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18 September 2017

Suspected sockpuppets


POV edits in Armenian articles. Already CU-confirmed and blocked. Blocked an IP too. Drmies ( talk) 18:04, 18 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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@ Drmies: Just wondering, Finley22 Waterman is the oldest account - should I move the case to them, or leave it as is? Also, would you recommend tagging? Thanks, GAB gab 22:43, 18 September 2017 (UTC) reply
  • GAB, shoot, didn't see that. Thanks. I don't know; it's hard to say if this looks like someone who'll be back. I suppose we should move it, yes. As for tagging, I always think tagging the user page should be a default so that editors who just happen to come across something can be aware more easily, and this case doesn't look like an exception. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 00:08, 19 September 2017 (UTC) reply
Additional request from nl-wiki:
Thanx in advance, MoiraMoira ( talk) 06:45, 26 September 2017 (UTC) (nl-wiki admin) reply
Thanx! MoiraMoira ( talk) 12:11, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
For the benefit of those that don't speak the language that should be called "Netherlandish" in English but ain't - and I don't - see Wim T. Schippers. -- Shirt58 ( talk) 09:59, 16 October 2017 (UTC) reply

11 October 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

[1] The second account's sole edit was to renstate an edit made by SadiqiBeg Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 21:35, 11 October 2017 (UTC) reply

[2] Third account has done nothing but revert edits by Ninetoyadome ( talk · contribs). Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 21:38, 11 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Per this these are probably socks of Finley22 Waterman ( talk · contribs) as well. Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 21:48, 11 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Fourth account is an obvious WP:DUCK. Same sock-ish behavior. Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 22:33, 11 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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I would also recommend adding:

Chao Lin [3] and Kareem Han Kwoon [4]. Ninetoyadome ( talk) 23:27, 11 October 2017 (UTC) reply


This is ridiculous. User:Quinton_Feldberg and User:Ninetoyadome are the ones removing content in a POV fashion on the article Mubariz Ibrahimov. Nonetoyadome is also falsely claiming that they are removing un sourced contents while he is shamelessly removing the content together with the In Line citations.-- Syong Lee ( talk) 01:34, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply

This investigation is about whether or not you have used multiple accounts abusively. It has nothing to do with content. Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 01:46, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
It's funny how there is only one propaganda site as a source for this ridiculous claim. Even President Aliyev said he killed 5 Armenian soldiers. Its funny how you keep creating multiple sock accounts just to spread this propaganda. Ieven stated in the talk page why that claim was inaccurate, but instead of discussing it you just create numerous accounts just to spread that BS propaganda. Ninetoyadome ( talk) 02:31, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
If you believe that I made any abusive edits, please provide reference to said abusive edits.-- Syong Lee ( talk) 02:11, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
Looking through the edits I found a considerable amount of POV edit pushing, Mainly by Ninetoyadome, whos edits are sometimes restored by Quinton. Such as here [5] they are pushing an edit to label the Sport Chovgan as Unesco Iranian heritage, instead of the original Azerbaijani, while the unesco.org link/reference right next to it clearly shows that it's Unesco recognized Azerbaijani heritage. There is also many edits by Ninetoyadome where he removes the Azerbaijani names of towns in the Nagorno-Karabahk region that is disputed between Azerbaijan and Armenia and other cultural heritage articles claimed by both Armenians and Azerbaijanis. Examples [6] [7] [8] Overall impression is that the account Ninetoyadome is used primarily for POV edits regarding topics involving Azerbaijan and Armenia.-- Syong Lee ( talk) 02:08, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
Removing Armenian terrorist organisations from the terrorist category like in this Edit? Seems an obvious Wikipedia:Neutral point of view issue.-- Syong Lee ( talk) 04:12, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
How come you haven't denied the sockpuppet accusation? Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 02:09, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
I said that it's ridiculous. It seems that by your definition, any new account that disagrees with your edits is a suck puppet.-- Syong Lee ( talk) 02:11, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
What's a "suck puppet"? Wikipedia:Suck puppetry is a red link. Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 02:15, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
You're jokes are great. I'm laughing in Spanish.-- Syong Lee ( talk) 02:18, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
A brand new account picking up right where an old one left off is an obvious sign of sock puppetry. The duck test would be good reading. Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 02:23, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
More like, meets someone in an online game that says the page for Mubariz Ibrahimov is being vandalised, makes account, reverts bad edits, gets accused of being a sock puppet.-- Syong Lee ( talk) 02:27, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
Unlikely. Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 02:30, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
Sure, coming from the person who is accusing me in the first place.-- Syong Lee ( talk) 02:36, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
@ Drmies: please block the WP:DUCK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quinton Feldberg ( talk • contribs) 02:38, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Quinton Feldberg see below. That they "are" ducks and should be blocked is up to an administrator. Whether SadiqiBeg/Suleyman are socks of Finley is a judgment call, and I'm not going to make that right now. I blocked the Syong Lee account days ago; I don't really appreciate being told what to do in the imperative. Zzuuzz, what do you make of this, and of the AZ account? Drmies ( talk) 16:20, 16 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

15 October 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

  Looks like a duck to me New account shows up to restore edit by previous sock. [9] Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 21:43, 15 October 2017 (UTC) reply

@ Zzuuzz: Still an obvious duck. Are proxies in use? Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 22:58, 15 October 2017 (UTC) reply
Indeed an obvious sockpuppet. There's some inconclusive things going on, including some possible proxies, and possible meatpuppets. IMO. I've left the other report open, as I'm also taking a look at it, but I'm not sure there's much to add. -- zzuuzz (talk) 23:01, 15 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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15 October 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

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Please merge with Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Finley22 Waterman. Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 22:15, 15 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Yea.. no. Not a sockpuppet.-- Dustum Khan ( talk) 02:20, 16 October 2017 (UTC) reply

  Looks like a duck to me Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 02:21, 16 October 2017 (UTC) reply
@ GeneralizationsAreBad: Thanks for merging. This duck needs to be blocked! Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 03:03, 16 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 Done. GAB gab 03:01, 16 October 2017 (UTC) reply

I'm throwing some blocks around. One editor I can't confirm as a sock is User:Sayın_up_dediler. Drmies ( talk) 16:08, 16 October 2017 (UTC) reply

02 November 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

The first edit was to immediately resume the edit warring here restoring the content that was previously inserted by the blocked account. I'll ping @ Drmies: on this, too. I daresay he's succeeded in turning a 48-hour block into an indef ban but I leave that to you. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:56, 2 November 2017 (UTC) reply

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Finley22 Waterman

Finley22 Waterman ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log) · investigate · cuwiki)

18 September 2017

Suspected sockpuppets


POV edits in Armenian articles. Already CU-confirmed and blocked. Blocked an IP too. Drmies ( talk) 18:04, 18 September 2017 (UTC) reply

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Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.


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@ Drmies: Just wondering, Finley22 Waterman is the oldest account - should I move the case to them, or leave it as is? Also, would you recommend tagging? Thanks, GAB gab 22:43, 18 September 2017 (UTC) reply
  • GAB, shoot, didn't see that. Thanks. I don't know; it's hard to say if this looks like someone who'll be back. I suppose we should move it, yes. As for tagging, I always think tagging the user page should be a default so that editors who just happen to come across something can be aware more easily, and this case doesn't look like an exception. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 00:08, 19 September 2017 (UTC) reply
Additional request from nl-wiki:
Thanx in advance, MoiraMoira ( talk) 06:45, 26 September 2017 (UTC) (nl-wiki admin) reply
Thanx! MoiraMoira ( talk) 12:11, 26 September 2017 (UTC) reply
For the benefit of those that don't speak the language that should be called "Netherlandish" in English but ain't - and I don't - see Wim T. Schippers. -- Shirt58 ( talk) 09:59, 16 October 2017 (UTC) reply

11 October 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

[1] The second account's sole edit was to renstate an edit made by SadiqiBeg Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 21:35, 11 October 2017 (UTC) reply

[2] Third account has done nothing but revert edits by Ninetoyadome ( talk · contribs). Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 21:38, 11 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Per this these are probably socks of Finley22 Waterman ( talk · contribs) as well. Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 21:48, 11 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Fourth account is an obvious WP:DUCK. Same sock-ish behavior. Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 22:33, 11 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

I would also recommend adding:

Chao Lin [3] and Kareem Han Kwoon [4]. Ninetoyadome ( talk) 23:27, 11 October 2017 (UTC) reply


This is ridiculous. User:Quinton_Feldberg and User:Ninetoyadome are the ones removing content in a POV fashion on the article Mubariz Ibrahimov. Nonetoyadome is also falsely claiming that they are removing un sourced contents while he is shamelessly removing the content together with the In Line citations.-- Syong Lee ( talk) 01:34, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply

This investigation is about whether or not you have used multiple accounts abusively. It has nothing to do with content. Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 01:46, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
It's funny how there is only one propaganda site as a source for this ridiculous claim. Even President Aliyev said he killed 5 Armenian soldiers. Its funny how you keep creating multiple sock accounts just to spread this propaganda. Ieven stated in the talk page why that claim was inaccurate, but instead of discussing it you just create numerous accounts just to spread that BS propaganda. Ninetoyadome ( talk) 02:31, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
If you believe that I made any abusive edits, please provide reference to said abusive edits.-- Syong Lee ( talk) 02:11, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
Looking through the edits I found a considerable amount of POV edit pushing, Mainly by Ninetoyadome, whos edits are sometimes restored by Quinton. Such as here [5] they are pushing an edit to label the Sport Chovgan as Unesco Iranian heritage, instead of the original Azerbaijani, while the unesco.org link/reference right next to it clearly shows that it's Unesco recognized Azerbaijani heritage. There is also many edits by Ninetoyadome where he removes the Azerbaijani names of towns in the Nagorno-Karabahk region that is disputed between Azerbaijan and Armenia and other cultural heritage articles claimed by both Armenians and Azerbaijanis. Examples [6] [7] [8] Overall impression is that the account Ninetoyadome is used primarily for POV edits regarding topics involving Azerbaijan and Armenia.-- Syong Lee ( talk) 02:08, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
Removing Armenian terrorist organisations from the terrorist category like in this Edit? Seems an obvious Wikipedia:Neutral point of view issue.-- Syong Lee ( talk) 04:12, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
How come you haven't denied the sockpuppet accusation? Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 02:09, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
I said that it's ridiculous. It seems that by your definition, any new account that disagrees with your edits is a suck puppet.-- Syong Lee ( talk) 02:11, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
What's a "suck puppet"? Wikipedia:Suck puppetry is a red link. Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 02:15, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
You're jokes are great. I'm laughing in Spanish.-- Syong Lee ( talk) 02:18, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
A brand new account picking up right where an old one left off is an obvious sign of sock puppetry. The duck test would be good reading. Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 02:23, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
More like, meets someone in an online game that says the page for Mubariz Ibrahimov is being vandalised, makes account, reverts bad edits, gets accused of being a sock puppet.-- Syong Lee ( talk) 02:27, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
Unlikely. Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 02:30, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
Sure, coming from the person who is accusing me in the first place.-- Syong Lee ( talk) 02:36, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
@ Drmies: please block the WP:DUCK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quinton Feldberg ( talk • contribs) 02:38, 12 October 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Quinton Feldberg see below. That they "are" ducks and should be blocked is up to an administrator. Whether SadiqiBeg/Suleyman are socks of Finley is a judgment call, and I'm not going to make that right now. I blocked the Syong Lee account days ago; I don't really appreciate being told what to do in the imperative. Zzuuzz, what do you make of this, and of the AZ account? Drmies ( talk) 16:20, 16 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

15 October 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

  Looks like a duck to me New account shows up to restore edit by previous sock. [9] Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 21:43, 15 October 2017 (UTC) reply

@ Zzuuzz: Still an obvious duck. Are proxies in use? Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 22:58, 15 October 2017 (UTC) reply
Indeed an obvious sockpuppet. There's some inconclusive things going on, including some possible proxies, and possible meatpuppets. IMO. I've left the other report open, as I'm also taking a look at it, but I'm not sure there's much to add. -- zzuuzz (talk) 23:01, 15 October 2017 (UTC) reply

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15 October 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

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Please merge with Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Finley22 Waterman. Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 22:15, 15 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Yea.. no. Not a sockpuppet.-- Dustum Khan ( talk) 02:20, 16 October 2017 (UTC) reply

  Looks like a duck to me Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 02:21, 16 October 2017 (UTC) reply
@ GeneralizationsAreBad: Thanks for merging. This duck needs to be blocked! Quinton Feldberg ( talk) 03:03, 16 October 2017 (UTC) reply

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 Done. GAB gab 03:01, 16 October 2017 (UTC) reply

I'm throwing some blocks around. One editor I can't confirm as a sock is User:Sayın_up_dediler. Drmies ( talk) 16:08, 16 October 2017 (UTC) reply

02 November 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

The first edit was to immediately resume the edit warring here restoring the content that was previously inserted by the blocked account. I'll ping @ Drmies: on this, too. I daresay he's succeeded in turning a 48-hour block into an indef ban but I leave that to you. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:56, 2 November 2017 (UTC) reply

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

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