evidence submitted by
CheeseDreams 23:55, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Odd, is it not--the same handful of bad apples seem to enjoy making trouble with everyone. Power tends to corrupt
172.130.99.47 22:57, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Response
This is a summary written by the user whose conduct is disputed, or by other users who think that the dispute is unjustified and that the above summary is biased or incomplete.
This is simply NOT true! Where is the evidence for this? How come I and this NahChips-character have different IP's?
This is a summary written by users not directly involved with the dispute but who would like to add an outside view of the dispute.
Regarding the evidence of the disputed behavior cited above:
Points 3 and 4 are in poor taste, but would not be particularly serious offenses by themselves.
Point 5 is simply a legitimate challenge to the content of
Category:Gay icons (although it is mistaken, because the category includes people like Ellen DeGeneres and Liberace). This point is not evidence of anything improper.
However, Point 1 is evidence of behavior that is absolutely inappropriate, and consistent with the comments of NahChyps (who was justifiably blocked for vandalism).
He can say whatever he wants, as per our country's Constitution.
68.36.175.254 02:56, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
True, he can. But here at Wikipedia we demand a certain level of courtesy, good manners, and tolerance from our contributors. Rienzo can say whatever he wants. But what he has to say is hateful and bigoted, and we don't have to let him say that garbage here.
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•• 17:24, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Fair enough, but take it from one who has been victimized here: I'm sure Rienzo was sufficiently pushed to lash out in anger. I don't agree with his views that the lifestyle of gays is "unethical"; still I support him for standing up for himself. Hyacinth can be incredibly demeaning and abusive. Even the most open-minded of people can be forced to sink to a low level where they have to be incredibly offensive to get their point across, especially here, in a place where opposing views are so routinely censored. This "Communist" project is rapidly following the lead of the U.S.S.R., Germany, and China before it--Communism, without a core group of good, honest people, always becomes fascism. The transformation here is well underway. If someone was smart, they'd download and save the entire encyclopedia, so that civilization can still access the info before it's made into a pay site. Hopefully, someday, a genuinely Socialist project will come along and replace the self-destructing Wikipedia, and its saved info could be used to jump-start the new, better common-property encyclopedia.
172.130.99.47 22:53, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
"I'm sure Rienzo was sufficiently pushed to lash out in anger."
There is no excuse for the things he has said. Bottom line. No excuse.
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•• 23:05, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
(In response to disruptive comments by an anonymous user that have been removed)
Rienzo sure as hell hasn't put more work into this project than I have. And he damn sure hasn't put in more work than Rick or David especially. You're deluded, my friend.
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•• 00:26, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
FWIW, I just got an email from Rienzo (I was one of the admins who blocked him for abusiveness) where he states "I am truly sorry for the rude comments I have made, and I hope to be unblocked soon. I will never commit these violations again." -
David Gerard 12:46, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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evidence submitted by
CheeseDreams 23:55, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Odd, is it not--the same handful of bad apples seem to enjoy making trouble with everyone. Power tends to corrupt
172.130.99.47 22:57, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Response
This is a summary written by the user whose conduct is disputed, or by other users who think that the dispute is unjustified and that the above summary is biased or incomplete.
This is simply NOT true! Where is the evidence for this? How come I and this NahChips-character have different IP's?
This is a summary written by users not directly involved with the dispute but who would like to add an outside view of the dispute.
Regarding the evidence of the disputed behavior cited above:
Points 3 and 4 are in poor taste, but would not be particularly serious offenses by themselves.
Point 5 is simply a legitimate challenge to the content of
Category:Gay icons (although it is mistaken, because the category includes people like Ellen DeGeneres and Liberace). This point is not evidence of anything improper.
However, Point 1 is evidence of behavior that is absolutely inappropriate, and consistent with the comments of NahChyps (who was justifiably blocked for vandalism).
He can say whatever he wants, as per our country's Constitution.
68.36.175.254 02:56, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
True, he can. But here at Wikipedia we demand a certain level of courtesy, good manners, and tolerance from our contributors. Rienzo can say whatever he wants. But what he has to say is hateful and bigoted, and we don't have to let him say that garbage here.
blankfaze |
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•• 17:24, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Fair enough, but take it from one who has been victimized here: I'm sure Rienzo was sufficiently pushed to lash out in anger. I don't agree with his views that the lifestyle of gays is "unethical"; still I support him for standing up for himself. Hyacinth can be incredibly demeaning and abusive. Even the most open-minded of people can be forced to sink to a low level where they have to be incredibly offensive to get their point across, especially here, in a place where opposing views are so routinely censored. This "Communist" project is rapidly following the lead of the U.S.S.R., Germany, and China before it--Communism, without a core group of good, honest people, always becomes fascism. The transformation here is well underway. If someone was smart, they'd download and save the entire encyclopedia, so that civilization can still access the info before it's made into a pay site. Hopefully, someday, a genuinely Socialist project will come along and replace the self-destructing Wikipedia, and its saved info could be used to jump-start the new, better common-property encyclopedia.
172.130.99.47 22:53, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
"I'm sure Rienzo was sufficiently pushed to lash out in anger."
There is no excuse for the things he has said. Bottom line. No excuse.
blankfaze |
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•• 23:05, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
(In response to disruptive comments by an anonymous user that have been removed)
Rienzo sure as hell hasn't put more work into this project than I have. And he damn sure hasn't put in more work than Rick or David especially. You're deluded, my friend.
blankfaze |
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•• 00:26, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
FWIW, I just got an email from Rienzo (I was one of the admins who blocked him for abusiveness) where he states "I am truly sorry for the rude comments I have made, and I hope to be unblocked soon. I will never commit these violations again." -
David Gerard 12:46, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Discussion
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this page's discussion page.