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BigDaddy777 ( talk · contribs · count) is a new editor to Wikipedia who is either unable or unwilling to try to work with the community. While some of the changes he makes to politically loaded articles head towards improving the quality, they are surrounded with talk page behavior that serves to inflame disputes, and other article space edits that are little more than POV pushing. While the passion he shows for his subjects is admirable, I feel that it is important that we try to work together rather than apart, to that end, I have filed this RFC to get a full spectrum of perspectives about how BD777, and minority editors in general, can best prosecute their case without prosecuting their opposition.
I would like to note that I believe that this issue is easily solvable with just a few slight modifications to behavior. This RFC is an attempt to get the community to help convince BD777 that his behavior is in no way helping to improve this project, or even push his POV into article space. I would hope that he takes the advice contained herein to heart, and becomes the productive contributor that I saw the promise for when I first tried to moderate his behavior. He needs to stop reporting people and playing games and instead make articles better.
As an additional note, this RFC also serves to inform BD777 that he needs to stop putting newlines between each of his sentences on talk pages.
User:BigDaddy777 is a new contributor to Wikipedia who has failed to assume good faith, engages in personal attacks, and is generally uncivil. While it seems he has valuable contributions to add to Wikipedia in balancing out what he perceives to be a liberal bias on Wikipedia (which is a view shared by many), he unfortunately emphasizes polemics over arguments to make his point. Typically large, the content of his edits on the talk pages generally consist of one or two small changes sandwiched between name-calling, attacking other editors, and exhibiting a complete lack of good faith on his part. In the few short days he has been on Wikipedia (first edit on September 1st), he seems to be highly bitter about his perception of Wikipedia's liberal bias and insists it is intentionally kept this way.
An illustrative example is seen in his unfortunate disagreement with cosponsor Kizzle.
In an isolated post on the divisive Talk Page for Cindy Sheehan, BD777 wrote this:
This is just on example of the worthless political point scoring that typifies BD777's first contribution to a talk page - it's designed to inflame other editors to attack. Please note that this talk page contribution was totally unrelated to any article space contribution - it seemed more like a message board contribution.
Sadly, editor Kizzle bit:
Having hooked his liberal, BD777 bored in:
Kizzle, realizing that he might have overstepped what was appropriate, offered to withhold my previous label if he would withold his personal attacks:
But that was to little too late, and since this exchange, BD777 has unleashed an unrelenting tirade of personal attacks. This pattern of behavior typifies his relations.
BigDaddy continues to deride and attack those who disagree with him and it does not seem that his tirades will slow down anytime soon. I personally have pleaded with him more than several times to stop hostilities towards his fellow editors, thus while I do not want to bite the newcomer, I feel that he has been warned far more than his share.
Once again, please keep in mind that this is not a discussion about the content of BigDaddy's edits in the article space but rather his conduct around other editors. NPOV is not the only policy here at Wikipedia. Just because this RfC does not deal with edits in the article space does not mean certain other official policies guidelines are being abused. If you truly believe this RfC is filed incorrectly, than it is incumbant upon you to frame the following quotes as in accord with No Personal Attacks and Wikipedia:Civility, two official policies on Wikipedia.
The following section is just a snippet of BigDaddy's "style" of discourse, note that it has only taken 9 days to rack up what is on this list, which represents about half of BigDaddy's hostile comments.
Please note, the fact that this RfC does not target BigDaddy's misuse of the NPOV policy does not mean that other official policies and guidelines are being abused.
User:Hipocrite tries to restore normality: (BD777 had racked up quite a page of test warnings) [33] [34] [35] [36]
He's rebuked: [37]
Tries again: [38]
No response. User:Hipocrite goes to another contentious article, and tries the same approach: [39]
The response from BD777 is offputting - "let's get it on" is language you use for a fight, not a collaberation. That's the least of the problem: [40]
Tries to show BD777 how to disagree thoughtfully: [41]
But that advice is ignored for yet another "Liberals" screed: [42]
Which gets the "why don't you fix it, then": [43]
The response is that his changes don't stick: [44]
So I'd back him up if his changes didn't suck (and I have, and I will): [45]
And it seems like that's going to work. But it dosent: [46]
I try to refocus on the change, not the liberals. [47]
But then the threat to go and mess up other pages is more obvious: [48]
I tell him to talk about changes to the article, and repeat my suggestion: [49]
This pattern countinues (Hipocrite: What's wrong with the article? Suggest some changes please. BigDaddy777: Liberal bias is ruining wikipedia) for editor after editor, comment after comment. Eventually it's not "liberal bias," but "you, and your liberal editor friends." Some other example of others trying desperatly to get BD777 to talk about edits, not editors and reporting people:
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I think this entire thing is uncalled for. Bigdaddy is rough around the edges and certainly tends to get hot under the collar, but he makes coherent arguments (not vandalism or ugly talk), good edits and people just don't like the things he has to SAY and THAT is not a good enough reason for this inquiry. Just ignore him if you don't like what he has to say (I might add he keeps it to the talk apges and does not engage in edit wars even though I'm sure he would love to). But many people get just as hot under the collar right back and there not here (nor should they be). I say this entire thing needs to be called off as it is shedding a bad light on Wikipedia and the users who brought this complaint to begin with. Wikipedia is an open forum and while not evveryone is as nice as they could be all the time, Bigdaddy's comments have not, in my opinion, risen to a level that would justify this. Finally, I fear that this rfc might just reinforce many of the things that Bigdaddy has been saying about Wikipedia and other editors, which I refuse to believe. Stop this ugliness now...please.
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Aside from agreeing with the substance of Gator1's comments above, I also want to dispute the statement that BigDaddy777 is unwilling or unable to engage productively with Wikipedians with differing political views, or with whom he disagrees on the content of an article.
After his admittedly poor start on Wikipedia BigDaddy777 and I have engaged in a conversation by email in which he has remained perfectly civil and taken on board my comments and suggestions about how he can improve his editing and his relations with other Wikipedians. He has shown himself eager to learn and adapt his behaviour to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and I think this is reflected in a steady improvement of the quality of his edits both to articles and talk pages.
Despite the polemical tone he has adopted on talk pages I think he has in fact shown some restraint in the face of users instantly reverting many of his articlespace edits, many of which are made in good faith and are eminently defensible considering WP:NPOV, and of being harassed on his talk page by anonymous and largely spurious accusations of vandalism.
BigDaddy777 perceives a liberal bias in Wikipedia that I do not, and indeed our political persuasions could not be more different. But there is nothing in his communications with me and little in his edits to Wikipedia that suggests he is not likely to be a productive Wikipedian.
-- Ngb ?!? 18:29, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Definitely an editor who entered with guns blazing and has calmed down a bit since then. I'm still not sure that he understands that talk pages are primarily for working on the article, not for registering one's indignation with the other people involved, but he seems to be headed that way. I certainly would not want to see punitive action at this time, but he's certainly not on my mental list of editors I tend to trust to do the right thing.
I have suggested to him (and he seemed reasonably open to the suggestion) that it is generally a lot easier to get material added to an article than to get well-cited material removed. I happen to agree with him that the Pat Robertson article goes on at too-great length about gaffes and scandals, but in my experience that it is simply the nature of Wikipedia. I have suggested to him that he would accomplish a lot more trying to get information into the article about Robertson's theology, charity work, etc. than trying to remove the gaffes. I'd love to see a higher-level discussion about how Wikipedia on a broader level can reduce the tendency for biographies of controversial figures to turn into scandal-sheets, but neither this RfC nor that one article seems the place to do that. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:34, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I realize that this has moved on to Arbitration, but after initially refraining from comment in hopes of seeing improvement I am now moved to put in a few words. Briefly, Bigdaddy's bad behaviour seems deliberate. He goes out of his way to provoke hostility... not merely by belligerence in confrontation, but also through condescension and gloating even when he gets his way. He makes edits that are clearly false (i.e. 'Eric Alterman does not work for MSNBC') and refuses to accept even incontrovertible proof to the contrary. Obviously, he also presents a consistent POV bias in his edits - but alone that would not be a significant issue. Rather it is his insistence on false edits and deliberate disruption which makes this user such a problem. -- CBDunkerson 02:12, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Thank you, Hipocrite, for creating this new section for my evidence. It was a shock to find it removed, and a relief to find it back here.
The comments below indicate a sense of normalcy, calmness and civility on the part of BigDaddy777, and reduced use of rhetoric in favor of plain-speaking, even when he is defending himself. paul klenk 04:00, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Additional comments which demonstrate the qualities I have described above:
While BigDaddy has a few more things to learn, IMHO he has toned down considerably since his first few weeks. In the spirit of such progress in my mind, I think it would help if there wasn't a current RfC filed against him. I think the RfC for now has served its purpose and has a considerable positive effect so far on BigDaddy. I do not foresee him returning to his old ways, so for now lets suspend the RfC. To BigDaddy: you have progressed considerably since the beginning, and I agree with your estimation that conservative voices are in the minority on Wikipedia. Seek concensus, be civil, cite sources (read my comments on Karl Rove talk about what sources are encouraged, you might want to read through the policies yourself to clear up any misunderstandings)... like I have said from the beginning, you definetely seem like you have some good contributions in balancing out Wikipedia. If I could just ask that your effort isn't entirely devoted towards bringing conservative voices to Wikpedia but to try to be neutral. Neutrality is something that none of us posess, not you or me, but is something aspired towards. We must be self-critical in our bias, and I will try just as you should to check the content we post. I look forward to collaborating with your newfound sense of civility. -- kizzle 23:28, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Two last nitpicky things, don't capitalize words so much, it amounts to shouting in our faces. Second, pay attention to formatting your paragraph so its indented behind who you're replying to. -- kizzle 23:40, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Mystery solved. Here:
[78] BigDaddy777 said, "Gone for the weekend. Have fun everybody. I'll be back soon..." He made two no, make that four -- more edits within ten no, make that 30 minutes of that statement, and hasn't edited since. (comments corrected by
paul klenk)
So he didn't just disappear, and he's not ignoring us -- he gave notice not to expect him. Hope none of you are too disappointed to learn this. paul klenk 08:22, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I will give BigDaddy until the end of Tuesday to reply to this RfC, afterwards I will withdraw my motion to suspend. -- kizzle 20:05, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Note to kizzle, Hipocrite and others:
Since BigDaddy remains too bullheaded to even acknowledge the presence of this RfC, I withdraw my offer to suspend. I have given him ample time to respect Wikipedia procedure, and I believe he has made at least about 50 edits since I kindly requested that he comment here, and even more after I set a deadline. The time for playing games with users who have no respect for Wikipedia procedures, or more importantly, civility, is over. Those in favor of taking to RfA, sign below. -- kizzle 03:39, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
It appears that User:BigDaddy777 still will refuse to recognize this RfC. While there is ample justification for taking this to Arbcom, I do believe a better solution exists. As it stands now, BigDaddy refuses to listen to us discuss his behavior yet requires us to listen to his tirades of turning Wikipedia into FreeRepublic. Why do we have to show him respect by taking the time to respond to his edits when he won't even bother to respond to valid issues about his behavior that his co-editors bring up? Therefore, I propose that until BigDaddy recognizes this RfC, people should avoid any dialog with him and simply blind revert any edits he makes to controversial article pages (not talk pages). If BigDaddy continues to personally attack, then this will move on to RfA. I believe that we as editors have a right to be treated properly, and if someone refuses to listen to us, than we are not required to listen to them. -- kizzle 02:43, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Tibbs just filed an Arb request, so until BigDaddy comments on either his RfC or RfA, I advise people to listen to my proposal. -- kizzle 03:36, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Good idea! Eleemosynary 00:25, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
What's the difference between this and harassment, again? Until official action is taken, I see no excuse here to not assume good faith in his edits. Least of all your subjective opinion of supposed bias in his edits. Hiddekel 08:16, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
It doesn't matter anymore, BigDaddy graced us all with his presence on the RfA.-- kizzle 09:19, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Per community consensus, Arbitration has been requested against BigDaddy777. Please add any details or comments you feel are appropriate. Mr. Tibbs 03:26, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
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BigDaddy777 ( talk · contribs · count) is a new editor to Wikipedia who is either unable or unwilling to try to work with the community. While some of the changes he makes to politically loaded articles head towards improving the quality, they are surrounded with talk page behavior that serves to inflame disputes, and other article space edits that are little more than POV pushing. While the passion he shows for his subjects is admirable, I feel that it is important that we try to work together rather than apart, to that end, I have filed this RFC to get a full spectrum of perspectives about how BD777, and minority editors in general, can best prosecute their case without prosecuting their opposition.
I would like to note that I believe that this issue is easily solvable with just a few slight modifications to behavior. This RFC is an attempt to get the community to help convince BD777 that his behavior is in no way helping to improve this project, or even push his POV into article space. I would hope that he takes the advice contained herein to heart, and becomes the productive contributor that I saw the promise for when I first tried to moderate his behavior. He needs to stop reporting people and playing games and instead make articles better.
As an additional note, this RFC also serves to inform BD777 that he needs to stop putting newlines between each of his sentences on talk pages.
User:BigDaddy777 is a new contributor to Wikipedia who has failed to assume good faith, engages in personal attacks, and is generally uncivil. While it seems he has valuable contributions to add to Wikipedia in balancing out what he perceives to be a liberal bias on Wikipedia (which is a view shared by many), he unfortunately emphasizes polemics over arguments to make his point. Typically large, the content of his edits on the talk pages generally consist of one or two small changes sandwiched between name-calling, attacking other editors, and exhibiting a complete lack of good faith on his part. In the few short days he has been on Wikipedia (first edit on September 1st), he seems to be highly bitter about his perception of Wikipedia's liberal bias and insists it is intentionally kept this way.
An illustrative example is seen in his unfortunate disagreement with cosponsor Kizzle.
In an isolated post on the divisive Talk Page for Cindy Sheehan, BD777 wrote this:
This is just on example of the worthless political point scoring that typifies BD777's first contribution to a talk page - it's designed to inflame other editors to attack. Please note that this talk page contribution was totally unrelated to any article space contribution - it seemed more like a message board contribution.
Sadly, editor Kizzle bit:
Having hooked his liberal, BD777 bored in:
Kizzle, realizing that he might have overstepped what was appropriate, offered to withhold my previous label if he would withold his personal attacks:
But that was to little too late, and since this exchange, BD777 has unleashed an unrelenting tirade of personal attacks. This pattern of behavior typifies his relations.
BigDaddy continues to deride and attack those who disagree with him and it does not seem that his tirades will slow down anytime soon. I personally have pleaded with him more than several times to stop hostilities towards his fellow editors, thus while I do not want to bite the newcomer, I feel that he has been warned far more than his share.
Once again, please keep in mind that this is not a discussion about the content of BigDaddy's edits in the article space but rather his conduct around other editors. NPOV is not the only policy here at Wikipedia. Just because this RfC does not deal with edits in the article space does not mean certain other official policies guidelines are being abused. If you truly believe this RfC is filed incorrectly, than it is incumbant upon you to frame the following quotes as in accord with No Personal Attacks and Wikipedia:Civility, two official policies on Wikipedia.
The following section is just a snippet of BigDaddy's "style" of discourse, note that it has only taken 9 days to rack up what is on this list, which represents about half of BigDaddy's hostile comments.
Please note, the fact that this RfC does not target BigDaddy's misuse of the NPOV policy does not mean that other official policies and guidelines are being abused.
User:Hipocrite tries to restore normality: (BD777 had racked up quite a page of test warnings) [33] [34] [35] [36]
He's rebuked: [37]
Tries again: [38]
No response. User:Hipocrite goes to another contentious article, and tries the same approach: [39]
The response from BD777 is offputting - "let's get it on" is language you use for a fight, not a collaberation. That's the least of the problem: [40]
Tries to show BD777 how to disagree thoughtfully: [41]
But that advice is ignored for yet another "Liberals" screed: [42]
Which gets the "why don't you fix it, then": [43]
The response is that his changes don't stick: [44]
So I'd back him up if his changes didn't suck (and I have, and I will): [45]
And it seems like that's going to work. But it dosent: [46]
I try to refocus on the change, not the liberals. [47]
But then the threat to go and mess up other pages is more obvious: [48]
I tell him to talk about changes to the article, and repeat my suggestion: [49]
This pattern countinues (Hipocrite: What's wrong with the article? Suggest some changes please. BigDaddy777: Liberal bias is ruining wikipedia) for editor after editor, comment after comment. Eventually it's not "liberal bias," but "you, and your liberal editor friends." Some other example of others trying desperatly to get BD777 to talk about edits, not editors and reporting people:
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I think this entire thing is uncalled for. Bigdaddy is rough around the edges and certainly tends to get hot under the collar, but he makes coherent arguments (not vandalism or ugly talk), good edits and people just don't like the things he has to SAY and THAT is not a good enough reason for this inquiry. Just ignore him if you don't like what he has to say (I might add he keeps it to the talk apges and does not engage in edit wars even though I'm sure he would love to). But many people get just as hot under the collar right back and there not here (nor should they be). I say this entire thing needs to be called off as it is shedding a bad light on Wikipedia and the users who brought this complaint to begin with. Wikipedia is an open forum and while not evveryone is as nice as they could be all the time, Bigdaddy's comments have not, in my opinion, risen to a level that would justify this. Finally, I fear that this rfc might just reinforce many of the things that Bigdaddy has been saying about Wikipedia and other editors, which I refuse to believe. Stop this ugliness now...please.
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Aside from agreeing with the substance of Gator1's comments above, I also want to dispute the statement that BigDaddy777 is unwilling or unable to engage productively with Wikipedians with differing political views, or with whom he disagrees on the content of an article.
After his admittedly poor start on Wikipedia BigDaddy777 and I have engaged in a conversation by email in which he has remained perfectly civil and taken on board my comments and suggestions about how he can improve his editing and his relations with other Wikipedians. He has shown himself eager to learn and adapt his behaviour to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and I think this is reflected in a steady improvement of the quality of his edits both to articles and talk pages.
Despite the polemical tone he has adopted on talk pages I think he has in fact shown some restraint in the face of users instantly reverting many of his articlespace edits, many of which are made in good faith and are eminently defensible considering WP:NPOV, and of being harassed on his talk page by anonymous and largely spurious accusations of vandalism.
BigDaddy777 perceives a liberal bias in Wikipedia that I do not, and indeed our political persuasions could not be more different. But there is nothing in his communications with me and little in his edits to Wikipedia that suggests he is not likely to be a productive Wikipedian.
-- Ngb ?!? 18:29, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Definitely an editor who entered with guns blazing and has calmed down a bit since then. I'm still not sure that he understands that talk pages are primarily for working on the article, not for registering one's indignation with the other people involved, but he seems to be headed that way. I certainly would not want to see punitive action at this time, but he's certainly not on my mental list of editors I tend to trust to do the right thing.
I have suggested to him (and he seemed reasonably open to the suggestion) that it is generally a lot easier to get material added to an article than to get well-cited material removed. I happen to agree with him that the Pat Robertson article goes on at too-great length about gaffes and scandals, but in my experience that it is simply the nature of Wikipedia. I have suggested to him that he would accomplish a lot more trying to get information into the article about Robertson's theology, charity work, etc. than trying to remove the gaffes. I'd love to see a higher-level discussion about how Wikipedia on a broader level can reduce the tendency for biographies of controversial figures to turn into scandal-sheets, but neither this RfC nor that one article seems the place to do that. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:34, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I realize that this has moved on to Arbitration, but after initially refraining from comment in hopes of seeing improvement I am now moved to put in a few words. Briefly, Bigdaddy's bad behaviour seems deliberate. He goes out of his way to provoke hostility... not merely by belligerence in confrontation, but also through condescension and gloating even when he gets his way. He makes edits that are clearly false (i.e. 'Eric Alterman does not work for MSNBC') and refuses to accept even incontrovertible proof to the contrary. Obviously, he also presents a consistent POV bias in his edits - but alone that would not be a significant issue. Rather it is his insistence on false edits and deliberate disruption which makes this user such a problem. -- CBDunkerson 02:12, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Thank you, Hipocrite, for creating this new section for my evidence. It was a shock to find it removed, and a relief to find it back here.
The comments below indicate a sense of normalcy, calmness and civility on the part of BigDaddy777, and reduced use of rhetoric in favor of plain-speaking, even when he is defending himself. paul klenk 04:00, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Additional comments which demonstrate the qualities I have described above:
While BigDaddy has a few more things to learn, IMHO he has toned down considerably since his first few weeks. In the spirit of such progress in my mind, I think it would help if there wasn't a current RfC filed against him. I think the RfC for now has served its purpose and has a considerable positive effect so far on BigDaddy. I do not foresee him returning to his old ways, so for now lets suspend the RfC. To BigDaddy: you have progressed considerably since the beginning, and I agree with your estimation that conservative voices are in the minority on Wikipedia. Seek concensus, be civil, cite sources (read my comments on Karl Rove talk about what sources are encouraged, you might want to read through the policies yourself to clear up any misunderstandings)... like I have said from the beginning, you definetely seem like you have some good contributions in balancing out Wikipedia. If I could just ask that your effort isn't entirely devoted towards bringing conservative voices to Wikpedia but to try to be neutral. Neutrality is something that none of us posess, not you or me, but is something aspired towards. We must be self-critical in our bias, and I will try just as you should to check the content we post. I look forward to collaborating with your newfound sense of civility. -- kizzle 23:28, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Two last nitpicky things, don't capitalize words so much, it amounts to shouting in our faces. Second, pay attention to formatting your paragraph so its indented behind who you're replying to. -- kizzle 23:40, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Mystery solved. Here:
[78] BigDaddy777 said, "Gone for the weekend. Have fun everybody. I'll be back soon..." He made two no, make that four -- more edits within ten no, make that 30 minutes of that statement, and hasn't edited since. (comments corrected by
paul klenk)
So he didn't just disappear, and he's not ignoring us -- he gave notice not to expect him. Hope none of you are too disappointed to learn this. paul klenk 08:22, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I will give BigDaddy until the end of Tuesday to reply to this RfC, afterwards I will withdraw my motion to suspend. -- kizzle 20:05, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Note to kizzle, Hipocrite and others:
Since BigDaddy remains too bullheaded to even acknowledge the presence of this RfC, I withdraw my offer to suspend. I have given him ample time to respect Wikipedia procedure, and I believe he has made at least about 50 edits since I kindly requested that he comment here, and even more after I set a deadline. The time for playing games with users who have no respect for Wikipedia procedures, or more importantly, civility, is over. Those in favor of taking to RfA, sign below. -- kizzle 03:39, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
It appears that User:BigDaddy777 still will refuse to recognize this RfC. While there is ample justification for taking this to Arbcom, I do believe a better solution exists. As it stands now, BigDaddy refuses to listen to us discuss his behavior yet requires us to listen to his tirades of turning Wikipedia into FreeRepublic. Why do we have to show him respect by taking the time to respond to his edits when he won't even bother to respond to valid issues about his behavior that his co-editors bring up? Therefore, I propose that until BigDaddy recognizes this RfC, people should avoid any dialog with him and simply blind revert any edits he makes to controversial article pages (not talk pages). If BigDaddy continues to personally attack, then this will move on to RfA. I believe that we as editors have a right to be treated properly, and if someone refuses to listen to us, than we are not required to listen to them. -- kizzle 02:43, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Tibbs just filed an Arb request, so until BigDaddy comments on either his RfC or RfA, I advise people to listen to my proposal. -- kizzle 03:36, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Good idea! Eleemosynary 00:25, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
What's the difference between this and harassment, again? Until official action is taken, I see no excuse here to not assume good faith in his edits. Least of all your subjective opinion of supposed bias in his edits. Hiddekel 08:16, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
It doesn't matter anymore, BigDaddy graced us all with his presence on the RfA.-- kizzle 09:19, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Per community consensus, Arbitration has been requested against BigDaddy777. Please add any details or comments you feel are appropriate. Mr. Tibbs 03:26, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
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