Please check. The Revmagpie account, which had been dormant since August 2007, suddenly becomes reactivated at exactly the same time that Dreamguy is blocked, editing exactly the same articles, i.e. Jack the Ripper, etc. The anonymous IP 76.114.86.121 comes out of nowhere and, in one day, reverts several Jack the Ripper related articles. Dreamguy has a long history of using anon IP accounts to revert material on Jack the Ripper and related articles. For example both Dreamguy and Revmagpie edited here [1] and here [2]. Dreamguy and the anon IP edit here [3] All three accounts delete/revert material in the same way, seemingly being three separate accounts supporting each other. The anon account deleted this article [4] which Revmagpie had also removed material from.
DreamGuy is currently under ArbCom sanctions ( Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/DreamGuy 2), and it is my belief that he is using alternate accounts as a way of avoiding the sanctions. See also Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/DreamGuy 2#Request for extension of restrictions at DreamGuy 2), where there is discussion about DreamGuy and his tendency to use alternate accounts. Jack1956 ( talk) 21:04, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, he has removed content from articles without discussing it on the talk page ( for e.g. here [5]) and here [6] and removed/redirected an entire article ( The Whitechapel Murders (1888-91)) without discussion. It has since been restored.[ [7]] He has been told repeatedly to log on when editing. He is gaming the system. [8] The situation is quite simple; Dreamguy is currently under ArbCom sanctions (see above). If this anon IP is Dreamguy (and I recognise the home location as being his) then he has broken these sanctions again by editing anonymously. He was blocked for 96 hours (later reduced to 72) last month for doing what he is doing again as this new anon IP. Jack1956 ( talk) 08:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
People can "warn" others that they have to log in to edit, but that doesn't make it so. There's absolutely nothing going on here that violates policy or the ArbCom sanctions, it's just the latest example of people wikilawyering to try to prevail in edit conflicts. If I tell Colin4C that he is not allowed to edit except on Wednesdays and he ignores that, I can't say he is being incivil and demand other people take action. This is just really getting old. 76.114.86.121 ( talk) 20:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
These two accounts edit similar articles, such as puzzles and games and Sudoku and Jack the Ripper related articles. As Dreamguy stops editing the new account begins. The wording of edits from both accounts is similar, they do not begin with a capital letter and use ... and -- frequently. Dreamguy has a history of using anonymous accounts to edit articles. The anonymous editor knows a tremendous amount about Wiki policy for someone who has only been editing for a few days. He has been removing perfectly good material from a couple of my articles. Jack1956 ( talk) 20:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Declined. No evidence provided of anything other than editing anonymously, which is not banned yet. No code given, in any case. Please ask me or a clerk if you need help in doing a proper RFCU next time.
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Evasion of bans or other remedies issued by the arbitration committee - Dreamguy was restricted to be more civil in his edits by ArbCom: subject to a behavioral editing restriction. If he makes any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, he may be blocked
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3RR violation using socks - As per the results of the SSP complaint, the two users have been noted by two admins to be the same editor [16].
A. AN/I/Arcayne wherein I was asked by Jehochman "(to) present a sequence of three or four diffs that show edit warring by User:71.203.223.65 and User:DreamGuy? If you can present a sequence that shows them acting in concert, or separately, that will be helpful":
- Edits #1-3 were made by the anonymous user. Edit #3 was a revert of the article version.
- Successive edits #4-9 by DG show successive edits to restore to the prior version previously reverted to by the anonymous user (I'm willing to be charitable and consider them all a collective revert, though an admin weighing 3RR or civility might see it differently), so we'll call them a single revert as well (revert number two).
- Edit #10 is revert number three.
- Edit #11 is revert number four.
- Edit #12 is revert number five.
- There are three more edits after that, all serving to reinforce the edit DG (and user 71 beforehand) continually reverted to, all within a 24-hour period. Even were the issue not of multple accounts serving the same purpose (reinforcing a previous version), DG still violated 3RR. When we count in the reinforced edit of the anonymous user, the violation becomes that much more egregious. As edit-warring is specifically considered hostile (and therefore uncivil), an editor under civility restrictions would normally be avoiding reverting more than once, preferring to discuss their edits instead. In point of fact, both the anonymous editor and DG were asked repeatedly to discuss their edits instead of edit-warring, without success. It bears meantioning that similar activity took place in the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee article between 10/18/07 and 10/22/07, again involving three reverts by the anon user 71 and DG. As 3RR is not confined to simply three reverts, but instead a pattern of disruptive behavior (in this case by a registered user and his anon), I think it should be considered as well.
B. Dreamguy Blocked (subsection of above) summary:
- We have strong evidence that DreamGuy ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) engaged in incivility, edit warring, abusive sock puppetry, and gaming the system to evade ArbCom sanctions. I'll add that DreamGuy ceased editing under his own account from Aug 24 until October 22 ("he has not been heard from since Aug. 24, so maybe there's no longer an issue" [17]), and used a sockpuppet during that time while his ArbCom case we being discussed. [18] [19] [20] This was apparently a ruse to avoid scrutiny and sanctions. I am going to block the account for abusive sockpuppetry, gaming the system, and disruptive editing. The reason for the block is to prevent further disruption and sockpuppetry. If an IP appears to edit for DreamGuy, it may be blocked for block evasion. DreamGuy's block should *not* be lifted without a discussion and consensus. I am going to bring these matters to the attention of ArbCom and ask them for advice. The block is stated as one week, but may be increased because there is no reason to allow further editing until another arrangement is made. The sanctions imposed were based on an incomplete understanding of the situation. Had ArbCom known that abusive sockpuppetry was occurring during the discussion of the case, I think the result would have been different. I invite discussion, but please don't refactor the block until we come to a consensus. DreamGuy may comment on his talk page, and the comments may be copied here. - Jehochman Talk 13:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC) [21]
C. Suspected Sock Puppets/Dreamguy - summary:
Upon full investigation, this seems to be a clear case of abusive sockpuppetry...I am blocking DreamGuy and will ask ArbCom for guidance. 1
Talk:Jack the Ripper#The The 'Canonical Five' gives a brief insight to the commonality of these two accounts. additionally this edit isnt vandalism its removing "Ripperologists" link something I saw frequently in DreamGuys edits. There also this by the IP and this by DreamGuy notice the similarities in edit summaries. 1
Gnangarra furthermore blocked User:71.203.223.65 also, as "this one is clearly the same person <as Dreamguy>". 2
(with apologies for any mistakes in filing, rfcu subitted by Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC))
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Suspicious behavior on the part of DreamGuy ( talk · contribs) and 2005 ( talk · contribs). Both longtime editors, accounts created within a few months of each other in 2004, but recent events are raising concerns. Disclaimer: I have had run-ins with DreamGuy in the past, early 2006, characterized with my cautioning him about civility, and him deleting my messages, usually with impolite edit summaries. He was also blocked from using anon accounts in April 2007, as he was "using sockpuppets to avoid scrutiny." [23] We had had no contact for months, and then on June 17, I noticed User 2005 deleting links from an article that I was expanding. [24] [25]His communications were somewhat uncivil, [26] [27] and I noticed that his communication style was similar to that of DreamGuy. When I asked him if we had interacted before, [28] he deleted my message off his talkpage. [29] When I later commented that 2005's communications could be more civil, [30] he deleted that too, with an edit summary of "rmv rant". [31] I found out later that right around the same time, DreamGuy had been blocked for link deletion [32] (on a matter that I was not involved with). This evening, DreamGuy began posting on 2005's page, suddenly referring to me in an unrelated thread, with incivility and name-calling. [33] I asked him if he and 2005 were the same, [34] and he replied rudely. [35] Then within about a half-hour, 2005 deleted the entire thread from his talkpage [36] (User 2005's only edit this evening).
In reviewing the times of their activity, they seem to dovetail. On the days that I spot-checked, they are rarely online at the same time, except for a space of about 10 minutes on the morning of June 19, when they were supporting each other in a dispute at WP:EL. [37] [38] [39] I also found one span of a few minutes where DreamGuy made two edits during a longer editing period of 2005's. They have also both participated in an edit war [40] [41] and talkpage dispute at Therianthropy. [42] [43]
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El on ka 03:11, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Unrelated. With regards to 2005 and DreamGuy.
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20:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Recent suspected multiple subversion of 3RR at Beelzebub and Spring Heeled Jack, where DreamGuy and Victrix have been involved in edit wars on numerous occasions with numerous editors.
Example 1: After Dreamguy reverted Beelzebub for the third time ( revert 1, revert 2, revert 3), Victrix appeared out of nowhere to post a message of support on his talk page, then reverted the article to Dreamguy's preferred version, using a similar longwinded edit summary to those Dreamguy typically uses, phrased in almost exactly the same hostile manner.
Example 2: After Victrix reverted Spring Heeled Jack for the third time ( revert 1, revert 2, revert 3), DreamGuy appeared out of nowhere and reverted the article to Victrix' preferred version, again using the same longwinded edit summary to those Victrix typically uses, phrased in almost exactly the same hostile manner.
A comparison of their edit histories reveals that Dreamguy and Victrix edit the same group of articles (particularly those related to the Victorian era, Jack the Ripper, crime and mythology), use the same lengthy edit summaries, the same terminology (ie "crap", "fucked up", "spam" etc when describing anything they disagree with), the same technique of accusing anyone who disagrees with them as "harrassing" them, and the same predisposition to conducting edit wars over content.
They are obviously the same person using multiple identities with the deliberate intention of circumventing the 3RR and attempting to influence the outcome of talk page discussions. Centauri 02:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Likely.
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Please check. The Revmagpie account, which had been dormant since August 2007, suddenly becomes reactivated at exactly the same time that Dreamguy is blocked, editing exactly the same articles, i.e. Jack the Ripper, etc. The anonymous IP 76.114.86.121 comes out of nowhere and, in one day, reverts several Jack the Ripper related articles. Dreamguy has a long history of using anon IP accounts to revert material on Jack the Ripper and related articles. For example both Dreamguy and Revmagpie edited here [1] and here [2]. Dreamguy and the anon IP edit here [3] All three accounts delete/revert material in the same way, seemingly being three separate accounts supporting each other. The anon account deleted this article [4] which Revmagpie had also removed material from.
DreamGuy is currently under ArbCom sanctions ( Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/DreamGuy 2), and it is my belief that he is using alternate accounts as a way of avoiding the sanctions. See also Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/DreamGuy 2#Request for extension of restrictions at DreamGuy 2), where there is discussion about DreamGuy and his tendency to use alternate accounts. Jack1956 ( talk) 21:04, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, he has removed content from articles without discussing it on the talk page ( for e.g. here [5]) and here [6] and removed/redirected an entire article ( The Whitechapel Murders (1888-91)) without discussion. It has since been restored.[ [7]] He has been told repeatedly to log on when editing. He is gaming the system. [8] The situation is quite simple; Dreamguy is currently under ArbCom sanctions (see above). If this anon IP is Dreamguy (and I recognise the home location as being his) then he has broken these sanctions again by editing anonymously. He was blocked for 96 hours (later reduced to 72) last month for doing what he is doing again as this new anon IP. Jack1956 ( talk) 08:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
People can "warn" others that they have to log in to edit, but that doesn't make it so. There's absolutely nothing going on here that violates policy or the ArbCom sanctions, it's just the latest example of people wikilawyering to try to prevail in edit conflicts. If I tell Colin4C that he is not allowed to edit except on Wednesdays and he ignores that, I can't say he is being incivil and demand other people take action. This is just really getting old. 76.114.86.121 ( talk) 20:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
These two accounts edit similar articles, such as puzzles and games and Sudoku and Jack the Ripper related articles. As Dreamguy stops editing the new account begins. The wording of edits from both accounts is similar, they do not begin with a capital letter and use ... and -- frequently. Dreamguy has a history of using anonymous accounts to edit articles. The anonymous editor knows a tremendous amount about Wiki policy for someone who has only been editing for a few days. He has been removing perfectly good material from a couple of my articles. Jack1956 ( talk) 20:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Declined. No evidence provided of anything other than editing anonymously, which is not banned yet. No code given, in any case. Please ask me or a clerk if you need help in doing a proper RFCU next time.
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[15].
3RR violation using socks - As per the results of the SSP complaint, the two users have been noted by two admins to be the same editor [16].
A. AN/I/Arcayne wherein I was asked by Jehochman "(to) present a sequence of three or four diffs that show edit warring by User:71.203.223.65 and User:DreamGuy? If you can present a sequence that shows them acting in concert, or separately, that will be helpful":
- Edits #1-3 were made by the anonymous user. Edit #3 was a revert of the article version.
- Successive edits #4-9 by DG show successive edits to restore to the prior version previously reverted to by the anonymous user (I'm willing to be charitable and consider them all a collective revert, though an admin weighing 3RR or civility might see it differently), so we'll call them a single revert as well (revert number two).
- Edit #10 is revert number three.
- Edit #11 is revert number four.
- Edit #12 is revert number five.
- There are three more edits after that, all serving to reinforce the edit DG (and user 71 beforehand) continually reverted to, all within a 24-hour period. Even were the issue not of multple accounts serving the same purpose (reinforcing a previous version), DG still violated 3RR. When we count in the reinforced edit of the anonymous user, the violation becomes that much more egregious. As edit-warring is specifically considered hostile (and therefore uncivil), an editor under civility restrictions would normally be avoiding reverting more than once, preferring to discuss their edits instead. In point of fact, both the anonymous editor and DG were asked repeatedly to discuss their edits instead of edit-warring, without success. It bears meantioning that similar activity took place in the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee article between 10/18/07 and 10/22/07, again involving three reverts by the anon user 71 and DG. As 3RR is not confined to simply three reverts, but instead a pattern of disruptive behavior (in this case by a registered user and his anon), I think it should be considered as well.
B. Dreamguy Blocked (subsection of above) summary:
- We have strong evidence that DreamGuy ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) engaged in incivility, edit warring, abusive sock puppetry, and gaming the system to evade ArbCom sanctions. I'll add that DreamGuy ceased editing under his own account from Aug 24 until October 22 ("he has not been heard from since Aug. 24, so maybe there's no longer an issue" [17]), and used a sockpuppet during that time while his ArbCom case we being discussed. [18] [19] [20] This was apparently a ruse to avoid scrutiny and sanctions. I am going to block the account for abusive sockpuppetry, gaming the system, and disruptive editing. The reason for the block is to prevent further disruption and sockpuppetry. If an IP appears to edit for DreamGuy, it may be blocked for block evasion. DreamGuy's block should *not* be lifted without a discussion and consensus. I am going to bring these matters to the attention of ArbCom and ask them for advice. The block is stated as one week, but may be increased because there is no reason to allow further editing until another arrangement is made. The sanctions imposed were based on an incomplete understanding of the situation. Had ArbCom known that abusive sockpuppetry was occurring during the discussion of the case, I think the result would have been different. I invite discussion, but please don't refactor the block until we come to a consensus. DreamGuy may comment on his talk page, and the comments may be copied here. - Jehochman Talk 13:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC) [21]
C. Suspected Sock Puppets/Dreamguy - summary:
Upon full investigation, this seems to be a clear case of abusive sockpuppetry...I am blocking DreamGuy and will ask ArbCom for guidance. 1
Talk:Jack the Ripper#The The 'Canonical Five' gives a brief insight to the commonality of these two accounts. additionally this edit isnt vandalism its removing "Ripperologists" link something I saw frequently in DreamGuys edits. There also this by the IP and this by DreamGuy notice the similarities in edit summaries. 1
Gnangarra furthermore blocked User:71.203.223.65 also, as "this one is clearly the same person <as Dreamguy>". 2
(with apologies for any mistakes in filing, rfcu subitted by Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC))
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Suspicious behavior on the part of DreamGuy ( talk · contribs) and 2005 ( talk · contribs). Both longtime editors, accounts created within a few months of each other in 2004, but recent events are raising concerns. Disclaimer: I have had run-ins with DreamGuy in the past, early 2006, characterized with my cautioning him about civility, and him deleting my messages, usually with impolite edit summaries. He was also blocked from using anon accounts in April 2007, as he was "using sockpuppets to avoid scrutiny." [23] We had had no contact for months, and then on June 17, I noticed User 2005 deleting links from an article that I was expanding. [24] [25]His communications were somewhat uncivil, [26] [27] and I noticed that his communication style was similar to that of DreamGuy. When I asked him if we had interacted before, [28] he deleted my message off his talkpage. [29] When I later commented that 2005's communications could be more civil, [30] he deleted that too, with an edit summary of "rmv rant". [31] I found out later that right around the same time, DreamGuy had been blocked for link deletion [32] (on a matter that I was not involved with). This evening, DreamGuy began posting on 2005's page, suddenly referring to me in an unrelated thread, with incivility and name-calling. [33] I asked him if he and 2005 were the same, [34] and he replied rudely. [35] Then within about a half-hour, 2005 deleted the entire thread from his talkpage [36] (User 2005's only edit this evening).
In reviewing the times of their activity, they seem to dovetail. On the days that I spot-checked, they are rarely online at the same time, except for a space of about 10 minutes on the morning of June 19, when they were supporting each other in a dispute at WP:EL. [37] [38] [39] I also found one span of a few minutes where DreamGuy made two edits during a longer editing period of 2005's. They have also both participated in an edit war [40] [41] and talkpage dispute at Therianthropy. [42] [43]
June 20 editing time (UTC):
June 19:
June 18:
June 17:
June 16:
June 10:
El on ka 03:11, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Unrelated. With regards to 2005 and DreamGuy.
Voice-of-All
20:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Recent suspected multiple subversion of 3RR at Beelzebub and Spring Heeled Jack, where DreamGuy and Victrix have been involved in edit wars on numerous occasions with numerous editors.
Example 1: After Dreamguy reverted Beelzebub for the third time ( revert 1, revert 2, revert 3), Victrix appeared out of nowhere to post a message of support on his talk page, then reverted the article to Dreamguy's preferred version, using a similar longwinded edit summary to those Dreamguy typically uses, phrased in almost exactly the same hostile manner.
Example 2: After Victrix reverted Spring Heeled Jack for the third time ( revert 1, revert 2, revert 3), DreamGuy appeared out of nowhere and reverted the article to Victrix' preferred version, again using the same longwinded edit summary to those Victrix typically uses, phrased in almost exactly the same hostile manner.
A comparison of their edit histories reveals that Dreamguy and Victrix edit the same group of articles (particularly those related to the Victorian era, Jack the Ripper, crime and mythology), use the same lengthy edit summaries, the same terminology (ie "crap", "fucked up", "spam" etc when describing anything they disagree with), the same technique of accusing anyone who disagrees with them as "harrassing" them, and the same predisposition to conducting edit wars over content.
They are obviously the same person using multiple identities with the deliberate intention of circumventing the 3RR and attempting to influence the outcome of talk page discussions. Centauri 02:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Likely.
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