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KDRGibby maintains a "List of Wiki Bullies" at User talk:KDRGibby#List of Wiki Bullies. According to KDRGibby, "Not surprisingly most of these are suspected to be leftists/conservative (aka lovers of big government, socialism, communism, e'tatism, corpratism, tariffs, income taxes, FDR, the NEW DEAL etc etc etc) of some sort, thus they desire to eliminate any points by libertarians (me)or other editors with contradictory views."
Time of writing is 09:49, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
KDRGibby constantly revert and edit wars, and misuses boiler templates.
KDRGibby constantly refuses to assume good faith about editors. If he gets into a disagreement with a user, rather than assuming in good faith they have valid and legitimate reasons for disputing content, many times he accuses such editors that they do not want content included or excluded because they want to censor the information or promote their own view.
In edit summaries and talk pages, he makes remarks about the intelligence or the character of the editors he is involved in a dispute with. This is evidently a ad hominem, which only serves to disrupt the community. Impolite in disputes.
KDRGibby has harassed several users.
I had never heard of this person until he showed-up on my talk page to stalk me and challenge my edits on Conservatism and Liberalism as they related to historic tariff policies in various ideologies. I don't mind debate, but I do not like to be insulted. TrulyTory 13:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Makes drastic assertions and speculative attacks about personal beliefs, as in:
"You sound like a nationalist and perhaps a bit of a socialist...thats a national socialist by the way." [65]
More personal insults and attacks, rather than intelligent discourse:
"I also dont think you are really aware of how international competition really works...whether or not you actually worked for a fortune 100 company (mail room?). Who says that size of the company is what matters? Seriously." [66]
KDRGibby has been using this article to insert his personal point of view into Wikipedia. This edit was quickly reverted by MisterHand ( talk · contribs): [81]. Another attempt was reverted by Crotalus horridus ( talk · contribs): [82]. KDRGibby then reverted back ( [83]). Crotalus Horridus then removed several paragraphs of POV content ( [84]). KDRGibby reverted this, calling it a "wal-mart hating socialists rampage" ( [85]). Crotalus Horridus then reverted. KDRGibby reverted again ( [86]). The revert war continued, with KDRGibby making comments like "if the damn admins wont stop editors from 4 reverts then they wont stop them from 5!!!! reverting this leftist vandalistic bullshit when this previous editor should already be blocked" : [87], [88], [89], [90]. Curps made the last revert of KDRGibby's edits when Crotalus Horridus had made three reverts: [91]. KDRGibby reverted him too. Instead of reverting, I then tried for a compromise. I don't know if this'll work, as the dispute appears to be on-going.
KDRGibby has made a series of personal attacks in the edit summaries on Che Guevara. In particular:
I've warned him that further such personal attacks in edit summaries will lead to escalating blocks; he seems unimpressed (and has removed the warnings from his talk page.) -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 18:42, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
He has got himself blocked yet again [96], and removed the notification [97] with the grossly incivil hows this, Fuck you Alai, discussing shit with these people is impossible because they make unreasonable demands they know cannot be filled and if filled delete them anyway...so fuck you. William M. Connolley 20:30, 29 January 2006 (UTC).
I may as well throw in Communists and Socialists are Stupid People...End of Story [98] and the associated text. Gibby isn't getting any better. William M. Connolley 21:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC).
Edit war of Gift economy between KDRGibby and Natalinasmpf; beginning with this entry with a total of 36 changes largely between KDRGibby and Natalinasmpf at the time of this posting. Bo-Lingua 01:11, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
KDRGibby refuses to be cooperative, and, when "cornered" will resort to name calling, accusations and petty mudslinging; s/he seems to take all question relating to anything s/he adds very, very personally. [99] Bo-Lingua 07:34, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
KDRGibby's submission on Parecon consisted of a paraphrase of Friedman's general critique of any market alternatives. It contains no specific reference to Parecon and there is no evidence that Friedman has ever read Parecon. From the outset KDRG demonstrated his ignorance of parecon by maintaining that it advocates the elimination of prices, a claim which is obviously false to anyone who has read a fair sample of the material. My point is not to outlaw criticism but rather to ensure that what is included in the article is informed and topical, and that general criticism can be demonstrated to be sustainable at lower levels of abstraction (at the level of specifics), otherwise we are dealing with straw man fallacies and consequently compromising the quality of the article. If KDRG's version of the article is upheld then it would seem to set a standard for diffuse smearing rather pointed and specific critique. An analogous move might have me moving in on the article for Austrian economics by paraphrasing a Marxist critic of capitalism who was nevertheless unaware of the specific features of Austrian political economy, and adding roughly 30% to its content. It would set a very bad precedent. Anyway I can, and would be happy, to expand on any of the more technical matters if necessary. Thanks for your consideration. BernardL 01:06, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't think this is a crucial piece of evidence, but, for what its worth: KDRGibby seems to have become aware of the Economy of the Iroquois through the Gift economy article. He added to the Economy of the Iroquois listing in the see also section he added "though it is questioned if a barter economy accuratly represents what is discribed as a gift economy." [100] He did not back this with any reference or debate. He then went to the Iroquois article and removed the intro reference to the Iroquois gift reference and replaced it with text saying they had a barter economy. [101] He declared that the Iroquois gift economy aspects were original research in his edit summary without further explanation. Iroquois gift-giving in trade is cited and discussed extensively in this featured article. Further edits ensued. More discussion followed at User talk:KDRGibby and Talk:Gift economy. Basically, the incident provides evidence that KDRGibby is trying to make Wikipedia conform to his belief system and that he can be very stubborn when he is trying to achieve this goal.-- Bkwillwm 07:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Anyone, whether directly involved or not, may add evidence to this page. Please make a header for your evidence and sign your comments with your name.
When placing evidence here, please be considerate of the arbitrators and be concise. Long, rambling, or stream-of-conciousness rants are not helpful.
As such, it is extremely important that you use the prescribed format. Submitted evidence should include a link to the actual page diff; links to the page itself are not sufficient. For example, to cite the edit by Mennonot to the article Anomalous phenomenon adding a link to Hundredth Monkey use this form: [http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Anomalous_phenomenon&diff=5587219&oldid=5584644] [1].
This page is not for general discussion - for that, see talk page.
Please make a section for your evidence and add evidence only in your own section. Please limit your evidence to a maximum 1000 words and 100 diffs, a much shorter, concise presentation is more likely to be effective. Please focus on the issues raised in the complaint and answer and on diffs which illustrate behavior which relates to the issues.
If you disagree with some evidence you see here, please cite the evidence in your own section and provide counter-evidence, or an explanation of why the evidence is misleading. Do not edit within the evidence section of any other user.
Be aware that the Arbitrators may at times rework this page to try to make it more coherent. If you are a participant in the case or a third party, please don't try to refactor the page, let the Arbitrators do it. If you object to evidence which is inserted by other participants or third parties please cite the evidence and voice your objections within your own section of the page. It is especially important to not remove evidence presented by others. If something is put in the wrong place, please leave it for the arbitrators to move.
The Arbitrators may analyze evidence and other assertions at /Workshop. /Workshop provides for comment by parties and others as well as arbitrators. After arriving at proposed principles, findings of fact or remedies voting by Arbitrators takes place at /Proposed decision. Only Arbitrators may edit /Proposed decision.
KDRGibby maintains a "List of Wiki Bullies" at User talk:KDRGibby#List of Wiki Bullies. According to KDRGibby, "Not surprisingly most of these are suspected to be leftists/conservative (aka lovers of big government, socialism, communism, e'tatism, corpratism, tariffs, income taxes, FDR, the NEW DEAL etc etc etc) of some sort, thus they desire to eliminate any points by libertarians (me)or other editors with contradictory views."
Time of writing is 09:49, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
KDRGibby constantly revert and edit wars, and misuses boiler templates.
KDRGibby constantly refuses to assume good faith about editors. If he gets into a disagreement with a user, rather than assuming in good faith they have valid and legitimate reasons for disputing content, many times he accuses such editors that they do not want content included or excluded because they want to censor the information or promote their own view.
In edit summaries and talk pages, he makes remarks about the intelligence or the character of the editors he is involved in a dispute with. This is evidently a ad hominem, which only serves to disrupt the community. Impolite in disputes.
KDRGibby has harassed several users.
I had never heard of this person until he showed-up on my talk page to stalk me and challenge my edits on Conservatism and Liberalism as they related to historic tariff policies in various ideologies. I don't mind debate, but I do not like to be insulted. TrulyTory 13:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Makes drastic assertions and speculative attacks about personal beliefs, as in:
"You sound like a nationalist and perhaps a bit of a socialist...thats a national socialist by the way." [65]
More personal insults and attacks, rather than intelligent discourse:
"I also dont think you are really aware of how international competition really works...whether or not you actually worked for a fortune 100 company (mail room?). Who says that size of the company is what matters? Seriously." [66]
KDRGibby has been using this article to insert his personal point of view into Wikipedia. This edit was quickly reverted by MisterHand ( talk · contribs): [81]. Another attempt was reverted by Crotalus horridus ( talk · contribs): [82]. KDRGibby then reverted back ( [83]). Crotalus Horridus then removed several paragraphs of POV content ( [84]). KDRGibby reverted this, calling it a "wal-mart hating socialists rampage" ( [85]). Crotalus Horridus then reverted. KDRGibby reverted again ( [86]). The revert war continued, with KDRGibby making comments like "if the damn admins wont stop editors from 4 reverts then they wont stop them from 5!!!! reverting this leftist vandalistic bullshit when this previous editor should already be blocked" : [87], [88], [89], [90]. Curps made the last revert of KDRGibby's edits when Crotalus Horridus had made three reverts: [91]. KDRGibby reverted him too. Instead of reverting, I then tried for a compromise. I don't know if this'll work, as the dispute appears to be on-going.
KDRGibby has made a series of personal attacks in the edit summaries on Che Guevara. In particular:
I've warned him that further such personal attacks in edit summaries will lead to escalating blocks; he seems unimpressed (and has removed the warnings from his talk page.) -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 18:42, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
He has got himself blocked yet again [96], and removed the notification [97] with the grossly incivil hows this, Fuck you Alai, discussing shit with these people is impossible because they make unreasonable demands they know cannot be filled and if filled delete them anyway...so fuck you. William M. Connolley 20:30, 29 January 2006 (UTC).
I may as well throw in Communists and Socialists are Stupid People...End of Story [98] and the associated text. Gibby isn't getting any better. William M. Connolley 21:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC).
Edit war of Gift economy between KDRGibby and Natalinasmpf; beginning with this entry with a total of 36 changes largely between KDRGibby and Natalinasmpf at the time of this posting. Bo-Lingua 01:11, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
KDRGibby refuses to be cooperative, and, when "cornered" will resort to name calling, accusations and petty mudslinging; s/he seems to take all question relating to anything s/he adds very, very personally. [99] Bo-Lingua 07:34, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
KDRGibby's submission on Parecon consisted of a paraphrase of Friedman's general critique of any market alternatives. It contains no specific reference to Parecon and there is no evidence that Friedman has ever read Parecon. From the outset KDRG demonstrated his ignorance of parecon by maintaining that it advocates the elimination of prices, a claim which is obviously false to anyone who has read a fair sample of the material. My point is not to outlaw criticism but rather to ensure that what is included in the article is informed and topical, and that general criticism can be demonstrated to be sustainable at lower levels of abstraction (at the level of specifics), otherwise we are dealing with straw man fallacies and consequently compromising the quality of the article. If KDRG's version of the article is upheld then it would seem to set a standard for diffuse smearing rather pointed and specific critique. An analogous move might have me moving in on the article for Austrian economics by paraphrasing a Marxist critic of capitalism who was nevertheless unaware of the specific features of Austrian political economy, and adding roughly 30% to its content. It would set a very bad precedent. Anyway I can, and would be happy, to expand on any of the more technical matters if necessary. Thanks for your consideration. BernardL 01:06, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't think this is a crucial piece of evidence, but, for what its worth: KDRGibby seems to have become aware of the Economy of the Iroquois through the Gift economy article. He added to the Economy of the Iroquois listing in the see also section he added "though it is questioned if a barter economy accuratly represents what is discribed as a gift economy." [100] He did not back this with any reference or debate. He then went to the Iroquois article and removed the intro reference to the Iroquois gift reference and replaced it with text saying they had a barter economy. [101] He declared that the Iroquois gift economy aspects were original research in his edit summary without further explanation. Iroquois gift-giving in trade is cited and discussed extensively in this featured article. Further edits ensued. More discussion followed at User talk:KDRGibby and Talk:Gift economy. Basically, the incident provides evidence that KDRGibby is trying to make Wikipedia conform to his belief system and that he can be very stubborn when he is trying to achieve this goal.-- Bkwillwm 07:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)