none of these IPs nor users are even blocked from the Wikipedia, so now who am I supposed to be? A sock of that James guy? A sock of these other users or IPs which none of them are blocked? It just doesn't make any sense. And don't say I'm "bullying" that user because he is literally HUNTING my edits to revert them or to try to discredit them, just to push his clear Catalan Nationalistic propaganda. Proof: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario_discusión:Agpshi

Since other users have said this to him in the Spanish Wikipedia, he now thinks I'm some kind of sock of some kind of chain or... only he knows from who. And now he took advantage of this SPI to say I'm also this James Oredan guy, but once again, just compare the pages I edit and the pages these socks edit. He only wants to see me blocked because he thinks I'm some kind of user (or users) he has problems with in the Spanish Wikipedia. But I'm not. In fact, I have barely done 20 edits in the Spanish Wikipedia.

@ Agpshi: It's clear you are very biased against me. But it seems you have an "historical" dispute against other user (or users, I don't know) mainly in the Spanish Wikipedia, as you have proven above with your supposed "investigation" (you have even linked 2015 edits when I'm an user from 2020 and you are as well an user from 2020, so that makes me think you are an older user is now using a newer account) and 80% of your Wikipedia edits are in the Spanish Wikipedia where a lot of users have claimed that you are very biased when it comes to editing.

In fact, you're repeating again the lie that claims "most of LucenseLugo's edits have been reverted" (just check my history of contributions) but that's indeed true for your account in the Spanish Wikipedia, as it can be proven here: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:Contribuciones/Agpshi

I have read your duck example. Once again, it doesn't apply to me. Who am I exactly if that example is someone that gets blocked and then a 2nd account comes to directly engage in the same topic? I have never been blocked from Wikipedia. I have never used another account. I'm no one's sockpuppet. I sorry if you hate me but I will still try to make Wikipedia a better place and thus fight against your biased edits based on your political agenda.

Also don't make me talk about personal attacks because just 2 months ago you made a personal attack against me in the talk page of Languages of Spain with a prime example mentioned in the Wikipedia WP:NPA examples.

Why are you linking twice the same edit on the Galicia wikipage? I did 2 edits in late 2023 and I did another one over the past 24 hours. In the Infobox, only OFFICIAL names and NAMES THAT ARE COMMON IN ENGLISH have to appear. In fact, it was me who added "Galiza" in the first paragraph of the page Galicia (Spain) so even if it's not official, I didn't remove the fact in Galician some people use it as for example most of the Bloque Nacionalista Galego voters use it and that's around 20% of the Galician population. But even the official motto in Galicia is ' Galicia Calidade '.

And this is my last message in this ridiculous claim. I'll wait for the admins to check my account. So you will both see if I'm telling the truth or not. I am not sure about the other accounts mentioned by Barjimoa though, as I don't know and I don't care about who that James Oredan / Venezia Friulano guy/girl/person is. LucenseLugo ( talk) 23:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Precisely because I know James/Venezia well I can recognize him/you. And I don't believe for one second that User:Agpshi is "biased", as I said above this is an accusation James/Venezia and his socks threw around A LOT against all the good-faith-users who opposed his persistent vandalism and prevarication/gaslighting techniques. The only thing I agree with you on is that this is getting redundant, we have made our cases. Barjimoa ( talk) 06:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC) reply