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30 May 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

Very clear-cut. Cambria is oldest, so filing there even though Prinon is the most active by far. Legitimate alt account listed for completeness.

For the named accounts:

  • There's extensive overlap between the named accounts on a number of other pages, often obscure ones, often in quick succession ( [1]).
  • There's even more overlap in Prinon's userspace (without any objections from Prinon): [2] [3]
  • The only AfD Cambria ever participated in was filed by prion – their !vote came shortly after the filing ( [4])
  • Similar edit summaries ( [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11])

For the IP:

All three are obviously tag-teaming here. The amount of overlap between the three makes it near-impossible for this to be coincidental. Both the Cambria account and the IP (almost?) exclusively edit the same pages as Prinon, and the userspace overlap is very compelling. -- Blablubbs| talk 09:38, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply

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I happily confess but Cambria Math and A.A Prinon (Alternative) are my alternate accounts. I actually created account Cambria Math in December 2020. But since January, I stopped editing regularly with that account because since then I started to use my account A.A Prinon on my Laptop. Now I regularly use A.A Prinon as my real and active account. I use A.A Prinon (Alternative) account through my another device to perform test edits on my sandbox or A.A Prinon (Alternative)'s sandbox. All the similar edits above are true, but very few of them are abusive. The definition of sock puppet is - sockpuppetry, or socking, refers to the misuse of multiple Wikipedia accounts. But few are misuse, most are fair edits. The reason for using Cambria Math and A.A Prinon (Alternative) on my user page:

  • May be weird, but true. Once, my editing record on Wikipedia doesn't seemed to be good because only 29% of my edits were of main space. So, I decided that I would use A.A Prinon (Alternative) for building my user page so that the edits of user namespace don't count of me. I always considered both of the above accounts as my account, other than being fear of sock puppet. So while using another device, I was logged in to Cambria Math and thus edited on A.A Prinon's user page. And those edits were not abusive or vandalism.

Reason for participating at AfD:

  • I was just 1 month old in Wikipedia at that time. So, at that time I had very less idea about what AfD or sock puppet is. So, I thought that I could vote on AfD using another account. And while using IP, I mistakenly signed with Cambria Math, because I didn't come to know that I was logged out (while using another device). But when once I realised what sock puppet is and when I realised that I didn't do right, I stopped participating at AfD using multiple accounts since then. If you want evidence, you may see my AfD stats, where none of Cambria Math or the IP participated in the AfDs except the first two nominated by me.

In other cases where suspected ones made edits:

  • Once I stopped using Cambria Math. But when I use the device through which I logged in to Cambria Math, I sometimes forget to logout from Cambria Math and log in to A.A Prinon. As a result, even if I intend to edit a page through A.A Prinon account, I mistakenly edit with Cambria Math (because I didn't login).

Except the two AfDs, I don't think that I made any other misuse or abusive edits through multiple accounts. And if edits are not misusing, then its not sockpuppetry. I said these all openly with you all because I think telling lies won't save one. If one tells a lie, then he has to make thousands of lies. So, I hope you will consider. Thanks!  A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 10:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply

  • First, The reason for using Cambria Math and A.A Prinon (Alternative) on my user page: where have you made this disclosure? I do not see this disclosure at a glance of your user pages.
  • Second, But when I use the device through which I logged in to Cambria Math, I sometimes forget to logout from Cambria Math and log in to A.A Prinon. Even if this is accepted as true, why would you need to be switching between two undisclosed accounts? You've explained your rationale for using A.A Prinon and the (Alternative) account, but not why you're still using Cambria Math.
  • And while using IP, I mistakenly signed with Cambria Math, because I didn't come to know that I was logged out You refer to this edit? Most people sign automatically, using ~~~~. Are you saying you always go through the trouble to type out your signatures in the wiki format with the UTC timestamp?
    • I suppose for the reviewing admin I'd note that other edits on the main acct around the time [14] [15] [16] [17] (note the malformed timestamp formats, lack of padding zeros, and date/time mismatches with Wiki history) indicate that it may well be the user was actually manually typing out their signatures... So their explanation appears plausible. ProcrastinatingReader ( talk) 11:15, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Blablubbs: here's part of an email I sent last night to the checkuser (I mentioned this in the ANI thread), as I also suspect Chynapras ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) of being linked in someway to AA:
At the Autopatroll request, 21 minutes after AA made that request, the very next edit was by Chynapras to request the same thing. Both users have a similar userbox on their userpage, complete with info that they are Auto confirmed and Extended Confirmed users. Again, it seems odd that two new editors would both go to the trouble of displaying this. Another editing style I've noticed is that they add new parameters to the infobox of biographies at the bottom of the infobox, and not in the correct (or logical) place. AA example, Chynapras example.
Note that this editor is very much active today, including this request for another user right on their account.
I'd appreciate your thoughts on this. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:27, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
No, no. I completely disagree my involvement with Chynapras. Once Chynapras left a message on my talk page- See User talk:A.A Prinon/Archives/2021/May#Template help and User talk:A.A Prinon/Archives/2021/May#Template. I also reverted some of Chynapras edits on Imrul Kayes. See- [18].  A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 13:06, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
Chynapras userboxes are similar to me because once he did not know how to put such userboxes or templates. But I am from Bangladesh and Chynapras, we all live in same country. So that's why he asked me for help on how to put userboxes or templates on user page.  A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 13:09, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply

I am completely other editor. My user page looks similar to A.A Prinon because I didn’t know how to put template on my user page at first and asked A.A Prinon for help. Luckily, he helped me and maybe that’s why, our user page looks same. But we are completely different editors. Thanks for defending me, Prinon. User: Chynapras

Yes. I am completely different from Prinon. I already wrote the reasons why our user page looks almost same above. I am a completely different editor. User: Chynapras

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  • Pink clock Awaiting administrative action - The overlap, plus the votestacking, clearly make this illegit. Please block all three named accounts indefinitely, the IP for a month – looks like it's relatively stable. Thanks. -- Blablubbs| talk 09:39, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
  •  Confirmed but I was checking this with a feeling that it's too obvious to be deliberate abuse, prior to A.A Prinon's explanation and ProcrastinatingReader's followup. I had already found that the technical data supports a good-faith user who is basically trying to operate multiple accounts in line with the policy, including abandoning one and continuing with another ( WP:CLEANSTART) as well as operating a legitimate and disclosed alternate account. It's hard to describe the pattern I see but if I say it looks clumsy, I think other checkusers will be able to see what I mean. The problem here is that the user is bad at it, and also trying to manage logins on too many devices (I found four distinct devices and different browsers on some of them), resulting in accidental edits contrary to policy. In other words I find A.A Prinon's late explanation plausible.
@ A.A Prinon: as you've experienced here, trying to juggle many different accounts for different purposes, such as having one for articles and a different one for your user space, often just leads to trouble. It's technically allowed, but you've done so in a way that makes it look to other users like you're trying to appear like two different people, which is not allowed, and so we have to put a stop to this. I am blocking all three of your accounts, because your edits are against policy. Please decide which single account you would like to use, and prepare an {{ unblock request}} (see the guide to appealing blocks for advice) on that account's user talk page, and I will unblock that one account under the condition that you will not create any more accounts and will only edit while you are logged in to that one account. If you want to see your edit count broken down by different namespaces, you can use this tool. If you don't agree to these conditions then you will stay blocked, and any future edits you make from any account or IP address will be treated as block evasion.
@ Blablubbs: I checked the IP only with respect to collateral damage, and it is in fact quite dynamic and on a range where a block would affect a lot of innocent users. Not blocked at this time but I'll consider it if we find that A.A Prinon continues to edit logged out after this.
-- Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 11:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Ivanvector: I linked the wrong IP above. Well, it's also them, but 103.74.72.36 ( talk + · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · spi block · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser ( log)) appears to be them edited logged-out even today, after Cambria Math's retirement, has extensive overlap with the master ( [19] [20] [21]) and was even welcomed by Prinon, which makes it hard for me to assume good faith here. The geolocation is off, but the WHOIS implies this may be some sort of security gateway (Cloud Shield). I agree it's not the most egregious socking case, but it is clearly abusive socking. -- Blablubbs| talk 11:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Blablubbs: I'm restricted by policy on what I can reveal here. When an account is checked its IPs are also investigated, so I'm aware of what IPs all of the accounts have been using. I just can't tell you anything about it, so you'll have to take my word that I've acted appropriately. Like I've said elsewhere, editors from this part of the world with a common interest in cricket is much like fish with a common interest in the ocean. To abuse an analogy: sometimes you hear quacking because one pond attracts a lot of different ducks. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 12:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Ivanvector: That's fair – it might just be an odd coincidence. I have no objections to a conditional unblock because I do agree that Prinon's edits are largely made in good-faith and constructive, but I do think that they have to acknowledge that the use of multiple accounts was abusive, even if not deliberate. I partially hold that position because of their ANI thread here, where they stated that Even, if there is any investigation, I am well confident that there will be no result against me – they previously stated No, I haven't edited with another account, and only acknowledged having being a(n attempt at) a clean start and having socked in the past when under threat of sanctions. -- Blablubbs| talk 12:28, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Chynapras is  Unlikely. They have one network in common with A.A Prinon's accounts, but they also share that network with about a hundred unrelated accounts. While A.A Prinon uses a multitude of devices and switches between them clumsily (my earlier observation), Chynapras consistently uses only one, and often concurrently with edits by the others. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 14:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
    Added to archive for clarity: Chynapras uses only one device which is a device that none of the other accounts have used. Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 15:16, 31 May 2021 (UTC) reply

21 September 2021

Suspected sockpuppets


Prinon was blocked in July after a lengthy campaign of stalking and harassment against myself. Their last edit was on their talkpage on 10 September, with WikiInsect202 (WI) making their first edit the following day. A few days later, WI made their next edits to this article, one which Prinon had created. Their next bacth of edits, three days later, is to create this page, initially in draftspace, before immediately moving it into mainspace. It is almost a carbon-copy of this page, which was created by Prinon. In that, I mean the text can be transposed as "Z League will be the xth edtion, scheduled to take place between Y dates". Both articles have the "cricket in country" template in the footer of the page set as collapsed too. I don't think a new user would know how to do all this from their 8th edit.

Then comes the stalking, with a batch of edits to bios from about 03:40 this morning:

And finally moving to this article a few minutes later. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:55, 21 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Thanks Blablubbs for merging this into the existing report - I'd completely forgotten that they were socking BEFORE using their Prinion account. There's more at WP:ER/UC. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:58, 21 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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25 October 2021

Suspected sockpuppets


The sockmaster was blocked in early July 2021 for harassment (against me), under the account of A.A Prinon. This was originally for 31hrs on 2 July, before being changed to indefinite shortly afterwards, followed by an unblock and another indef re-block on 11th July. On 10th July, Orbit Wharf made their first edit. Within their first batch of edits, they made this edit to my talkpage. They initially created this account under the ID of "Tajwar.thesuperman", which was changed to the current name between 26th Sept and 10th October. Under their new username post-renaming, they post this on my talkpage. Basically saying "hey, look at me!" They continue to post on my talkpage, continuing with their harassment, which I tell them politely not to do. They ignored that (breifly) until another editor posted something similar.

Earlier, I had posted a message on User:Moneytrees talkpage about the new name of this user, which was reverted by Orbit Wharf. Moneytrees had been involved in blocking them from editing in the mainspace area, as you can see from OW's block-log.

The final red-flag was OW requesting increased rights to their account. They made this enquiry about autopatrol rights, similar to Prinon's request here for change reviewer. For new users, both requesting these rights early in their time here rings alarm bells. They even boast about "becoming an extended confirmed user on 9 August 2021" on their userpage - IE less than a month after their account was created! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:49, 25 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • From a technical perspective, Orbit Wharf is  Possible to A.A. Prinon, in that they geolocate to the same city. Reviewing their early contribs, every single one of the first batch of edits they made was to a page that had recently been edited by Lugnuts, and all but one of them had also been edited recently by A.A. Prinon. I see that as too much to be a coincidence - that they decided to round that series of edits off with a post at Lugnuts' talkpage looks like deliberate prodding. Blocking, tagging. Girth Summit (blether) 05:59, 28 October 2021 (UTC) reply

21 November 2021

Suspected sockpuppets


Similar style/editing pattern of the sockmaster (and their main sock account of User:A.A Prinon), involving continuing to following my edits around and a focus on cricket articles, with a focus on those that deal with Bangladesh and/or the sub-continent. Here are some recent examples:

Further continuation of hounding from just today with this and bizarrely answering a query from another user that was pinged directly to me. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:41, 25 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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30 November 2021

Suspected sockpuppets


Same m/o as before of updating fairly obscure cricket articles after I made the latest edits to those pages. Dormant for the most of this month, then out of the blue made edits to Odean Smith, Dominic Drakes and Brandon King (cricketer). You can see from the edit history for today on all three pages they follow the same pattern. And then on King's page, Chynapras adds a load of new parameters into the infobox like this. Note how they are all crunched up onto one line, and at the foot of the infobox. This is how AA Prinon did their editing when creating an article, or updating one (and this). Same editing pattern and style in both accounts. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:33, 30 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Chynapras was checked here and came back as unlikely to Prinon. These accounts interacted with each other a few times before Prinon was blocked, and they didn't seem to get along with each other. It would seem counterproductive for a sockmaster to threaten to get their own sock blocked. I do not think the evidence presented here (which could be explained by having similar interests and following each other's edits) is sufficient to overcome the previous CU results & the behavioural dissimilarities. Closing without further action. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 05:30, 2 December 2021 (UTC) reply

17 December 2021

Suspected sockpuppets


Previous account(s) for this user have been blocked due to ongoing stalking/harassment of myself.

Account became active on 4th December and their FOURTH edit was this post on Girth Summit's userpage. Girth has been active in blocking past socks of this user, such as AA Prinon and Orbit Wharf. Two days later, they post the same thing again on Girth's talkpage.

They then ask what is a autoconfirmed user? at the Teahouse. Previous accounts have been obsessed with gaining/collecting user rights on them.

On 8th December, they then post directly on my talkpage(!) with this request to create a cricket tour article. Pretty good to find an obsure redirect, and ask about its creation within four days of creating a new account.

They've been busy dicking around with their own userpage for days, with hundreds of edits. An earlier version had a load of userboxes, including the one hoping to be an admin one day and the Frankenstein ALIVE! one (that stands out a bit). It's also on Orbit Wharf's userpage prior to being blocked.

Their new account has gone to the trouble of creating an edit-notice, as did Orbit Wharf. The new account's edit-notice even has the same hand stop-sign that I use on my talkpage and its associated edit-notice. And they have gained a quick knowledge of article classes in their short Wiki-time here. And to finish it off, they've started to appear on my watchlist on cricket articles I've created, such as recent edits to Michael Neser. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 18:35, 17 December 2021 (UTC) reply

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03 January 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Spotanus was blocked on December 18th; this account was created on December 31st. As with previous accounts, they state that they're a Bengali who is interested in cricket [22]. Large article overlap with previous accounts [23] and similarly spends a lot of time fiddling with their userpage (with a knowledge of templates and formatting that one wouldn't expect from a 3 day old account). The username "Spotanus" was a reference to a type of fish, which they had a picture of on their userpage [24]; Niyander was originally named Carplet [25] and had a picture of a carplet on their userpage [26]. Spicy ( talk) 18:43, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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06 January 2022

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WP:BEANS. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 11:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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All  Confirmed to Niyander. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 11:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC) reply


08 January 2022

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Their one edit(as of this writing) was to post information about contributing to a closed discussion started by a sock of Cambria Math(Curassow). Seems curious that they would 1) find it and 2) be aware of how to ping a user and pipe links. 331dot ( talk) 17:02, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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02 February 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

I just reverted a couple bad typo fixes by this user, got a socky vibe from their contribs, and went looking. The most recent indeffed editor at Special:PageHistory/Wikipedia:Correct typos in one click/1 is Niyander, which brings me to this SPI. Compare this userpage version to this Niyander one. Then the current userpage to this by Spotanus. Between the userpage similarities and shared interest in 1-click typo fixes, I think a check is merited. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she/they) 09:01, 2 February 2022 (UTC) reply

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18 March 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Yet another sock. First started editing one month ago, with a similar patten of going to the Teahouse to ask a question, per their past form. Odd that a new user would know what "disruptive editing" is. Follows that up with this edit including knowledge of how to ping and asking about reliable sources.

Later then moves this page, relating to Bangladeshi cricket, showing knowledge of WP:COMMONNAME and using the usual refs of the Cricinfo profile (and others) in the edit summary. Then the cricket-related stalking happens such as this, followed by adding scripts to their .js page ( User:Cottonseed/redwarnRules.json and User:Cottonseed/redwarnConfig.js). The latter being something their previous accounts have done, which is followed by warnings to multiple IP editors about non-constructive editing.

And finally they start to edit on this article, again with the stalking, and a page one of their sock accounts (A.A Prinon) edited too, followed by more stalking. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:24, 18 March 2022 (UTC) reply

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-- Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 17:14, 18 March 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Two of the accounts in the "Behavioural evidence needs evaluation" group have no edits. The others have 1 and 5, respectively. That's not enough to do any kind of useful evaluation, so I'll just close this. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:24, 19 March 2022 (UTC) reply

13 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

"New" account that's been dormant since last August, but has become more active in recent days. Same m/o of previous socks, including hiding in plain sight with this bold question on my talkpage about creating articles on Bangladeshi cricketers. The two creations of Ashiqur Zaman and SM Meherob have the same look/feel of creations by the sockmaster/A.A Prinon account, including having all the parameters in the infobox all crunched up on one line, instead of formatting it correctly. Userpage also has similar userboxes, including the ALIVE! one that a previous sock account used as well. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 14:30, 13 April 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Girth Summit: - thanks for your comments, below. I've got some more behavioural info:
Tanvirnahid565 asks another user about the notability of a cricketer (an article I started) about 1 hour after this was posted on my talkpage about the same cricketer by a brand-new user, Arifulislam564. This is similar to the inane questions I got asked by various sock accounts of the original sock, such as this from Orbit Wharf. At best I think the Arifulislam564 account is the same as the Tanvirnahid565 one, and at worst, both socks of Cambria Math.
Now this Arifulislam564 account's one and only edit (to date) asks " I am interested to cerate..." The exact same typo is used by Tanvirnahid565 here and more interestingly on the creation of Draft:Bernd Zobel. Now what are the chances of this new account suddenly taking an interest in creating one-line stubs on Olympians using Olympedia as a reference? That same typo also crops up here as well.
And finally, there's the stalking. This morning from 07:20 to 07:24, Tanvirnahid565 made five back-to-back edits all on cricket stubs that I started ( Rafsan Al Mahmud, Amit Majumder x2, Mahidul Islam Ankon, Robiul Haque). A very similar editing pattern/style of previous socks, as reported here and here.
Let me know if you need anything else. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:18, 22 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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26 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Very similar style of username as per the latest confirmed socks from last week. Same style of stalking on cricket stubs as per other socks, such as this and this. Finally, same edit summary when starting this draft of "Cerate article". Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:31, 26 April 2022 (UTC) Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:31, 26 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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01 May 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Recreation of a deleted page ( Mainkar Chipay). Could be a sockpuppet seeing that User:Cambria Math has created numerous sockpuppets. See Cometty ( talk) 18:00, 1 May 2022 (UTC) reply

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a big apology I am new user on Wikipedia that's why I don't know Mainkar Chipay cerate a ban user. I am cerate this article again because i am new on Wikipedia so don't know it. now add a speedy deletion tag on Mainkar Chipay thank you Priyo Harry ( talk) 18:32, 1 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Also has edited Archana Jois, which was last edited and started by the most recent sock to be blocked. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 18:52, 1 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Hello Lugnuts really i don't know it's a bann user because i am new on Wikipedia sir so i don't know it.Forgive my mistakes because I am new on Wikipedia so i doing some mistake like re cerate article of bann user and edit a article of bann user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Priyo Harry ( talkcontribs) 19:03, 1 May 2022 (UTC) reply

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12 May 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

New account that started editing at the start of this month, pretty much straight after their last account was blocked.

Similar editing pattern to previous sock accounts of following my edits around and making the next edit on (semi) obscure cricket biographies such as this, this, this and this, etc, etc.

Another WP:DUCK clue was this stylistic change from "t20 Blast" to "T20 Blast" which brought back memories of this requested move by their main sock account (A.A Prinon). Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 14:11, 12 May 2022 (UTC) reply

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19 July 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

The various names of would-be articles on Pathaan are a subject of pushing by Cambria Math socks.

David Teckdens is an SPA who has created Draft:Pathaan (2023 film). Draft:Pathaan (film) was originally created by Orbit Wharf, who is an already blocked Cambria Math sock. Another SPA who worked for a while on Draft:Pathaan (film) is BachchhanPaandeyandAttack . Robert McClenon ( talk) 07:53, 19 July 2022 (UTC) reply

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  • As far as CU can tell, these accounts are Red X Unrelated to the proposed master and to each other. There isn't a lot to go on to perform a behavioural analysis, but what I can see doesn't really look like previous CM socks to me. There may be UPE issues, but that isn't an SPI issue in and of itself. Closing without further action. Girth Summit (blether) 10:09, 19 July 2022 (UTC) reply

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Cambria Math ( talk + · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser( log· investigate · cuwiki)

30 May 2021

Suspected sockpuppets

Very clear-cut. Cambria is oldest, so filing there even though Prinon is the most active by far. Legitimate alt account listed for completeness.

For the named accounts:

  • There's extensive overlap between the named accounts on a number of other pages, often obscure ones, often in quick succession ( [1]).
  • There's even more overlap in Prinon's userspace (without any objections from Prinon): [2] [3]
  • The only AfD Cambria ever participated in was filed by prion – their !vote came shortly after the filing ( [4])
  • Similar edit summaries ( [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11])

For the IP:

All three are obviously tag-teaming here. The amount of overlap between the three makes it near-impossible for this to be coincidental. Both the Cambria account and the IP (almost?) exclusively edit the same pages as Prinon, and the userspace overlap is very compelling. -- Blablubbs| talk 09:38, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply

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I happily confess but Cambria Math and A.A Prinon (Alternative) are my alternate accounts. I actually created account Cambria Math in December 2020. But since January, I stopped editing regularly with that account because since then I started to use my account A.A Prinon on my Laptop. Now I regularly use A.A Prinon as my real and active account. I use A.A Prinon (Alternative) account through my another device to perform test edits on my sandbox or A.A Prinon (Alternative)'s sandbox. All the similar edits above are true, but very few of them are abusive. The definition of sock puppet is - sockpuppetry, or socking, refers to the misuse of multiple Wikipedia accounts. But few are misuse, most are fair edits. The reason for using Cambria Math and A.A Prinon (Alternative) on my user page:

  • May be weird, but true. Once, my editing record on Wikipedia doesn't seemed to be good because only 29% of my edits were of main space. So, I decided that I would use A.A Prinon (Alternative) for building my user page so that the edits of user namespace don't count of me. I always considered both of the above accounts as my account, other than being fear of sock puppet. So while using another device, I was logged in to Cambria Math and thus edited on A.A Prinon's user page. And those edits were not abusive or vandalism.

Reason for participating at AfD:

  • I was just 1 month old in Wikipedia at that time. So, at that time I had very less idea about what AfD or sock puppet is. So, I thought that I could vote on AfD using another account. And while using IP, I mistakenly signed with Cambria Math, because I didn't come to know that I was logged out (while using another device). But when once I realised what sock puppet is and when I realised that I didn't do right, I stopped participating at AfD using multiple accounts since then. If you want evidence, you may see my AfD stats, where none of Cambria Math or the IP participated in the AfDs except the first two nominated by me.

In other cases where suspected ones made edits:

  • Once I stopped using Cambria Math. But when I use the device through which I logged in to Cambria Math, I sometimes forget to logout from Cambria Math and log in to A.A Prinon. As a result, even if I intend to edit a page through A.A Prinon account, I mistakenly edit with Cambria Math (because I didn't login).

Except the two AfDs, I don't think that I made any other misuse or abusive edits through multiple accounts. And if edits are not misusing, then its not sockpuppetry. I said these all openly with you all because I think telling lies won't save one. If one tells a lie, then he has to make thousands of lies. So, I hope you will consider. Thanks!  A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 10:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply

  • First, The reason for using Cambria Math and A.A Prinon (Alternative) on my user page: where have you made this disclosure? I do not see this disclosure at a glance of your user pages.
  • Second, But when I use the device through which I logged in to Cambria Math, I sometimes forget to logout from Cambria Math and log in to A.A Prinon. Even if this is accepted as true, why would you need to be switching between two undisclosed accounts? You've explained your rationale for using A.A Prinon and the (Alternative) account, but not why you're still using Cambria Math.
  • And while using IP, I mistakenly signed with Cambria Math, because I didn't come to know that I was logged out You refer to this edit? Most people sign automatically, using ~~~~. Are you saying you always go through the trouble to type out your signatures in the wiki format with the UTC timestamp?
    • I suppose for the reviewing admin I'd note that other edits on the main acct around the time [14] [15] [16] [17] (note the malformed timestamp formats, lack of padding zeros, and date/time mismatches with Wiki history) indicate that it may well be the user was actually manually typing out their signatures... So their explanation appears plausible. ProcrastinatingReader ( talk) 11:15, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Blablubbs: here's part of an email I sent last night to the checkuser (I mentioned this in the ANI thread), as I also suspect Chynapras ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) of being linked in someway to AA:
At the Autopatroll request, 21 minutes after AA made that request, the very next edit was by Chynapras to request the same thing. Both users have a similar userbox on their userpage, complete with info that they are Auto confirmed and Extended Confirmed users. Again, it seems odd that two new editors would both go to the trouble of displaying this. Another editing style I've noticed is that they add new parameters to the infobox of biographies at the bottom of the infobox, and not in the correct (or logical) place. AA example, Chynapras example.
Note that this editor is very much active today, including this request for another user right on their account.
I'd appreciate your thoughts on this. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:27, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
No, no. I completely disagree my involvement with Chynapras. Once Chynapras left a message on my talk page- See User talk:A.A Prinon/Archives/2021/May#Template help and User talk:A.A Prinon/Archives/2021/May#Template. I also reverted some of Chynapras edits on Imrul Kayes. See- [18].  A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 13:06, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
Chynapras userboxes are similar to me because once he did not know how to put such userboxes or templates. But I am from Bangladesh and Chynapras, we all live in same country. So that's why he asked me for help on how to put userboxes or templates on user page.  A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 13:09, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply

I am completely other editor. My user page looks similar to A.A Prinon because I didn’t know how to put template on my user page at first and asked A.A Prinon for help. Luckily, he helped me and maybe that’s why, our user page looks same. But we are completely different editors. Thanks for defending me, Prinon. User: Chynapras

Yes. I am completely different from Prinon. I already wrote the reasons why our user page looks almost same above. I am a completely different editor. User: Chynapras

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  • Pink clock Awaiting administrative action - The overlap, plus the votestacking, clearly make this illegit. Please block all three named accounts indefinitely, the IP for a month – looks like it's relatively stable. Thanks. -- Blablubbs| talk 09:39, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
  •  Confirmed but I was checking this with a feeling that it's too obvious to be deliberate abuse, prior to A.A Prinon's explanation and ProcrastinatingReader's followup. I had already found that the technical data supports a good-faith user who is basically trying to operate multiple accounts in line with the policy, including abandoning one and continuing with another ( WP:CLEANSTART) as well as operating a legitimate and disclosed alternate account. It's hard to describe the pattern I see but if I say it looks clumsy, I think other checkusers will be able to see what I mean. The problem here is that the user is bad at it, and also trying to manage logins on too many devices (I found four distinct devices and different browsers on some of them), resulting in accidental edits contrary to policy. In other words I find A.A Prinon's late explanation plausible.
@ A.A Prinon: as you've experienced here, trying to juggle many different accounts for different purposes, such as having one for articles and a different one for your user space, often just leads to trouble. It's technically allowed, but you've done so in a way that makes it look to other users like you're trying to appear like two different people, which is not allowed, and so we have to put a stop to this. I am blocking all three of your accounts, because your edits are against policy. Please decide which single account you would like to use, and prepare an {{ unblock request}} (see the guide to appealing blocks for advice) on that account's user talk page, and I will unblock that one account under the condition that you will not create any more accounts and will only edit while you are logged in to that one account. If you want to see your edit count broken down by different namespaces, you can use this tool. If you don't agree to these conditions then you will stay blocked, and any future edits you make from any account or IP address will be treated as block evasion.
@ Blablubbs: I checked the IP only with respect to collateral damage, and it is in fact quite dynamic and on a range where a block would affect a lot of innocent users. Not blocked at this time but I'll consider it if we find that A.A Prinon continues to edit logged out after this.
-- Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 11:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Ivanvector: I linked the wrong IP above. Well, it's also them, but 103.74.72.36 ( talk + · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · spi block · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser ( log)) appears to be them edited logged-out even today, after Cambria Math's retirement, has extensive overlap with the master ( [19] [20] [21]) and was even welcomed by Prinon, which makes it hard for me to assume good faith here. The geolocation is off, but the WHOIS implies this may be some sort of security gateway (Cloud Shield). I agree it's not the most egregious socking case, but it is clearly abusive socking. -- Blablubbs| talk 11:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Blablubbs: I'm restricted by policy on what I can reveal here. When an account is checked its IPs are also investigated, so I'm aware of what IPs all of the accounts have been using. I just can't tell you anything about it, so you'll have to take my word that I've acted appropriately. Like I've said elsewhere, editors from this part of the world with a common interest in cricket is much like fish with a common interest in the ocean. To abuse an analogy: sometimes you hear quacking because one pond attracts a lot of different ducks. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 12:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Ivanvector: That's fair – it might just be an odd coincidence. I have no objections to a conditional unblock because I do agree that Prinon's edits are largely made in good-faith and constructive, but I do think that they have to acknowledge that the use of multiple accounts was abusive, even if not deliberate. I partially hold that position because of their ANI thread here, where they stated that Even, if there is any investigation, I am well confident that there will be no result against me – they previously stated No, I haven't edited with another account, and only acknowledged having being a(n attempt at) a clean start and having socked in the past when under threat of sanctions. -- Blablubbs| talk 12:28, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Chynapras is  Unlikely. They have one network in common with A.A Prinon's accounts, but they also share that network with about a hundred unrelated accounts. While A.A Prinon uses a multitude of devices and switches between them clumsily (my earlier observation), Chynapras consistently uses only one, and often concurrently with edits by the others. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 14:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply
    Added to archive for clarity: Chynapras uses only one device which is a device that none of the other accounts have used. Ivanvector's squirrel ( trees/ nuts) 15:16, 31 May 2021 (UTC) reply

21 September 2021

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Prinon was blocked in July after a lengthy campaign of stalking and harassment against myself. Their last edit was on their talkpage on 10 September, with WikiInsect202 (WI) making their first edit the following day. A few days later, WI made their next edits to this article, one which Prinon had created. Their next bacth of edits, three days later, is to create this page, initially in draftspace, before immediately moving it into mainspace. It is almost a carbon-copy of this page, which was created by Prinon. In that, I mean the text can be transposed as "Z League will be the xth edtion, scheduled to take place between Y dates". Both articles have the "cricket in country" template in the footer of the page set as collapsed too. I don't think a new user would know how to do all this from their 8th edit.

Then comes the stalking, with a batch of edits to bios from about 03:40 this morning:

And finally moving to this article a few minutes later. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:55, 21 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Thanks Blablubbs for merging this into the existing report - I'd completely forgotten that they were socking BEFORE using their Prinion account. There's more at WP:ER/UC. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:58, 21 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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25 October 2021

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The sockmaster was blocked in early July 2021 for harassment (against me), under the account of A.A Prinon. This was originally for 31hrs on 2 July, before being changed to indefinite shortly afterwards, followed by an unblock and another indef re-block on 11th July. On 10th July, Orbit Wharf made their first edit. Within their first batch of edits, they made this edit to my talkpage. They initially created this account under the ID of "Tajwar.thesuperman", which was changed to the current name between 26th Sept and 10th October. Under their new username post-renaming, they post this on my talkpage. Basically saying "hey, look at me!" They continue to post on my talkpage, continuing with their harassment, which I tell them politely not to do. They ignored that (breifly) until another editor posted something similar.

Earlier, I had posted a message on User:Moneytrees talkpage about the new name of this user, which was reverted by Orbit Wharf. Moneytrees had been involved in blocking them from editing in the mainspace area, as you can see from OW's block-log.

The final red-flag was OW requesting increased rights to their account. They made this enquiry about autopatrol rights, similar to Prinon's request here for change reviewer. For new users, both requesting these rights early in their time here rings alarm bells. They even boast about "becoming an extended confirmed user on 9 August 2021" on their userpage - IE less than a month after their account was created! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:49, 25 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • From a technical perspective, Orbit Wharf is  Possible to A.A. Prinon, in that they geolocate to the same city. Reviewing their early contribs, every single one of the first batch of edits they made was to a page that had recently been edited by Lugnuts, and all but one of them had also been edited recently by A.A. Prinon. I see that as too much to be a coincidence - that they decided to round that series of edits off with a post at Lugnuts' talkpage looks like deliberate prodding. Blocking, tagging. Girth Summit (blether) 05:59, 28 October 2021 (UTC) reply

21 November 2021

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Similar style/editing pattern of the sockmaster (and their main sock account of User:A.A Prinon), involving continuing to following my edits around and a focus on cricket articles, with a focus on those that deal with Bangladesh and/or the sub-continent. Here are some recent examples:

Further continuation of hounding from just today with this and bizarrely answering a query from another user that was pinged directly to me. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:41, 25 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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30 November 2021

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Same m/o as before of updating fairly obscure cricket articles after I made the latest edits to those pages. Dormant for the most of this month, then out of the blue made edits to Odean Smith, Dominic Drakes and Brandon King (cricketer). You can see from the edit history for today on all three pages they follow the same pattern. And then on King's page, Chynapras adds a load of new parameters into the infobox like this. Note how they are all crunched up onto one line, and at the foot of the infobox. This is how AA Prinon did their editing when creating an article, or updating one (and this). Same editing pattern and style in both accounts. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:33, 30 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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  • Chynapras was checked here and came back as unlikely to Prinon. These accounts interacted with each other a few times before Prinon was blocked, and they didn't seem to get along with each other. It would seem counterproductive for a sockmaster to threaten to get their own sock blocked. I do not think the evidence presented here (which could be explained by having similar interests and following each other's edits) is sufficient to overcome the previous CU results & the behavioural dissimilarities. Closing without further action. Thanks, Spicy ( talk) 05:30, 2 December 2021 (UTC) reply

17 December 2021

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Previous account(s) for this user have been blocked due to ongoing stalking/harassment of myself.

Account became active on 4th December and their FOURTH edit was this post on Girth Summit's userpage. Girth has been active in blocking past socks of this user, such as AA Prinon and Orbit Wharf. Two days later, they post the same thing again on Girth's talkpage.

They then ask what is a autoconfirmed user? at the Teahouse. Previous accounts have been obsessed with gaining/collecting user rights on them.

On 8th December, they then post directly on my talkpage(!) with this request to create a cricket tour article. Pretty good to find an obsure redirect, and ask about its creation within four days of creating a new account.

They've been busy dicking around with their own userpage for days, with hundreds of edits. An earlier version had a load of userboxes, including the one hoping to be an admin one day and the Frankenstein ALIVE! one (that stands out a bit). It's also on Orbit Wharf's userpage prior to being blocked.

Their new account has gone to the trouble of creating an edit-notice, as did Orbit Wharf. The new account's edit-notice even has the same hand stop-sign that I use on my talkpage and its associated edit-notice. And they have gained a quick knowledge of article classes in their short Wiki-time here. And to finish it off, they've started to appear on my watchlist on cricket articles I've created, such as recent edits to Michael Neser. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 18:35, 17 December 2021 (UTC) reply

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03 January 2022

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Spotanus was blocked on December 18th; this account was created on December 31st. As with previous accounts, they state that they're a Bengali who is interested in cricket [22]. Large article overlap with previous accounts [23] and similarly spends a lot of time fiddling with their userpage (with a knowledge of templates and formatting that one wouldn't expect from a 3 day old account). The username "Spotanus" was a reference to a type of fish, which they had a picture of on their userpage [24]; Niyander was originally named Carplet [25] and had a picture of a carplet on their userpage [26]. Spicy ( talk) 18:43, 3 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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06 January 2022

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WP:BEANS. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 11:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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All  Confirmed to Niyander. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 11:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC) reply


08 January 2022

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Their one edit(as of this writing) was to post information about contributing to a closed discussion started by a sock of Cambria Math(Curassow). Seems curious that they would 1) find it and 2) be aware of how to ping a user and pipe links. 331dot ( talk) 17:02, 8 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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02 February 2022

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I just reverted a couple bad typo fixes by this user, got a socky vibe from their contribs, and went looking. The most recent indeffed editor at Special:PageHistory/Wikipedia:Correct typos in one click/1 is Niyander, which brings me to this SPI. Compare this userpage version to this Niyander one. Then the current userpage to this by Spotanus. Between the userpage similarities and shared interest in 1-click typo fixes, I think a check is merited. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she/they) 09:01, 2 February 2022 (UTC) reply

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18 March 2022

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Yet another sock. First started editing one month ago, with a similar patten of going to the Teahouse to ask a question, per their past form. Odd that a new user would know what "disruptive editing" is. Follows that up with this edit including knowledge of how to ping and asking about reliable sources.

Later then moves this page, relating to Bangladeshi cricket, showing knowledge of WP:COMMONNAME and using the usual refs of the Cricinfo profile (and others) in the edit summary. Then the cricket-related stalking happens such as this, followed by adding scripts to their .js page ( User:Cottonseed/redwarnRules.json and User:Cottonseed/redwarnConfig.js). The latter being something their previous accounts have done, which is followed by warnings to multiple IP editors about non-constructive editing.

And finally they start to edit on this article, again with the stalking, and a page one of their sock accounts (A.A Prinon) edited too, followed by more stalking. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:24, 18 March 2022 (UTC) reply

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-- Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 17:14, 18 March 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Two of the accounts in the "Behavioural evidence needs evaluation" group have no edits. The others have 1 and 5, respectively. That's not enough to do any kind of useful evaluation, so I'll just close this. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:24, 19 March 2022 (UTC) reply

13 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

"New" account that's been dormant since last August, but has become more active in recent days. Same m/o of previous socks, including hiding in plain sight with this bold question on my talkpage about creating articles on Bangladeshi cricketers. The two creations of Ashiqur Zaman and SM Meherob have the same look/feel of creations by the sockmaster/A.A Prinon account, including having all the parameters in the infobox all crunched up on one line, instead of formatting it correctly. Userpage also has similar userboxes, including the ALIVE! one that a previous sock account used as well. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 14:30, 13 April 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Girth Summit: - thanks for your comments, below. I've got some more behavioural info:
Tanvirnahid565 asks another user about the notability of a cricketer (an article I started) about 1 hour after this was posted on my talkpage about the same cricketer by a brand-new user, Arifulislam564. This is similar to the inane questions I got asked by various sock accounts of the original sock, such as this from Orbit Wharf. At best I think the Arifulislam564 account is the same as the Tanvirnahid565 one, and at worst, both socks of Cambria Math.
Now this Arifulislam564 account's one and only edit (to date) asks " I am interested to cerate..." The exact same typo is used by Tanvirnahid565 here and more interestingly on the creation of Draft:Bernd Zobel. Now what are the chances of this new account suddenly taking an interest in creating one-line stubs on Olympians using Olympedia as a reference? That same typo also crops up here as well.
And finally, there's the stalking. This morning from 07:20 to 07:24, Tanvirnahid565 made five back-to-back edits all on cricket stubs that I started ( Rafsan Al Mahmud, Amit Majumder x2, Mahidul Islam Ankon, Robiul Haque). A very similar editing pattern/style of previous socks, as reported here and here.
Let me know if you need anything else. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:18, 22 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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26 April 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Very similar style of username as per the latest confirmed socks from last week. Same style of stalking on cricket stubs as per other socks, such as this and this. Finally, same edit summary when starting this draft of "Cerate article". Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:31, 26 April 2022 (UTC) Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:31, 26 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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01 May 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Recreation of a deleted page ( Mainkar Chipay). Could be a sockpuppet seeing that User:Cambria Math has created numerous sockpuppets. See Cometty ( talk) 18:00, 1 May 2022 (UTC) reply

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a big apology I am new user on Wikipedia that's why I don't know Mainkar Chipay cerate a ban user. I am cerate this article again because i am new on Wikipedia so don't know it. now add a speedy deletion tag on Mainkar Chipay thank you Priyo Harry ( talk) 18:32, 1 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Also has edited Archana Jois, which was last edited and started by the most recent sock to be blocked. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 18:52, 1 May 2022 (UTC) reply

Hello Lugnuts really i don't know it's a bann user because i am new on Wikipedia sir so i don't know it.Forgive my mistakes because I am new on Wikipedia so i doing some mistake like re cerate article of bann user and edit a article of bann user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Priyo Harry ( talkcontribs) 19:03, 1 May 2022 (UTC) reply

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12 May 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

New account that started editing at the start of this month, pretty much straight after their last account was blocked.

Similar editing pattern to previous sock accounts of following my edits around and making the next edit on (semi) obscure cricket biographies such as this, this, this and this, etc, etc.

Another WP:DUCK clue was this stylistic change from "t20 Blast" to "T20 Blast" which brought back memories of this requested move by their main sock account (A.A Prinon). Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 14:11, 12 May 2022 (UTC) reply

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19 July 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

The various names of would-be articles on Pathaan are a subject of pushing by Cambria Math socks.

David Teckdens is an SPA who has created Draft:Pathaan (2023 film). Draft:Pathaan (film) was originally created by Orbit Wharf, who is an already blocked Cambria Math sock. Another SPA who worked for a while on Draft:Pathaan (film) is BachchhanPaandeyandAttack . Robert McClenon ( talk) 07:53, 19 July 2022 (UTC) reply

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  • As far as CU can tell, these accounts are Red X Unrelated to the proposed master and to each other. There isn't a lot to go on to perform a behavioural analysis, but what I can see doesn't really look like previous CM socks to me. There may be UPE issues, but that isn't an SPI issue in and of itself. Closing without further action. Girth Summit (blether) 10:09, 19 July 2022 (UTC) reply


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