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John Kenney was involved in a revert war on the page in question - [1] [2] [3] John Kenney then
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One thing; some of the people listed in "Users who endorse this summary": (Mackensen, Chris0, Proteus, Neutrality, Rhobite, Antandrus), shouldn't be there as the page says that section should be used: "by the sysop whose actions are disputed, or by other users who think that the dispute is unjustified and that the sysop's actions did not violate policy." They should use the Outside Comments section as he admits he did violate the policy and it's a matter of record that he did. WikiUser 21:03, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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To respond point by point:
1. John Kenney reverted the page to an edit war version he wanted as his POV
2. John Kenney protected this version of the page despite in the revert war
3. John Kenney failed to put a protection notice on the page despite locking it from editing
1. In the protection log summary, John Kenney refers to me as a troll
2. In the protection log summary, John Kenney calls for me to be banned.
To speak more generally, I will admit that I probably did not behave within the letter of the law in protecting the page under consideration. If it is felt that I behaved inappropriately, I am happy to accept whatever discipline the community would feel it appropriate to impose. However, substantively, I think that the entire article in question is part of an attempt by CheeseDreams to hijack the Cultural and historical background of Jesus article. Further, I don't believe that CheeseDreams is a good faith contributor to the wikipedia. She has nothing but abuse for anyone who disagrees with her and is completely unamenable to any discussion or compromise. I had no desire for another worthless edit war over this ridiculousness, so I simply protected it again - it should never have been unprotected to begin with. john k 07:35, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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John Kenney readily admits that he did not follow policy. But this seems to be a one-off minor error. A mistake, yes, but certainly not a hanging offence. jguk 19:11, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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In order to remain listed at Wikipedia:Requests for comment, at least two people need to show that they tried to resolve a dispute with this sysop and have failed. This must involve the same dispute, not different disputes. The persons complaining must provide evidence of their efforts, and each of them must certify it by signing this page with ~~~~. If this does not happen within 48 hours of the creation of this dispute page (which was: 01:58, 2004 Dec 5), the page will be deleted. The current date and time is: 10:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC).
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This is a summary written by users who dispute this sysop's conduct. Users who edit or endorse this summary should not edit the other summaries.
John Kenney was involved in a revert war on the page in question - [1] [2] [3] John Kenney then
(provide diffs and links)
(sign with ~~~~)
(sign with ~~~~)
One thing; some of the people listed in "Users who endorse this summary": (Mackensen, Chris0, Proteus, Neutrality, Rhobite, Antandrus), shouldn't be there as the page says that section should be used: "by the sysop whose actions are disputed, or by other users who think that the dispute is unjustified and that the sysop's actions did not violate policy." They should use the Outside Comments section as he admits he did violate the policy and it's a matter of record that he did. WikiUser 21:03, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
This is a summary written by the sysop whose actions are disputed, or by other users who think that the dispute is unjustified and that the sysop's actions did not violate policy. Users who edit or endorse this summary should not edit the other summaries.
To respond point by point:
1. John Kenney reverted the page to an edit war version he wanted as his POV
2. John Kenney protected this version of the page despite in the revert war
3. John Kenney failed to put a protection notice on the page despite locking it from editing
1. In the protection log summary, John Kenney refers to me as a troll
2. In the protection log summary, John Kenney calls for me to be banned.
To speak more generally, I will admit that I probably did not behave within the letter of the law in protecting the page under consideration. If it is felt that I behaved inappropriately, I am happy to accept whatever discipline the community would feel it appropriate to impose. However, substantively, I think that the entire article in question is part of an attempt by CheeseDreams to hijack the Cultural and historical background of Jesus article. Further, I don't believe that CheeseDreams is a good faith contributor to the wikipedia. She has nothing but abuse for anyone who disagrees with her and is completely unamenable to any discussion or compromise. I had no desire for another worthless edit war over this ridiculousness, so I simply protected it again - it should never have been unprotected to begin with. john k 07:35, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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John Kenney readily admits that he did not follow policy. But this seems to be a one-off minor error. A mistake, yes, but certainly not a hanging offence. jguk 19:11, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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