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User(s) has been obsessed with reverting my edits which is disrupting at least my wiki experience. Users barely used talk if ever on some articles. They are using a "just revert till remote party gives up" philosophy. I virtually have to force all my edits through them. I received a stunning (and partial) number of ~50+ reverts (Davenbelle 20, Stereotek 30). User:Coolcat#Categories. Those are the ones I counted without "effort". User(s) have 6 reverts I get 3 via 3rr. They revert often regardless of the content. Revert reads "POV" or "POV vandalism". And their double standard is visible in many occasions. It is currently futile for me to edit wikipedia as they will find ways to revert. I'll discuss individual cases below.
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Coolcat has disrupted Wikipedia by refusing to follow Wikipedias policies regarding NPOV in many articles, and has been pushing a pro-Turkish/Genocide denialist PoV in many articles such as Armenian Genocide, PKK and Nanking Massacre. The user has often refused to explain his actions on the relevant articles talkpage, see: Abortion for a most recent example.
Coolcat has frequently violated Wikipedias policies regarding No personal attacks, and has exposed several users to extreme personal attack across several pages. Examples include: User:Stereotek and User:Davenbelle just SHUT UP and GO SCREW yourselves. [15] and Stereotek + Fadix = Death [16]
Coolcat has shown complete discontempt for the opinion of other editors and Wikipedias rules regarding concensus. Examples include insisting on redirecting the Abdullah Öcalan article to the PKK article ( [17], [18], [19]), disregarding the clear consensus on the talkpage not to merge the mentioned articles.
Coolcat has also been a frequent violator of wikipedias policies regarding civility, and has among other things used edit summaries such as: "Stop being silly, do you have some sort of sick wet dream to stare at a dead naked woman? Or do you enjoy staring at dead chineese?..." [20] and comments such as: "You cant read either, the color format is discussed above" [21]
Coolcat has frequently been violating wikipedias policies regaring copyright. Examples include the GAP Project article which he insisted on recreating unitarily, despite consensus not to do so on the votes for undeletion. Other examples of copyvios that Coolcat has been insisting on including are his now deleted version of the Diagnosis: Murder article. More evidence regarding Coolcats dishonest use of copyrighted material is available here: [22]
Another one of Wikipedias policies that Coolcat has frequently violated is the 3 revert rule, and according to Coolcats own userpage, he has been blocked three times violating 3rr.
Apart from these violations of Wikipedia policies, Coolcat has been disrupting Wikipedia by aggressively promoting a vast varity of odd ideas. These include insisting on using a very unusual colorsheme when 'mediating' in articles such as Greco-Turkish relations and Javier Solana see: [23] (this often despite other editors clearly rejecting this idea), insisting that wikipedians should be equipped with a 'startrek' rank [24] [25], and repeatedly claiming that it was HIM who invented the internet, the we as a community now benefit from. [26]
Stereotek's response to Coolcat's claims regarding my edits in specific articles
More evidence regarding Coolcat's violations of Wikipedias policies are among other places available here:
User:Davenbelle/Evidence re User:Coolcat moved:
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek/Evidence/Davenbelle's Evidence re Coolcat.
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I have attempted to talk with User:Coolcat about his edits and have explained why I have opposed many of his edits: [32] [33]
User:Coolcat is presenting himself as the victim when, in fact, he is the problem. He has been opposed by many editors on wikipedia because many of the edits he makes are ones that many people do not like. This is the second time in little over a week that he has filed this RfC; the first failed certification and as I write this, this iteration has also failed to be certified.
In April I sought to have an arbitration case accepted involving User:Coolcat (brought by Cc re User:Fadix) — largely due to Tony Sidaway's efforts the case was not accepted. see: [34]; excerpt:
I would urge all readers of this RfC to consider User:Coolcat's "contribs", to review the arguments made in opposition to his edits, and to examine the evidence that has been gathered concerning his behavior. I would also like to point out that since the ArbCom case involving Cc was rejected in April, I have not opposed his edits much (notably excepting his repeated invitation on his talk page to Stereotek and myself to 'go screw' ourselves) — basically feeling that I had done my best and that it was now up to others to deal with his biased editing. Yet two months later, while I'm on vacation, he seeks this RfC? I would also ask that readers consider just who is obsessed with whom.
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It seems that Davenbelle and Stereotek have been leaning on CoolCat harder than he deserves—though, in all fairness, CoolCat's blatant POV-pushing, combined with his generally confrontational and officious manner, have not helped one bit. Both parties need to cool it.
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Note: Coolcat tells me that his complaint covers only the latest revert and deletion of the Southeastern Anatolia Project. I didn't have anything to do with this revert and deletion, so I'm striking out my comments. Also, I thought Coolcat was commenting on an earlier revert and deletion of the GAP project that I did, but he wasn't. -- Duk 3 July 2005 00:42 (UTC)
I'm getting tired of defending myself over and over again regarding the
GAP project and its copyright violations. So I'll just say that Coolcat isn't being honest in his evidence statement number 5. If anyone wants more information, see
User:Duk/CoolCat. --
Duk 2 July 2005 00:16 (UTC)
And you know when you present as evidence of copyvio the fact that "at least a full paragraph" of a quite large piece of text is a verbatim copy, it makes me wonder what you're up to. That's an utterly unnecessary standard by which to judge a copyvio. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 2 July 2005 00:30 (UTC)
I would tend to agree with the view that Coolcat has been leaned on rather too hard. Having your edits reverted and opposed all the time cannot be a pleasent thing to have to endure. I have not signed the outside view above, however, because I would like to comment on the evidence above:
(more to come, I gotta go - gah!) Ta bu shi da yu 2 July 2005 02:37 (UTC)
While I do not have much time right now to answer more deeply(will maybe do it, if I have time, or at the very least if this thing goes further), I will give a short answer.
It is true that I believe that “assume good faith” is not respected when addressing to Coolcat, and that maybe this influences Davenbelle and Stereotek behavior with Coolcat. On the other hand, in all the cases I have witnessed those two members answer to Coolcat participation were not in anyway against any of Wikipedia rules(assume good faith is another story, but I will come to that). Reverting taste-type editions is not anything against Wikipedia rules neither. I don't see how while Coolcat taste on image sizes should justify editions, reverting it back should be evidences of misconduct from the reverters part. And above all, I don't see how the fact that one is followed by other members is an indication of misconduct in the part of the followers.
Where is the evidences of Davenbelle and Stereotek misconduct in accordance to what is accepted and not accepted in Wikipedia? One must not forget that Coolcat, unlike those two users, clearly was in the wrong in various occasions. And Davenbelle evidences page is just few examples among many others.
Now, coming to the "assume good faith." Of all the Wiki-etiquettes, the only rule, I have most problem with is this one. While this point is to maintain civility, in various cases it does, and can not, apply. Various of Coolcat edits were not in good faith, they were not just simple mistakes. No member here likes to be fooled, neither do any members will accept exchanging with a member that changes the rules on the middle of the discussion, and obviously lie on your face, when he knows you know he is lying. Coolcat lied in many occasions about himself, and he even has shown in one of his answers that all my concerns about him acting in bad faith were founded. The guy admitted having lied on him when he claimed to be an ignorant regarding the Armenian Genocide subject, while from the start he wanted to discuss as a third uninvolved party who did not know of the subject. This same user lied on peoples face by claiming to not be a Turk, and this after calling Armenians “Armanians” in many occasions and calling the Ottoman Turks as his ancestors. And after people started to clearly witness his POV-pushing, he decided to get involved in other articles, like Japanese crimes. He will later try to make worthless edits in articles, which are taste changes, and than cry when he get reverted accusing others of bad faith in his turn.
I can not assume that this individual edit in good faith, and it is my right to hold this opinion, what should not be accepted though, is that someones belief that another one is acting in bad faith, will make him transgress Wikipedia established rules. If I sense bad faith, and I am after a users edits, and if in my edits there is no transgression, no one can accuse me of any "crimes." I think the entire controversy here revolve around this and not on members sensed obsession in regard to another editor(who in this cases would be Coolcat). In fact, this is so true, that Coolcat, when posting this cases here he considers, the two users he is accusing, are acting in bad faith. Fadix 3 July 2005 03:55 (UTC)
Coolcat's response to Stereotek's response.
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I acknowlege I am not perfect. No one is perfect. I like to be pointed out my wrongs so I can better myself. I do not however like/tollerate being chanced around. Also I cannot tell what is POV and what isn't. As far as I can tell (my perspective) all my contributions that got reverted w/o a discussion in talk is wrong. While normaly a revert itself means "Woops something is wrong there", it looses meaning when something like that (below) is declared POV. So it reads in revert. -- Cool Cat My Talk 1 July 2005 23:12 (UTC)
* Diablo 1's butcher taunts as "Ahh... Fresh meat!" and challenges the player.
Stereotek with his response confirms my claim, users are assuming bad faith. At least thats how I see it. --
Cool Cat
My Talk 2 July 2005 20:51 (UTC)
Coolcat's response to Fadix's response. "Simply speaking, you are lying; and this answer is just another example on why you get many people in your back. I did not accuse Tony of being a revisionist, the closer I came to, is when I answered him because of the locking of the article on a version edited by someone that just appeared to make the edits you were after. He himself admitted that version was not a good one. And yes! I did not allow you making any edits, and I still believe you should not touch the genocide articles(any genocide and war crime articles, because you will just edit them to claim that you don't do this only with the Armenian cases), beside, there are three Turks there, and no one is blocking them to participate in a NPOV way. It simply is that you still can not comprehend what is POV and no-POV. articles are not about what is the truth or not, it is not to Wikipedia to decide what is. Articles are about presenting the [different] positions regarding subjects. That's all. You were always after trying to delete informations, like who believes what, and still you request this. For this reason, and many others, I requested that you do not touch that entry. And this only stick with you, and not the other Turks. And here, I was not the only one doing that, Thoth and Raffi were much more harsh kicking you out than I was. Let just say to yourself, that you were lucky that the arbitration cases was rejected. Oh and about the two users that are after you. They are patrolers, and I believe that patrolers are really needed in Wikipedia, and they SHOULD fallow people that their behavor they question. I have nothing to hide, and I will accept anyone going after me, if they sense any bad faith. And do realise here, that arguments like: "they're always after me" doesn't make what they do, against Wikipedia rules. Fadix 2 July 2005 22:11 (UTC) " (from User talk:Ta bu shi da yu)
Coolcat's response to Davenbelle's response.
Since you havent said much and instead pasted talk material I will not be resoinding to you much.
See Coolcat's Item #5 (above). Coolcat faults the copyvio people for the Diagnosis: Murder copyvio mess.
Here is the part he leaves out; he copied material from two different websites, eventually claimed he got permission from one of them, but couldn't remember which one. That is why the copied text was removed.
This has been typical of my dealing with Coolcat. He violates copyrights, is dishonest about the matter. He bitches, whines and complains the whole time about the people cleaning up his mess, while consistently failing to acknowledge his behavior that caused the problem. Then he repeats the whole process (the GAP project). Then, months later, continues to malign the people who cleaned up his mess, since copy vio people do not read size 28 text I cant quite help it.
The amount of time wasted cleaning up after Coolcat is substantial. But the amount of time arguing with him, and defending my actions regarding his copyvios is astronomical. -- Duk 4 July 2005 15:59 (UTC) -- Duk 4 July 2005 15:59 (UTC)
That's entirly untrue, and you know it. Your edits didn't stoped with minor changes, you have made important changes without even using the talk pages. And I had provided evidences when the cases was submitted to arbitration. Do you think people here can be fooled that easily? Besid,e ones ethnicity is unimportant, what is important though is respect and honesty. You lied about everything, and after creating all this problem, you told Raffi that you have lied about your knowledge about the topic, which made people much more furious and wanted you to get out of there. You can't expect being respected, when you lie on peoples face like this. Fadix 4 July 2005 05:37 (UTC)
Looking at the contents of this page, I think it makes the point very well that a number of editors have got a bee in their bonnet about Coolcat. While there have been some minor breaches of policy by nearly all participants, the main problem here seems to be a blanket refusal to assume good faith. One editor here even grants me magical powers of persuasion in claiming that an attempt to get the arbitration committee involved failed largely due to my efforts.
I urge all editors involved to cool down, and stop badgering Coolcat. This kind of behavior really is unacceptable, and it isn't excused by the fact that some of you are administrators, in fact that makes it even worse. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 4 July 2005 13:15 (UTC)
I don't why you are constantly accusing editors such as me, Davenbelle and Fadix of bad faith and "disgraceful" and "unacceptable" behavior. Wikipedias guideline ' assume good faith' doesn't demand or recommend that we should be naive and blindly trust an editor, that constantly violate policies by doing things such as PoV pushing, publishing copyvios, and using personal attacks. However, what I and other editors have indeed noticed is that you have been extremely active in helping and protecting 'interesting' users such as Trey Stone and now Coolcat, without showing any interest in cleaning up any of the mess that these users create. Coolcat has been lying straight to peoples faces, used extreme personal attacks and violated almost every policy that exist here in Wikipedia. What Coolcat has done and is currently is doing is not some "minor breaches of policy". We have already provided more than enough evidence for that.
Another thing is that I don't appriciate your attempts to make other editors here look like idiots by claiming that they believe that you have "magical powers of persuasion". What the editor said was: "largely due to Tony Sidaway's efforts the case was not accepted." This might very well be true because fact is that you where the only one that recommended, that the ArbCom should not accept the case involving Coolcat. An ArbCom case that Coolcat originally opened himself against Fadix. -- Stereotek 4 July 2005 15:37 (UTC)
Sidaway, can you please substantiate your accusations against me. When and where has I used personal attacks against you? I only attack/criticized your actions and behavior in my comment above, and for good reasons in my opinion. I think you should be careful about making any false accusations. You even accuse me of personal attacks against Coolcat. Again, could you please substantiate your accusations and provide some diffs? Evidence regarding my comments about Coolcat making untrue statements has already been provided. Please cool down and stop attacking people. -- Stereotek 4 July 2005 16:55 (UTC)
Until now, as I see it, Coolcat has been unable to provide a single piece of evidence that I have violated any of Wikipedias policies. I, on the other hand, has provided a lot of solid evidence and diffs regarding Coolcat's questionable behavior. But anyway, for now, let's leave to the ArbCom to decide about these issues. I'm sure that the case will be accepted. Thank you again for bringing it there. -- Stereotek 4 July 2005 18:52 (UTC)
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User(s) has been obsessed with reverting my edits which is disrupting at least my wiki experience. Users barely used talk if ever on some articles. They are using a "just revert till remote party gives up" philosophy. I virtually have to force all my edits through them. I received a stunning (and partial) number of ~50+ reverts (Davenbelle 20, Stereotek 30). User:Coolcat#Categories. Those are the ones I counted without "effort". User(s) have 6 reverts I get 3 via 3rr. They revert often regardless of the content. Revert reads "POV" or "POV vandalism". And their double standard is visible in many occasions. It is currently futile for me to edit wikipedia as they will find ways to revert. I'll discuss individual cases below.
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Coolcat has disrupted Wikipedia by refusing to follow Wikipedias policies regarding NPOV in many articles, and has been pushing a pro-Turkish/Genocide denialist PoV in many articles such as Armenian Genocide, PKK and Nanking Massacre. The user has often refused to explain his actions on the relevant articles talkpage, see: Abortion for a most recent example.
Coolcat has frequently violated Wikipedias policies regarding No personal attacks, and has exposed several users to extreme personal attack across several pages. Examples include: User:Stereotek and User:Davenbelle just SHUT UP and GO SCREW yourselves. [15] and Stereotek + Fadix = Death [16]
Coolcat has shown complete discontempt for the opinion of other editors and Wikipedias rules regarding concensus. Examples include insisting on redirecting the Abdullah Öcalan article to the PKK article ( [17], [18], [19]), disregarding the clear consensus on the talkpage not to merge the mentioned articles.
Coolcat has also been a frequent violator of wikipedias policies regarding civility, and has among other things used edit summaries such as: "Stop being silly, do you have some sort of sick wet dream to stare at a dead naked woman? Or do you enjoy staring at dead chineese?..." [20] and comments such as: "You cant read either, the color format is discussed above" [21]
Coolcat has frequently been violating wikipedias policies regaring copyright. Examples include the GAP Project article which he insisted on recreating unitarily, despite consensus not to do so on the votes for undeletion. Other examples of copyvios that Coolcat has been insisting on including are his now deleted version of the Diagnosis: Murder article. More evidence regarding Coolcats dishonest use of copyrighted material is available here: [22]
Another one of Wikipedias policies that Coolcat has frequently violated is the 3 revert rule, and according to Coolcats own userpage, he has been blocked three times violating 3rr.
Apart from these violations of Wikipedia policies, Coolcat has been disrupting Wikipedia by aggressively promoting a vast varity of odd ideas. These include insisting on using a very unusual colorsheme when 'mediating' in articles such as Greco-Turkish relations and Javier Solana see: [23] (this often despite other editors clearly rejecting this idea), insisting that wikipedians should be equipped with a 'startrek' rank [24] [25], and repeatedly claiming that it was HIM who invented the internet, the we as a community now benefit from. [26]
Stereotek's response to Coolcat's claims regarding my edits in specific articles
More evidence regarding Coolcat's violations of Wikipedias policies are among other places available here:
User:Davenbelle/Evidence re User:Coolcat moved:
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek/Evidence/Davenbelle's Evidence re Coolcat.
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I have attempted to talk with User:Coolcat about his edits and have explained why I have opposed many of his edits: [32] [33]
User:Coolcat is presenting himself as the victim when, in fact, he is the problem. He has been opposed by many editors on wikipedia because many of the edits he makes are ones that many people do not like. This is the second time in little over a week that he has filed this RfC; the first failed certification and as I write this, this iteration has also failed to be certified.
In April I sought to have an arbitration case accepted involving User:Coolcat (brought by Cc re User:Fadix) — largely due to Tony Sidaway's efforts the case was not accepted. see: [34]; excerpt:
I would urge all readers of this RfC to consider User:Coolcat's "contribs", to review the arguments made in opposition to his edits, and to examine the evidence that has been gathered concerning his behavior. I would also like to point out that since the ArbCom case involving Cc was rejected in April, I have not opposed his edits much (notably excepting his repeated invitation on his talk page to Stereotek and myself to 'go screw' ourselves) — basically feeling that I had done my best and that it was now up to others to deal with his biased editing. Yet two months later, while I'm on vacation, he seeks this RfC? I would also ask that readers consider just who is obsessed with whom.
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It seems that Davenbelle and Stereotek have been leaning on CoolCat harder than he deserves—though, in all fairness, CoolCat's blatant POV-pushing, combined with his generally confrontational and officious manner, have not helped one bit. Both parties need to cool it.
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Note: Coolcat tells me that his complaint covers only the latest revert and deletion of the Southeastern Anatolia Project. I didn't have anything to do with this revert and deletion, so I'm striking out my comments. Also, I thought Coolcat was commenting on an earlier revert and deletion of the GAP project that I did, but he wasn't. -- Duk 3 July 2005 00:42 (UTC)
I'm getting tired of defending myself over and over again regarding the
GAP project and its copyright violations. So I'll just say that Coolcat isn't being honest in his evidence statement number 5. If anyone wants more information, see
User:Duk/CoolCat. --
Duk 2 July 2005 00:16 (UTC)
And you know when you present as evidence of copyvio the fact that "at least a full paragraph" of a quite large piece of text is a verbatim copy, it makes me wonder what you're up to. That's an utterly unnecessary standard by which to judge a copyvio. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 2 July 2005 00:30 (UTC)
I would tend to agree with the view that Coolcat has been leaned on rather too hard. Having your edits reverted and opposed all the time cannot be a pleasent thing to have to endure. I have not signed the outside view above, however, because I would like to comment on the evidence above:
(more to come, I gotta go - gah!) Ta bu shi da yu 2 July 2005 02:37 (UTC)
While I do not have much time right now to answer more deeply(will maybe do it, if I have time, or at the very least if this thing goes further), I will give a short answer.
It is true that I believe that “assume good faith” is not respected when addressing to Coolcat, and that maybe this influences Davenbelle and Stereotek behavior with Coolcat. On the other hand, in all the cases I have witnessed those two members answer to Coolcat participation were not in anyway against any of Wikipedia rules(assume good faith is another story, but I will come to that). Reverting taste-type editions is not anything against Wikipedia rules neither. I don't see how while Coolcat taste on image sizes should justify editions, reverting it back should be evidences of misconduct from the reverters part. And above all, I don't see how the fact that one is followed by other members is an indication of misconduct in the part of the followers.
Where is the evidences of Davenbelle and Stereotek misconduct in accordance to what is accepted and not accepted in Wikipedia? One must not forget that Coolcat, unlike those two users, clearly was in the wrong in various occasions. And Davenbelle evidences page is just few examples among many others.
Now, coming to the "assume good faith." Of all the Wiki-etiquettes, the only rule, I have most problem with is this one. While this point is to maintain civility, in various cases it does, and can not, apply. Various of Coolcat edits were not in good faith, they were not just simple mistakes. No member here likes to be fooled, neither do any members will accept exchanging with a member that changes the rules on the middle of the discussion, and obviously lie on your face, when he knows you know he is lying. Coolcat lied in many occasions about himself, and he even has shown in one of his answers that all my concerns about him acting in bad faith were founded. The guy admitted having lied on him when he claimed to be an ignorant regarding the Armenian Genocide subject, while from the start he wanted to discuss as a third uninvolved party who did not know of the subject. This same user lied on peoples face by claiming to not be a Turk, and this after calling Armenians “Armanians” in many occasions and calling the Ottoman Turks as his ancestors. And after people started to clearly witness his POV-pushing, he decided to get involved in other articles, like Japanese crimes. He will later try to make worthless edits in articles, which are taste changes, and than cry when he get reverted accusing others of bad faith in his turn.
I can not assume that this individual edit in good faith, and it is my right to hold this opinion, what should not be accepted though, is that someones belief that another one is acting in bad faith, will make him transgress Wikipedia established rules. If I sense bad faith, and I am after a users edits, and if in my edits there is no transgression, no one can accuse me of any "crimes." I think the entire controversy here revolve around this and not on members sensed obsession in regard to another editor(who in this cases would be Coolcat). In fact, this is so true, that Coolcat, when posting this cases here he considers, the two users he is accusing, are acting in bad faith. Fadix 3 July 2005 03:55 (UTC)
Coolcat's response to Stereotek's response.
Extras:
I acknowlege I am not perfect. No one is perfect. I like to be pointed out my wrongs so I can better myself. I do not however like/tollerate being chanced around. Also I cannot tell what is POV and what isn't. As far as I can tell (my perspective) all my contributions that got reverted w/o a discussion in talk is wrong. While normaly a revert itself means "Woops something is wrong there", it looses meaning when something like that (below) is declared POV. So it reads in revert. -- Cool Cat My Talk 1 July 2005 23:12 (UTC)
* Diablo 1's butcher taunts as "Ahh... Fresh meat!" and challenges the player.
Stereotek with his response confirms my claim, users are assuming bad faith. At least thats how I see it. --
Cool Cat
My Talk 2 July 2005 20:51 (UTC)
Coolcat's response to Fadix's response. "Simply speaking, you are lying; and this answer is just another example on why you get many people in your back. I did not accuse Tony of being a revisionist, the closer I came to, is when I answered him because of the locking of the article on a version edited by someone that just appeared to make the edits you were after. He himself admitted that version was not a good one. And yes! I did not allow you making any edits, and I still believe you should not touch the genocide articles(any genocide and war crime articles, because you will just edit them to claim that you don't do this only with the Armenian cases), beside, there are three Turks there, and no one is blocking them to participate in a NPOV way. It simply is that you still can not comprehend what is POV and no-POV. articles are not about what is the truth or not, it is not to Wikipedia to decide what is. Articles are about presenting the [different] positions regarding subjects. That's all. You were always after trying to delete informations, like who believes what, and still you request this. For this reason, and many others, I requested that you do not touch that entry. And this only stick with you, and not the other Turks. And here, I was not the only one doing that, Thoth and Raffi were much more harsh kicking you out than I was. Let just say to yourself, that you were lucky that the arbitration cases was rejected. Oh and about the two users that are after you. They are patrolers, and I believe that patrolers are really needed in Wikipedia, and they SHOULD fallow people that their behavor they question. I have nothing to hide, and I will accept anyone going after me, if they sense any bad faith. And do realise here, that arguments like: "they're always after me" doesn't make what they do, against Wikipedia rules. Fadix 2 July 2005 22:11 (UTC) " (from User talk:Ta bu shi da yu)
Coolcat's response to Davenbelle's response.
Since you havent said much and instead pasted talk material I will not be resoinding to you much.
See Coolcat's Item #5 (above). Coolcat faults the copyvio people for the Diagnosis: Murder copyvio mess.
Here is the part he leaves out; he copied material from two different websites, eventually claimed he got permission from one of them, but couldn't remember which one. That is why the copied text was removed.
This has been typical of my dealing with Coolcat. He violates copyrights, is dishonest about the matter. He bitches, whines and complains the whole time about the people cleaning up his mess, while consistently failing to acknowledge his behavior that caused the problem. Then he repeats the whole process (the GAP project). Then, months later, continues to malign the people who cleaned up his mess, since copy vio people do not read size 28 text I cant quite help it.
The amount of time wasted cleaning up after Coolcat is substantial. But the amount of time arguing with him, and defending my actions regarding his copyvios is astronomical. -- Duk 4 July 2005 15:59 (UTC) -- Duk 4 July 2005 15:59 (UTC)
That's entirly untrue, and you know it. Your edits didn't stoped with minor changes, you have made important changes without even using the talk pages. And I had provided evidences when the cases was submitted to arbitration. Do you think people here can be fooled that easily? Besid,e ones ethnicity is unimportant, what is important though is respect and honesty. You lied about everything, and after creating all this problem, you told Raffi that you have lied about your knowledge about the topic, which made people much more furious and wanted you to get out of there. You can't expect being respected, when you lie on peoples face like this. Fadix 4 July 2005 05:37 (UTC)
Looking at the contents of this page, I think it makes the point very well that a number of editors have got a bee in their bonnet about Coolcat. While there have been some minor breaches of policy by nearly all participants, the main problem here seems to be a blanket refusal to assume good faith. One editor here even grants me magical powers of persuasion in claiming that an attempt to get the arbitration committee involved failed largely due to my efforts.
I urge all editors involved to cool down, and stop badgering Coolcat. This kind of behavior really is unacceptable, and it isn't excused by the fact that some of you are administrators, in fact that makes it even worse. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 4 July 2005 13:15 (UTC)
I don't why you are constantly accusing editors such as me, Davenbelle and Fadix of bad faith and "disgraceful" and "unacceptable" behavior. Wikipedias guideline ' assume good faith' doesn't demand or recommend that we should be naive and blindly trust an editor, that constantly violate policies by doing things such as PoV pushing, publishing copyvios, and using personal attacks. However, what I and other editors have indeed noticed is that you have been extremely active in helping and protecting 'interesting' users such as Trey Stone and now Coolcat, without showing any interest in cleaning up any of the mess that these users create. Coolcat has been lying straight to peoples faces, used extreme personal attacks and violated almost every policy that exist here in Wikipedia. What Coolcat has done and is currently is doing is not some "minor breaches of policy". We have already provided more than enough evidence for that.
Another thing is that I don't appriciate your attempts to make other editors here look like idiots by claiming that they believe that you have "magical powers of persuasion". What the editor said was: "largely due to Tony Sidaway's efforts the case was not accepted." This might very well be true because fact is that you where the only one that recommended, that the ArbCom should not accept the case involving Coolcat. An ArbCom case that Coolcat originally opened himself against Fadix. -- Stereotek 4 July 2005 15:37 (UTC)
Sidaway, can you please substantiate your accusations against me. When and where has I used personal attacks against you? I only attack/criticized your actions and behavior in my comment above, and for good reasons in my opinion. I think you should be careful about making any false accusations. You even accuse me of personal attacks against Coolcat. Again, could you please substantiate your accusations and provide some diffs? Evidence regarding my comments about Coolcat making untrue statements has already been provided. Please cool down and stop attacking people. -- Stereotek 4 July 2005 16:55 (UTC)
Until now, as I see it, Coolcat has been unable to provide a single piece of evidence that I have violated any of Wikipedias policies. I, on the other hand, has provided a lot of solid evidence and diffs regarding Coolcat's questionable behavior. But anyway, for now, let's leave to the ArbCom to decide about these issues. I'm sure that the case will be accepted. Thank you again for bringing it there. -- Stereotek 4 July 2005 18:52 (UTC)