Mediation of this dispute has been completed. The case pages should not be edited.
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Failed. Case consisted of two conflicting views. Only proponent of one of the views backed out.
The whole problem centers on GMcGath failing to realize that this is an international article on the individual Scout, not the whole movement and certainly not any individual Scout association, the BSA in this case. Members of the Scouting project have been self-policing this article to maintain this focus for months--for just one example see [1]. GMcGath also accuses us of deleting his paragraph; he fails to understand that was moved unaltered to a more appropriate article, Scouting; the Conceptual influences section which is more appropriate than membership. There is a difference in delete and move. His accusation that this was vandalism is out of place, wrong, and a violation of WP:CIVIL as it's a content dispute, which wiki considers different from vandalism. This shows our goal is the most appropriate article vice censorship. There also the FA Boy Scouts of America membership controversies, which we support, more evidence we are not trying hide issues about the BSA, just maintain article focus. When Horus cordialy tried to discuss it on GMcGath's talk page, his response was "Your placing a message on my personal message page instead of discussing the issue here was entirely out of place.", which I think was inappropriate. Horus made a good faith effort to resolve the issue. GMcGath also asked the "regulars" to not respond to RFC2, which is a violation of community spirit. Venue shopping, GMcGath also tried to get this into the BSAMC article, which someone else removed. Then he files this mediation case, which is his right, but also looks like he's shopping around. Keep in mind during this whole time, he's garnered one "weak include", one include and several opposed. If we include a BSA specific link here, where would we draw the line on other association-specific artiles? There are 150 or so Scout associations around the world. The BSA article has a controversy section with a link to the BSAMC article. This issue also effects the entire movement (Cubs, Rovers, Venturers,etc), not just the Boy Scout section. All member WOSM orgs have a religion requirement, but the details and consequences differ and are out of scope of this article. A section in Scouting or even a separate "Religion in Scouting" article would be better.
(Ping) Hello, ^demon? It's been two weeks since the initial request... GMcGath 17:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
It's obvious that the mediation committee is seriously understaffed, and that the number of Wikipedia cliques aggressively protecting their turf against any material they don't like is growing. Wikipedia was fun for a while, but has ceased to be. I stuck out the waiting this long because the dishonesty of people live Rlevse is surely symptomatic of the way they treat the children who are given to their charge. No doubt they'll continue to teach kids that any non-theist cannot be "the best type of citizen," and continue to make the Wikipedia pages look as if no one cares that they are teaching this lie. But there are better ways for me to fight this kind of small-mindedness than to engage in revert wars with the Boy Scouts or wait for a mediation that is never going to happen. Go ahead and post all the whitewashes you want, Rlevse and Horus Kol; Wikipedia is going down the drain anyway. GMcGath 15:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Mediation of this dispute has been completed. The case pages should not be edited.
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Failed. Case consisted of two conflicting views. Only proponent of one of the views backed out.
The whole problem centers on GMcGath failing to realize that this is an international article on the individual Scout, not the whole movement and certainly not any individual Scout association, the BSA in this case. Members of the Scouting project have been self-policing this article to maintain this focus for months--for just one example see [1]. GMcGath also accuses us of deleting his paragraph; he fails to understand that was moved unaltered to a more appropriate article, Scouting; the Conceptual influences section which is more appropriate than membership. There is a difference in delete and move. His accusation that this was vandalism is out of place, wrong, and a violation of WP:CIVIL as it's a content dispute, which wiki considers different from vandalism. This shows our goal is the most appropriate article vice censorship. There also the FA Boy Scouts of America membership controversies, which we support, more evidence we are not trying hide issues about the BSA, just maintain article focus. When Horus cordialy tried to discuss it on GMcGath's talk page, his response was "Your placing a message on my personal message page instead of discussing the issue here was entirely out of place.", which I think was inappropriate. Horus made a good faith effort to resolve the issue. GMcGath also asked the "regulars" to not respond to RFC2, which is a violation of community spirit. Venue shopping, GMcGath also tried to get this into the BSAMC article, which someone else removed. Then he files this mediation case, which is his right, but also looks like he's shopping around. Keep in mind during this whole time, he's garnered one "weak include", one include and several opposed. If we include a BSA specific link here, where would we draw the line on other association-specific artiles? There are 150 or so Scout associations around the world. The BSA article has a controversy section with a link to the BSAMC article. This issue also effects the entire movement (Cubs, Rovers, Venturers,etc), not just the Boy Scout section. All member WOSM orgs have a religion requirement, but the details and consequences differ and are out of scope of this article. A section in Scouting or even a separate "Religion in Scouting" article would be better.
(Ping) Hello, ^demon? It's been two weeks since the initial request... GMcGath 17:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
It's obvious that the mediation committee is seriously understaffed, and that the number of Wikipedia cliques aggressively protecting their turf against any material they don't like is growing. Wikipedia was fun for a while, but has ceased to be. I stuck out the waiting this long because the dishonesty of people live Rlevse is surely symptomatic of the way they treat the children who are given to their charge. No doubt they'll continue to teach kids that any non-theist cannot be "the best type of citizen," and continue to make the Wikipedia pages look as if no one cares that they are teaching this lie. But there are better ways for me to fight this kind of small-mindedness than to engage in revert wars with the Boy Scouts or wait for a mediation that is never going to happen. Go ahead and post all the whitewashes you want, Rlevse and Horus Kol; Wikipedia is going down the drain anyway. GMcGath 15:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)