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The user repeatedly attempted to pre-empt attempts to reach consensus by way of the VfD process, and actively avoids communication on substantive issues relating to his conduct. The complainants feel that the user should either give an acceptable defence of his pre-emptive actions, or undertake not to pre-empt ongoing VfD discussions again.
Early on December 6th, the user repeatedly blanked a number of pages that were the subject of an ongoing Votes for Deletion discussion, and inserted redirections to other pages which are not under VfD discussion. The complainants interpret this as an attempt to pre-empt the discussions on deletion. The complainants feel that the user may have acted out of a wish to provoke those who opposed the deletion of those pages.
Attempts to discuss this with him were rebuffed by a message to "shut up" in one instance and in the case of other users the comments were simply deleted from his talk page. This appears to be his normal way of dealing with disagreement. The complainants think that while this is fine on Usenet, it falls short of the commitment to communication to be expected of a Wikipedia editor.
While it would be wrong to second guess the result of the ongoing VfDs, the complaintants think that it was becoming clear by the morning of December 6th that no consensus for delete had begun to emerge. The user must therefore have acted knowing that he could not pretend to be anticipating a decision to delete, and the complainants think that the most likely motivation was that he anticipated that the decision would go against the proposal to delete, and that accordingly his action may have been an attempt to force the issue by provoking an overreaction by those who were editing the pages. --[[User:Tony Sidaway| Tony Sidaway| Talk]] 17:40, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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You all overreact and blow this out of proportion. I admit, I was overbold, out of line, and I have never been one for diplomacy. So what if I was ticked off two days ago? We all have our bad days. Don't make this out to be a crazily unnecessary crisis intervention as if I were addicted to Heroin and hurting people. Ban me, or send me back to editing with my tail between my legs and just leave me alone already. I learned my lesson. No need to string this along ad nauseam. — ExplorerCDT 18:24, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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Do I understand correctly, based on the timeline of the evidence presented here, that ExplorerCDT in fact stopped the behavior being complained of once the complaints were brought to his attention? Granted, the response to these complaints could have been a little less hostile, and the practice of removing comments from his talk page with rude edit summaries and little or no answer does not leave a favorable impression with me. But this is not, strictly speaking, against policy, as users generally have wide latitude in how they maintain user talk pages.
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Now that ExplorerCDT has agreed his behaviour was out of line and inappropriate (in his response), I am satisfied that we can put the issue behind us. -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 19:53, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
What the diffs don't show is that ExplorerCDT actually did this twice per page (except for one). Thus, he did not stop upon confrontation. When he stopped, he did not stop because he thinks what he did was wrong. He stopped because he thought that he couldn't get away with it, as his behavior in trying to resolve the dispute and his comments on his user talk page clearly show. The user has not demonstrated nor given any assurance, explicit or implicit, nor any indication, that he will not repeat this disturbing behavior in the future. Kevin Baas | talk 18:09, 2004 Dec 7 (UTC)
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In order to remain listed at Wikipedia:Requests for comment, at least two people need to show that they tried to resolve a dispute with this user and have failed. This must involve the same dispute, not different disputes. The persons complaining must provide evidence of their efforts, and each of them must certify it by signing this page with ~~~~. If this does not happen within 48 hours of the creation of this dispute page (which was: 06:32, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)), the page will be deleted. The current date and time is: 23:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC).
The user repeatedly attempted to pre-empt attempts to reach consensus by way of the VfD process, and actively avoids communication on substantive issues relating to his conduct. The complainants feel that the user should either give an acceptable defence of his pre-emptive actions, or undertake not to pre-empt ongoing VfD discussions again.
Early on December 6th, the user repeatedly blanked a number of pages that were the subject of an ongoing Votes for Deletion discussion, and inserted redirections to other pages which are not under VfD discussion. The complainants interpret this as an attempt to pre-empt the discussions on deletion. The complainants feel that the user may have acted out of a wish to provoke those who opposed the deletion of those pages.
Attempts to discuss this with him were rebuffed by a message to "shut up" in one instance and in the case of other users the comments were simply deleted from his talk page. This appears to be his normal way of dealing with disagreement. The complainants think that while this is fine on Usenet, it falls short of the commitment to communication to be expected of a Wikipedia editor.
While it would be wrong to second guess the result of the ongoing VfDs, the complaintants think that it was becoming clear by the morning of December 6th that no consensus for delete had begun to emerge. The user must therefore have acted knowing that he could not pretend to be anticipating a decision to delete, and the complainants think that the most likely motivation was that he anticipated that the decision would go against the proposal to delete, and that accordingly his action may have been an attempt to force the issue by provoking an overreaction by those who were editing the pages. --[[User:Tony Sidaway| Tony Sidaway| Talk]] 17:40, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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You all overreact and blow this out of proportion. I admit, I was overbold, out of line, and I have never been one for diplomacy. So what if I was ticked off two days ago? We all have our bad days. Don't make this out to be a crazily unnecessary crisis intervention as if I were addicted to Heroin and hurting people. Ban me, or send me back to editing with my tail between my legs and just leave me alone already. I learned my lesson. No need to string this along ad nauseam. — ExplorerCDT 18:24, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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Do I understand correctly, based on the timeline of the evidence presented here, that ExplorerCDT in fact stopped the behavior being complained of once the complaints were brought to his attention? Granted, the response to these complaints could have been a little less hostile, and the practice of removing comments from his talk page with rude edit summaries and little or no answer does not leave a favorable impression with me. But this is not, strictly speaking, against policy, as users generally have wide latitude in how they maintain user talk pages.
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Now that ExplorerCDT has agreed his behaviour was out of line and inappropriate (in his response), I am satisfied that we can put the issue behind us. -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 19:53, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
What the diffs don't show is that ExplorerCDT actually did this twice per page (except for one). Thus, he did not stop upon confrontation. When he stopped, he did not stop because he thinks what he did was wrong. He stopped because he thought that he couldn't get away with it, as his behavior in trying to resolve the dispute and his comments on his user talk page clearly show. The user has not demonstrated nor given any assurance, explicit or implicit, nor any indication, that he will not repeat this disturbing behavior in the future. Kevin Baas | talk 18:09, 2004 Dec 7 (UTC)
The followind discussion is from WP:RFAr: