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For simplicity's sake, all contributions I make to this RFAR are multi-licensed: I waive my GFDL right to attribution with regards to them. Stifle ( talk) 01:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
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I had a singular run-in with Monicasdude [44], one in which Swatjester and I agreed with the user. I find the response to my edit to be aggressive/passive in a confusing way that falls in line with the user's edit history. I have no issue with the user on a one-on-one level; I am here as a witness to the Plaintiff and Co-Plaintiffs as a majority of the cites happened on April 6, the day of my run-in with the user. I confirm incivility and assuming bad faith on Monicasdude's part; especially considering that Swatjester, Calton and Stifle have all agreed with the user at various times on various RfDs and that consideration is blindly ignored by Monicasdude.
A new incident against Monicasdude; including a charge against a user that very much showed good faith. T e ke 06:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Stifle's allegations are frequently inaccurate or inappropriate, and show no significant violation of Wikipedia policies. Specific examples:
Incivility (4). My exact comment was "Incompetent as the article is, the subject is legitimately notable and the article therefore should not be speedied." The article involved, Marianne Curan, was a mass of incoherent text about a notable actress. Another editor commented "I was about to vote "undelete" when I looked at the content. This sucks so badly that it's probably better to just wait until somoene comes along with a better article." [45]
Incivility (6). Article nominated for deletion, supposedly with "no indication of notability" of its subject. The subject was correctly identified as a Harvard Dean for a decade, among other substantial credentials. I saw no good faith basis for proposing deletion.
Incivility (7). The full edit summary reads "object to newbie-biting; slamming an article-in-progress one minute after a new user begins work is grossly uncivil. Give him a chance." The author of the article in question is 13 years old, and had been trying to use a template for the first time.
Incivility (8). I did not describe editors as "idiotic." I applied the term to the Blues article's devoting more space to Jack White than to any other musician, and I hardly think that comment inaccurate. Like a number of my comments that have produced undeserved hostility, it comments unfavorably (here implicitly) on the tendency toward institutional racism on Wikipedia.
Incivility (9). The full comment reads "object to deletion, lousy article about BBC TV miniseries. So fix it."
Incivility (12). Phrase extracted from a policy argument; opposing claim was that work in Broadway theater was insufficient to establish notability and that only actors with movie or TV credits could be notable. Aggressive ignorance is a major problem in the AfD arena, and sometimes the balance between honesty and politeness calls for honesty. No more uncivil, in context, that the regular charges that editors are "vain" and "self-promoting."
Bad faith (generally). The applicable standard is to assume good faith in the absence of evidence otherwise. In each example where I actually mention bad faith, I cite the basis. In most of these examples, there was clearly no reasonable, good faith basis for deleting articles on obviously notable subjects, and deletion would have damaged Wikipedia.
Bad faith (11). I described the far too common practice of tagging articles for deletion while their original authors were still working on them as "vigilante vandalism," particularly in cases where the supposed defects were cured in the finished product, but the nominator -- often a speedy nominator -- never rechecked the article. I think that's a pretty fair description, given the way such actions damage Wikipedia.
Other issues (1). User:Stifle simply misrepresents the facts here. My comment was "you shouldn't be deleting such comments from talk pages other than your own." The user it was directed to was changing another editor's statements in an AfD discussion. My comment was an entirely appropriate reflection of Wikipedia policy.
Other issues (7). The item in question was not a proposed policy or guideline. An individual user had inappropriately presented his own opinions on the subject in the format of a policy/guideline page, without taking any of the steps called for in the process for proposing policies or guidelines, and without placing any appropriate template on the page. The item was then repeatedly cited as though it were consensus policy in AfD discussions. I thought this disruptive -- a recognized standard for deletion -- and nominated the page for deletion, stating my rationale. Ironically, Stifle immediately accused me of "bad faith."
SWATJester has repeatedly made false claims of personal attacks. The applicable policy is quite clear: "It is important not to personalize comments that are directed at content and actions, but it is equally important not to interpret such comments as personal attacks. Specific examples of comments that are not personal attacks include, but are not limited to . . . "
"Personal attacks do not include civil language used to describe an editor's actions, and when made without involving their personal character, should not be construed as personal attacks. Stating "Your statement is a personal attack..." is not itself a personal attack — it is a statement regarding the actions of the user, not a statement about the user."
I commented that SWATJester's actions violated the WP:BITE guideline. That is not a personal attack, and the language of WP:NPA should make clear to every reasonable user that describing another editor's actions in the context of applicable policies/guidelines is itself not a personal attack, whether the characterization of those actions is favorable or unfavorable. SWATJester's repeated claims that such comments violated WP:NPA were clearly incorrect, and his repeated posting of demands that I retract my statements, personally directed and framed in increasingly harsh language, should be viewed as significant violations of WP:Civility.
Stifle has provided already much of the evidence, however I'll throw in the parts related to me.
Monicasdude claims that I wikistalk him on AfD. My only response to this ludicrous claim, is that there are only so many AfD's per day. It's inevitable that we come across each other. TKE summed this up well. Further: I've been nominating AfD's since February 1, and voting since before that.
For completeness's sake.
(Copied from Requests for checkuser)
Monicasdude is currently in an ArbCom hearing, where the Proposed decision is likely to result in Monicasdude being banned from the deletion process. A finding of fact will probably find that Monicasdude is uncivil, which Visions1965 certainly is. While Visions1965 only currently has 3 edits, 2 of those are viciously defending a link to http://www.angelfire.com/wa/monicasdude in Bob Dylan, an article Monicasdude has edited a significant amount of times, and the account could certainly be used in the future to bypass any remedy placed on Monicadude by the Arbitration Committee. Visions1965 actually knew on his second edit ever that "You and your weird friends may hate the guy who runs it," despite never even editing a project or even article page. In addition, Visions1965 was created at 13:56, April 27, 2006. Monicasdude started editing that day at basically the same time, with a short break around the time when Visions1965 was created. -- Rory096 18:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
My first interaction with Monicasdude was in regards to a 3RR report [285]. After having reviewed the report, it appeared that both parties were handling the situation poorly, but since the dispute was almost an hour old, I chose to warn them and encourage discussion. Monicasdude appeared to be bothered by my decision and felt that the second party (Huaiwei) should have been blocked. [286] I explained my decision and advised him that he was welcome to have the decision reviewed by other admins if he still felt I was incorrect. [287] Monicasdude continues to assert that removing a referenced statement and making contested edits doesn't require consensus or discussion. He claims the issue was verifiability, the statement wasn't supported by the reference, and yet failed to explain his opinion or support it in any way. Monicasdude appears to have a pattern of changing his argument as soon as the fallacy of his previous argument is pointed out.
Later, Monicasdude inserted himself into an RfAR I was involved in by soliciting one of the involved parties to allow him to be advocate. While I mentioned that I had reservations about this decision, I chose not to object. Shortly after joining the RfAR, he made controversial edits to the article in dispute to advance his clients POV (directly after his client was *blocked* for edits disturbing the same picture). I found this incredibly disturbing and said so in the discussion on the RfAR. [288] And again, he responded by refusing to acknowledge my concerns and attacking [289].
The discussion over the 3RR report quickly degenerated; Monicasdude was incredibly hostile and often very misleading in his comments. The facts simply did not support his version of events, even to the point that he contradicted himself several times. [290], [291], [292]
Several days later, Terence Ong left me a message concerning Monicasdude's continuing behavior [293]; I simply referred him to our dispute resolution process [294]. I was surprised to get a message from Monicasdude shortly thereafter claiming my behavior continued to be inappropriate [295] and again the situation rapidly dengerated when Monicasdude didn't get the result he wanted. A sample of some of the comments:
The RfC brought after this incident followed the same pattern:
I was hoping to be able to come by and say that Monicasdude's civility had improved since the start of this RfAR -- I've run across several very toned down prod removals and helpful AfD discussions. Unfortunately, a quick glance through his past 20 edits brought up two more incredibly rude comments:
I believe Monicasdude's responses to his previous RfCs and this RfAR illustrate his pattern of behavior better than all the evidence in the world ever could. Quite simply, he refuses to acknowledge any lack of courtesy or disruption on his part and cites a host of invented grievances against anyone who attempts to address his disruption. He appears to believe that only his opinion of how policies should be applied is correct and will use any tactic nessesary to enforce his viewpoint. Far too much fruitless time and energy has already been spent attempting to encourage him to review his behavior, to say nothing of the immense strain his constant disruption causes.
Monicasdude can make very constructive contributions, particularly in catching prod or speedy noms that are simply little-known or poorly worded. Unfortunately, the constant disruption caused by his abrasive and even abusive comments while performing these actions far out weighs the good he has done in saving these articles.
The evidence that Monicasdude is uncivil in deletion debates seems to center around a few editors, and is only seen when Monicasdude votes to keep articles where community consensus is divided or in favor of deleting. The statements made by these other editors also verge on incivility and do not contribute to calming the situation. For example,
When these editors are not present Monicasdude seems to get along fine with other editors even when his opinion on deletion is different from theirs. For example,
Monicasdude is frequently accused by other editors of acting in bad faith by removing {{ prod}} tags. Some editors revert {{ prod}} tags placed by Monicasdude in violation of proposed deletion policy. These actions by other editors verge on being uncivil and do not contribute to the well-being of the encyclopedia.
These examples were found by examining articles which Monicasdude deprodded between April 1 and April 15, 2006.
Monicasdude has frequently used this formulation on AfD.
When used at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin foxe, no one had a problem; the ultimate result of the debate was keep.
When used at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Professor Abdul Hakeem, it prompted an angry reaction from the deletion nominator, Strothra. Please remember WP:CIVIL and WP:FAITH; it seems that you have a serious problem following these policies but they are not just good policy, they are decent practice as a human being. [317] Strotha also questioned or commented on three other keep votes in that Afd.
Monicasdude used the same formulation at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keif Llama. Calton suggested MD needed anger management classes [318] and DreamGuy voted "strong delete for both this article and Monicasdude editing ability. " [319]
Theater intime was nominated for deletion one minute after its first edit by a new editor. There was no effort to contact the editor Tardonut ( talk · contribs), the first edit to his talk page was made after it was listed on AfD, and no effort was made to help improve the article. Monicasdude criticiized this behavior, largely by quoting the deletion policy that advises improving articles before deleting them. The entire debate should be read but this exchange is illustrative:
Swatjester's comment about the article failing to assert notability was made about 4 hours after its creation. It should be no surprise that new editor Tardonut has apparently left the project even though his article was kept.
More examples of newbie biting
I guess I'm late to this party, huh? Anyway, today Monicasdude has pasted the same comment to at least 34 AfDs in the span of 21 minutes, flat out accusing User:Eusebeus of bad faith because he nominated a lot of articles where the WP:PROD tags were removed. Ironically, Eusebeus provides a unique rationale for all of these nominations, he's clearly looked at the articles and agrees that they should be deleted, and is taking them to AfD perfectly in line with process, and Monicasdude is the one making bad faith comments - some as many as 3 a minute and all identicle - I find it highly unlikely he's really given much thought to the articles, so his comments to speedy keep can't be in good faith.
There's even more evidence that he wasn't paying a lot of attention as he pasted the comment to at least one AfD Eusebeus didn't even nominate [335]. -- W.marsh 14:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I see I'm not only late to the party, but crashing it, when everyone's about to go home. :-) I don't even remember how I found this place, I certainly wasn't invited.
First, let me agree strongly with everything Thatcher131 wrote above, much better than I could do.
I only "met" Monicasdude by reading WP:AFDs, so can only comment on those -- but on AFD, his contributions to save what others call "hasty, albeit good faith" nominations are invaluable. It's amazing how easily people nominate or vote "delete" on an article without doing the most trivial research... and think they're "helping the Wikipedia". Can you who actually write articles imagine how frustrating it is to have the work put in to writing a good article casually disappear hastily, albeit in good faith? I can well sympathize with the feelings MD expressed, and would make "hasty, albeit in good faith" nomination more of a censurable offence than resisting it.
OK, enough general commentary, let's investigate a few of the points that people are trying to hang MD with:
MD writes: "*Obvious Keep. "I'm pissed off at the author/subject of the article and don't care whether it meets the criteria for deletion" is not a reason to nominate an article for deletion; instead, it's arguably a WP:POINT violation. Monicasdude 15:21, 2 February 2006 (UTC)"
Incivil? Possibly, but not heinously so. Correct? Absolutely. The argument MD was apparently responding to was based on the fact that the creating user had participated in an argument on another article's talk page. That's just not a criteria for deletion. This nomination could have lost WP a very interesting article, about a researcher in the origins of all human music. That's not yet-another-garage-band, or even Pokemon, that's something that could be read with interest 200 years from now.
AFD, calls nomination "frivolous"
Well, yeah. It was frivolous. It was worse, but MD restrained himself. Read the nomination and first feedback:
"Laurance Rudic the page is full of irrelevancies Cairoguy 19:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
* No Vote. I'm confused. You're the original contributor and, as far as I can tell, except for the tags, it's the same as what you originally created. Why is it now irrelevant? -- JLaTondre 01:17, 3 February 2006 (UTC)"
I can't see how it's not civil to call that nomination frivolous - it seems to be a restrained and completely accurate description of that nomination.
Not being an admin, I can't say if that was accurate, but note that the reason given for deletion was "G1". [339]. G1, as far as I understand, means, "patent nonsense" WP:CSD - that's the official wording. From that, it's pretty clear that attacking an article is not to be considered uncivil, only attacking a contributor is. Or is "patent nonsense" somehow civil, while "incompetent" not? Is everyone who marked a page as G1 going to be on RFAr as well?
Well ... yeah. Look at the very first response to that AFD nom, from one of the people very active in this AFD, no less: "google shows [1] about 20,000 hits on his name, including publications and external interviews from some apparently notable websites and publications.... SWATJester" Calton didn't take the time to do a simple Google search on the name? It's not as if the guy was named "Smith" or something you'd expect a zillion hits on, "Skrebowski" is a rare enough name. If it wasn't a bad faith nom, it was at least a really, really lazy nom.
Again, well, yeah. Look at what happened there. SchuminWeb nominated the article, Strothra rewrote it to improve it and answer the objections, and left perfectly polite, civil notes to the objectors. The objectors read the notes, looked at the improved article, and changed their votes to keep en masse. Proper response to that action is something like "Thank you very much Strothra for improving the article, helping the encyclopedia, etc, etc." That's what the objectors wrote, after all! Instead, SW writes "It appears that Strothra has been engaging in some vote stacking". Pfeh. And MD is supposed to read "good faith" into that?
These accusations go back for months and months, and some are valid, some of them he can be properly wrist-slapped for. But, the soup has clearly been oversalted. And, frankly, if we have a choice between keeping one Monicasdude or some of those he's been uncivil against, above, I propose that we keep MD and be very glad for it. -- AnonEMouse 18:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
A campaign of removing PROD tags:
Personal attacks:
Bogus vandalism warnings on other User's talk pages when he has disagreements with them on article content:
Unfounded accusations of racism against me because of a content dispute: [360]. User:Zoe| (talk) 01:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I should stress that, until very recently, I'd not thought of Monicasdude as a problem. Having experienced a case of his assuming bad faith (in a rather unpleasant way), my attention was attracted by his name, and I found myself here. I've only one piece of evidence, therefore: after I'd nominated By any means necessary for deletion, Monicasdude left a sarcastic comment that implied that those wanting to delete or merge/redirect the article were doing so for racist reasons: [361] (my reading was confirmed when he replied to my objection — he claimed to be talking about "patterns of behaviour" rather than accusing indiviudal editors, but how one can do that is beyond me). This was uncalled for, based on no evidence, and fitted ill with the the discussion so far. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 14:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
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For simplicity's sake, all contributions I make to this RFAR are multi-licensed: I waive my GFDL right to attribution with regards to them. Stifle ( talk) 01:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
The following diffs represent instances where Monicasdude may have been incivil, in violation of official policy Wikipedia:Civility.
The following diffs represent instances where Monicasdude may have failed to assume good faith, in violation of guideline Wikipedia:Assume good faith.
The following diffs represent instances where Monicasdude may have used edit summaries inappropriately, in violation of guideline Wikipedia:Edit summary#Use_of_edit_summaries_in_disputes.
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I had a singular run-in with Monicasdude [44], one in which Swatjester and I agreed with the user. I find the response to my edit to be aggressive/passive in a confusing way that falls in line with the user's edit history. I have no issue with the user on a one-on-one level; I am here as a witness to the Plaintiff and Co-Plaintiffs as a majority of the cites happened on April 6, the day of my run-in with the user. I confirm incivility and assuming bad faith on Monicasdude's part; especially considering that Swatjester, Calton and Stifle have all agreed with the user at various times on various RfDs and that consideration is blindly ignored by Monicasdude.
A new incident against Monicasdude; including a charge against a user that very much showed good faith. T e ke 06:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Stifle's allegations are frequently inaccurate or inappropriate, and show no significant violation of Wikipedia policies. Specific examples:
Incivility (4). My exact comment was "Incompetent as the article is, the subject is legitimately notable and the article therefore should not be speedied." The article involved, Marianne Curan, was a mass of incoherent text about a notable actress. Another editor commented "I was about to vote "undelete" when I looked at the content. This sucks so badly that it's probably better to just wait until somoene comes along with a better article." [45]
Incivility (6). Article nominated for deletion, supposedly with "no indication of notability" of its subject. The subject was correctly identified as a Harvard Dean for a decade, among other substantial credentials. I saw no good faith basis for proposing deletion.
Incivility (7). The full edit summary reads "object to newbie-biting; slamming an article-in-progress one minute after a new user begins work is grossly uncivil. Give him a chance." The author of the article in question is 13 years old, and had been trying to use a template for the first time.
Incivility (8). I did not describe editors as "idiotic." I applied the term to the Blues article's devoting more space to Jack White than to any other musician, and I hardly think that comment inaccurate. Like a number of my comments that have produced undeserved hostility, it comments unfavorably (here implicitly) on the tendency toward institutional racism on Wikipedia.
Incivility (9). The full comment reads "object to deletion, lousy article about BBC TV miniseries. So fix it."
Incivility (12). Phrase extracted from a policy argument; opposing claim was that work in Broadway theater was insufficient to establish notability and that only actors with movie or TV credits could be notable. Aggressive ignorance is a major problem in the AfD arena, and sometimes the balance between honesty and politeness calls for honesty. No more uncivil, in context, that the regular charges that editors are "vain" and "self-promoting."
Bad faith (generally). The applicable standard is to assume good faith in the absence of evidence otherwise. In each example where I actually mention bad faith, I cite the basis. In most of these examples, there was clearly no reasonable, good faith basis for deleting articles on obviously notable subjects, and deletion would have damaged Wikipedia.
Bad faith (11). I described the far too common practice of tagging articles for deletion while their original authors were still working on them as "vigilante vandalism," particularly in cases where the supposed defects were cured in the finished product, but the nominator -- often a speedy nominator -- never rechecked the article. I think that's a pretty fair description, given the way such actions damage Wikipedia.
Other issues (1). User:Stifle simply misrepresents the facts here. My comment was "you shouldn't be deleting such comments from talk pages other than your own." The user it was directed to was changing another editor's statements in an AfD discussion. My comment was an entirely appropriate reflection of Wikipedia policy.
Other issues (7). The item in question was not a proposed policy or guideline. An individual user had inappropriately presented his own opinions on the subject in the format of a policy/guideline page, without taking any of the steps called for in the process for proposing policies or guidelines, and without placing any appropriate template on the page. The item was then repeatedly cited as though it were consensus policy in AfD discussions. I thought this disruptive -- a recognized standard for deletion -- and nominated the page for deletion, stating my rationale. Ironically, Stifle immediately accused me of "bad faith."
SWATJester has repeatedly made false claims of personal attacks. The applicable policy is quite clear: "It is important not to personalize comments that are directed at content and actions, but it is equally important not to interpret such comments as personal attacks. Specific examples of comments that are not personal attacks include, but are not limited to . . . "
"Personal attacks do not include civil language used to describe an editor's actions, and when made without involving their personal character, should not be construed as personal attacks. Stating "Your statement is a personal attack..." is not itself a personal attack — it is a statement regarding the actions of the user, not a statement about the user."
I commented that SWATJester's actions violated the WP:BITE guideline. That is not a personal attack, and the language of WP:NPA should make clear to every reasonable user that describing another editor's actions in the context of applicable policies/guidelines is itself not a personal attack, whether the characterization of those actions is favorable or unfavorable. SWATJester's repeated claims that such comments violated WP:NPA were clearly incorrect, and his repeated posting of demands that I retract my statements, personally directed and framed in increasingly harsh language, should be viewed as significant violations of WP:Civility.
Stifle has provided already much of the evidence, however I'll throw in the parts related to me.
Monicasdude claims that I wikistalk him on AfD. My only response to this ludicrous claim, is that there are only so many AfD's per day. It's inevitable that we come across each other. TKE summed this up well. Further: I've been nominating AfD's since February 1, and voting since before that.
For completeness's sake.
(Copied from Requests for checkuser)
Monicasdude is currently in an ArbCom hearing, where the Proposed decision is likely to result in Monicasdude being banned from the deletion process. A finding of fact will probably find that Monicasdude is uncivil, which Visions1965 certainly is. While Visions1965 only currently has 3 edits, 2 of those are viciously defending a link to http://www.angelfire.com/wa/monicasdude in Bob Dylan, an article Monicasdude has edited a significant amount of times, and the account could certainly be used in the future to bypass any remedy placed on Monicadude by the Arbitration Committee. Visions1965 actually knew on his second edit ever that "You and your weird friends may hate the guy who runs it," despite never even editing a project or even article page. In addition, Visions1965 was created at 13:56, April 27, 2006. Monicasdude started editing that day at basically the same time, with a short break around the time when Visions1965 was created. -- Rory096 18:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
My first interaction with Monicasdude was in regards to a 3RR report [285]. After having reviewed the report, it appeared that both parties were handling the situation poorly, but since the dispute was almost an hour old, I chose to warn them and encourage discussion. Monicasdude appeared to be bothered by my decision and felt that the second party (Huaiwei) should have been blocked. [286] I explained my decision and advised him that he was welcome to have the decision reviewed by other admins if he still felt I was incorrect. [287] Monicasdude continues to assert that removing a referenced statement and making contested edits doesn't require consensus or discussion. He claims the issue was verifiability, the statement wasn't supported by the reference, and yet failed to explain his opinion or support it in any way. Monicasdude appears to have a pattern of changing his argument as soon as the fallacy of his previous argument is pointed out.
Later, Monicasdude inserted himself into an RfAR I was involved in by soliciting one of the involved parties to allow him to be advocate. While I mentioned that I had reservations about this decision, I chose not to object. Shortly after joining the RfAR, he made controversial edits to the article in dispute to advance his clients POV (directly after his client was *blocked* for edits disturbing the same picture). I found this incredibly disturbing and said so in the discussion on the RfAR. [288] And again, he responded by refusing to acknowledge my concerns and attacking [289].
The discussion over the 3RR report quickly degenerated; Monicasdude was incredibly hostile and often very misleading in his comments. The facts simply did not support his version of events, even to the point that he contradicted himself several times. [290], [291], [292]
Several days later, Terence Ong left me a message concerning Monicasdude's continuing behavior [293]; I simply referred him to our dispute resolution process [294]. I was surprised to get a message from Monicasdude shortly thereafter claiming my behavior continued to be inappropriate [295] and again the situation rapidly dengerated when Monicasdude didn't get the result he wanted. A sample of some of the comments:
The RfC brought after this incident followed the same pattern:
I was hoping to be able to come by and say that Monicasdude's civility had improved since the start of this RfAR -- I've run across several very toned down prod removals and helpful AfD discussions. Unfortunately, a quick glance through his past 20 edits brought up two more incredibly rude comments:
I believe Monicasdude's responses to his previous RfCs and this RfAR illustrate his pattern of behavior better than all the evidence in the world ever could. Quite simply, he refuses to acknowledge any lack of courtesy or disruption on his part and cites a host of invented grievances against anyone who attempts to address his disruption. He appears to believe that only his opinion of how policies should be applied is correct and will use any tactic nessesary to enforce his viewpoint. Far too much fruitless time and energy has already been spent attempting to encourage him to review his behavior, to say nothing of the immense strain his constant disruption causes.
Monicasdude can make very constructive contributions, particularly in catching prod or speedy noms that are simply little-known or poorly worded. Unfortunately, the constant disruption caused by his abrasive and even abusive comments while performing these actions far out weighs the good he has done in saving these articles.
The evidence that Monicasdude is uncivil in deletion debates seems to center around a few editors, and is only seen when Monicasdude votes to keep articles where community consensus is divided or in favor of deleting. The statements made by these other editors also verge on incivility and do not contribute to calming the situation. For example,
When these editors are not present Monicasdude seems to get along fine with other editors even when his opinion on deletion is different from theirs. For example,
Monicasdude is frequently accused by other editors of acting in bad faith by removing {{ prod}} tags. Some editors revert {{ prod}} tags placed by Monicasdude in violation of proposed deletion policy. These actions by other editors verge on being uncivil and do not contribute to the well-being of the encyclopedia.
These examples were found by examining articles which Monicasdude deprodded between April 1 and April 15, 2006.
Monicasdude has frequently used this formulation on AfD.
When used at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin foxe, no one had a problem; the ultimate result of the debate was keep.
When used at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Professor Abdul Hakeem, it prompted an angry reaction from the deletion nominator, Strothra. Please remember WP:CIVIL and WP:FAITH; it seems that you have a serious problem following these policies but they are not just good policy, they are decent practice as a human being. [317] Strotha also questioned or commented on three other keep votes in that Afd.
Monicasdude used the same formulation at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keif Llama. Calton suggested MD needed anger management classes [318] and DreamGuy voted "strong delete for both this article and Monicasdude editing ability. " [319]
Theater intime was nominated for deletion one minute after its first edit by a new editor. There was no effort to contact the editor Tardonut ( talk · contribs), the first edit to his talk page was made after it was listed on AfD, and no effort was made to help improve the article. Monicasdude criticiized this behavior, largely by quoting the deletion policy that advises improving articles before deleting them. The entire debate should be read but this exchange is illustrative:
Swatjester's comment about the article failing to assert notability was made about 4 hours after its creation. It should be no surprise that new editor Tardonut has apparently left the project even though his article was kept.
More examples of newbie biting
I guess I'm late to this party, huh? Anyway, today Monicasdude has pasted the same comment to at least 34 AfDs in the span of 21 minutes, flat out accusing User:Eusebeus of bad faith because he nominated a lot of articles where the WP:PROD tags were removed. Ironically, Eusebeus provides a unique rationale for all of these nominations, he's clearly looked at the articles and agrees that they should be deleted, and is taking them to AfD perfectly in line with process, and Monicasdude is the one making bad faith comments - some as many as 3 a minute and all identicle - I find it highly unlikely he's really given much thought to the articles, so his comments to speedy keep can't be in good faith.
There's even more evidence that he wasn't paying a lot of attention as he pasted the comment to at least one AfD Eusebeus didn't even nominate [335]. -- W.marsh 14:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I see I'm not only late to the party, but crashing it, when everyone's about to go home. :-) I don't even remember how I found this place, I certainly wasn't invited.
First, let me agree strongly with everything Thatcher131 wrote above, much better than I could do.
I only "met" Monicasdude by reading WP:AFDs, so can only comment on those -- but on AFD, his contributions to save what others call "hasty, albeit good faith" nominations are invaluable. It's amazing how easily people nominate or vote "delete" on an article without doing the most trivial research... and think they're "helping the Wikipedia". Can you who actually write articles imagine how frustrating it is to have the work put in to writing a good article casually disappear hastily, albeit in good faith? I can well sympathize with the feelings MD expressed, and would make "hasty, albeit in good faith" nomination more of a censurable offence than resisting it.
OK, enough general commentary, let's investigate a few of the points that people are trying to hang MD with:
MD writes: "*Obvious Keep. "I'm pissed off at the author/subject of the article and don't care whether it meets the criteria for deletion" is not a reason to nominate an article for deletion; instead, it's arguably a WP:POINT violation. Monicasdude 15:21, 2 February 2006 (UTC)"
Incivil? Possibly, but not heinously so. Correct? Absolutely. The argument MD was apparently responding to was based on the fact that the creating user had participated in an argument on another article's talk page. That's just not a criteria for deletion. This nomination could have lost WP a very interesting article, about a researcher in the origins of all human music. That's not yet-another-garage-band, or even Pokemon, that's something that could be read with interest 200 years from now.
AFD, calls nomination "frivolous"
Well, yeah. It was frivolous. It was worse, but MD restrained himself. Read the nomination and first feedback:
"Laurance Rudic the page is full of irrelevancies Cairoguy 19:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
* No Vote. I'm confused. You're the original contributor and, as far as I can tell, except for the tags, it's the same as what you originally created. Why is it now irrelevant? -- JLaTondre 01:17, 3 February 2006 (UTC)"
I can't see how it's not civil to call that nomination frivolous - it seems to be a restrained and completely accurate description of that nomination.
Not being an admin, I can't say if that was accurate, but note that the reason given for deletion was "G1". [339]. G1, as far as I understand, means, "patent nonsense" WP:CSD - that's the official wording. From that, it's pretty clear that attacking an article is not to be considered uncivil, only attacking a contributor is. Or is "patent nonsense" somehow civil, while "incompetent" not? Is everyone who marked a page as G1 going to be on RFAr as well?
Well ... yeah. Look at the very first response to that AFD nom, from one of the people very active in this AFD, no less: "google shows [1] about 20,000 hits on his name, including publications and external interviews from some apparently notable websites and publications.... SWATJester" Calton didn't take the time to do a simple Google search on the name? It's not as if the guy was named "Smith" or something you'd expect a zillion hits on, "Skrebowski" is a rare enough name. If it wasn't a bad faith nom, it was at least a really, really lazy nom.
Again, well, yeah. Look at what happened there. SchuminWeb nominated the article, Strothra rewrote it to improve it and answer the objections, and left perfectly polite, civil notes to the objectors. The objectors read the notes, looked at the improved article, and changed their votes to keep en masse. Proper response to that action is something like "Thank you very much Strothra for improving the article, helping the encyclopedia, etc, etc." That's what the objectors wrote, after all! Instead, SW writes "It appears that Strothra has been engaging in some vote stacking". Pfeh. And MD is supposed to read "good faith" into that?
These accusations go back for months and months, and some are valid, some of them he can be properly wrist-slapped for. But, the soup has clearly been oversalted. And, frankly, if we have a choice between keeping one Monicasdude or some of those he's been uncivil against, above, I propose that we keep MD and be very glad for it. -- AnonEMouse 18:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
A campaign of removing PROD tags:
Personal attacks:
Bogus vandalism warnings on other User's talk pages when he has disagreements with them on article content:
Unfounded accusations of racism against me because of a content dispute: [360]. User:Zoe| (talk) 01:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I should stress that, until very recently, I'd not thought of Monicasdude as a problem. Having experienced a case of his assuming bad faith (in a rather unpleasant way), my attention was attracted by his name, and I found myself here. I've only one piece of evidence, therefore: after I'd nominated By any means necessary for deletion, Monicasdude left a sarcastic comment that implied that those wanting to delete or merge/redirect the article were doing so for racist reasons: [361] (my reading was confirmed when he replied to my objection — he claimed to be talking about "patterns of behaviour" rather than accusing indiviudal editors, but how one can do that is beyond me). This was uncalled for, based on no evidence, and fitted ill with the the discussion so far. -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 14:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)