This is a page for working on Arbitration decisions. It provides for suggestions by Arbitrators and other users and for comment by arbitrators, the parties and others. After the analysis of /Evidence here and development of proposed principles, findings of fact, and remedies, Arbitrators will vote at /Proposed decision.. Anyone who edits should sign all suggestions and comments. Arbitrators will place proposed items they have confidence in on /Proposed decision.
1) Request for checkuser investigation WP:RCU of User:TedMundy. To see if the ip's used for that account correspond to any of the ip's used for the User:Cberlet or User:LucVerhelst accounts. User:TedMundy has made only a marginal number of edits, albeit some quite interesting ones, in light of the actions of the latter two users. Intangible 02:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
2) Request for checkuser investigation WP:RCU of the following ip's used for editing pages connected to this arbitration to detect potenitial sockpuppetry as per note by LucVerhelst above: User:Intangible, User:1652186, User:TheIndividualist, User:Jvb. -- Cberlet 14:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
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1) Propose temporary injunction against User:Intangible against editing any more category pages, editing categories on entry pages, or seeking deletion or renaming of categories. In the past few days User:Intangible has carried out scores of such edits. See: here.-- Cberlet 02:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Politics: Categories, Cross-Referencing, and Taxonomy
If you think that the point of Wikipedia is to make neat category lists for editors to admire, then read no further. If, however, you think the point of an encyclopedia like Wikipedia is to help readers find useful information, please read on.
On Wikipedia the Categories function as a rough cross-referencing system that supplements “See also,” inline links, etc. As someone who writes entries for print encyclopedias, I have been delighted in the way that categories work on Wikipedia.
For weeks, now, User:Intangible has been removing valuable and useful category information placed on a page by an editor seeking to guide readers to related information. User:Intangible has been removing hundreds of these category links as part of a massive scheme to create a categorization system that looks neat, is totally hierarchical, and removes what appear to be redundant categories.
Only they are not redundant. While cross-referencing in a print encyclopedia often involves the creation of a hierarchical taxonomy tree (the text equivalent of an algorithm), and while sometimes such category trees are published, they exist primarily as work tools for writers and editors to consult when adding cross-references to an entry.
So an entry might usefully have several cross-references from the same taxonomy branch, including categories higher and lower on that branch.
Here is a simple example of category deletion by User:Intangible from Fascism and Ideology:
[[Category:Fascism]]......................[[Category:Fascism]]
[[Category:Political theories]]...........
[[Category:Economic ideologies]]..........
[[Category:Anti-communism]]...............
According to User:Intangible: “(they are redundant because, for example, :Category:Fascism is already a subcat of :Anti-communism. Sigh.)”
User:Intangible thus has the concept of cross-referencing for an encyclopedia upside down. Readers often follow categories up from the bottom of the branch. There are two problems with what User:Intangible did here.
1): Both [[Category:Fascism]] and [[Category:Anti-communism]] are useful categories for readers of this entry on Fascism and Ideology. The categories are not “redundant,” they are complementary.
2): A reader sent only to [[Category:Fascism]] is confronted with 10 subcategories and 42 page entries. Nowhere does [[Category:Anti-communism]] appear. How is the reader to figure out that [[Category:Anti-communism]] is relevant if the [[Category:Anti-communism]] has been deleted from the page entry? Is the reader supposed to have memorized the entire category taxonomy tree from Wikipedia? User:Intangible is designing a system that only makes sense for editors working from the top of the hierarchy down the tree, but this approach is useless for readers of page entries. Yes, [[Category:Fascism]] is a subcategory of [[Category:Anti-communism]], but a reader now has no way to know that is the case if he or she is starting on the page entry Fascism and Ideology.
User:Intangible is not deleting “redundant” categories, but deleting useful information that readers can use productively.
Sometimes User:Intangible appears to consolidate categories and describes it as “-redundant cats,” or “recat,” when far more is going on. Sometimes, User:Intangible is removing information in a way that reflects a biased POV. Here is an example from the entry on Corporatism:
[[Category:Fascism]]..................[[Category:Fascism]]
[[Category:Globalization]]............
[[Category:Politics]].................
................................................[[Category:Political systems]]
Globalization is directly related to the entry on Corporatism, but it has vanished. In its place is [[Category:Political Systems]], which does not list Globalization as a subcategory. Here User:Intangible has not just recategorized, but deleted a useful cross-reference.
Here is an example from Fascism:
[[Category:Anti-communism]]....................
[[Category:Fascism]]...........................[[Category:Fascism]]
[[Category:Politics of Italy]].................[[Category:Politics of Italy]]
[[Category:Political theories]]................
......................................................[[Category:Political ideologies]]
[[Category:Political systems]].................[[Category:Political systems]]
[[Category:Nazi Germany]].................
[[Category:Anti-Semitism]]................
[[Category:Economic ideologies]]..........[[Category:Economic ideologies]]
[[Category:Economic systems]].............[[Category:Economic systems]]
One can argue that the deletion of [[Category:Nazi Germany]] might make sense. The most glaring POV edit, however, is the removal of [[Category:Anti-Semitism]] from the entry on Fascism. Also note the removal of [[Category:Anti-communism]]. One of the core aspects of Fascism is its Anti-Communism, according to the entry itself.
If an editor went through the entries in a print encyclopedia removing all the cross-references that fell under a higher level taxonomic category heading, they would be fired as incompetent or sent for treatment for an obsessive-compulsive disorder. Why? Because the point of an encyclopedia is to help readers find useful information, not make neat lists that editors can admire for their sleek lack of “redundancy.”
If as an administrator you are pleased with a reconfiguration of the cross-referencing of the Politics section that will satisfy the handful of readers with an obsessive-compulsive disorder, then do nothing.
After all, for some people the point of a meal is the chance to line up the utensils. But for those of us who look at Wikipedia as an intellectual meal that provides sustenance, then as administrators you are allowing one fanatic to steal food off our plates.-- Cberlet 13:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
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1) {text of proposed principle}
1) Users who disrupt articles or sets of articles by edit warring or otherwise may be banned from editing in that area, in extreme cases from the site.
2) Wikipedia is not censored. The words used in ordinary English usage to describe a subject may be used in Wikipedia.
1) {text of proposed principle}
1) {text of proposed principle}
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1) {text of proposed finding of fact}
1) The locus of the dispute is edits by Intangible ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) to articles which relate to nationalist or right wing European political parties. It is alleged that Intangible engages in tendentious editing which minimizes the neo-fascist tendencies of such parties. Cberlet ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and other have taken an opposing view.
2) Intangible has engaged in tendentious editing [8] [9], [10], and [11], and [12]. There are many more examples on the evidence page. Many of these involve squeamishness about using the ordinary English words used to designate fascism [13].
3) in at least one instance Intangible has removed referenced material based on his personal analysis [19]
4) Intangible has removed referenced information and references [21] and [22]
4) WGee ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has engaged in tendentious editing with respect to articles which concern totalitarian leftist regimes [25].
1) {text of proposed finding of fact}
1) {text of proposed finding of fact}
1) {text of proposed finding of fact}
Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.
1) {text of proposed remedy}
1) Intangible is placed on probation. He may be banned for appropriate periods from any article or set of articles which he disrupts by tendentious editing. All bans to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Intangible#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.
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1) {text of proposed enforcement}
1) Should Intangible violate any ban imposed under this decision, he may be blocked for an appropriate period of time. Blocks to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Intangible#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.
1) {text of proposed enforcement}
1) {text of proposed enforcement}
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Place here items of evidence (with diffs) and detailed analysis
This is a page for working on Arbitration decisions. It provides for suggestions by Arbitrators and other users and for comment by arbitrators, the parties and others. After the analysis of /Evidence here and development of proposed principles, findings of fact, and remedies, Arbitrators will vote at /Proposed decision.. Anyone who edits should sign all suggestions and comments. Arbitrators will place proposed items they have confidence in on /Proposed decision.
1) Request for checkuser investigation WP:RCU of User:TedMundy. To see if the ip's used for that account correspond to any of the ip's used for the User:Cberlet or User:LucVerhelst accounts. User:TedMundy has made only a marginal number of edits, albeit some quite interesting ones, in light of the actions of the latter two users. Intangible 02:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
2) Request for checkuser investigation WP:RCU of the following ip's used for editing pages connected to this arbitration to detect potenitial sockpuppetry as per note by LucVerhelst above: User:Intangible, User:1652186, User:TheIndividualist, User:Jvb. -- Cberlet 14:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
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1) Propose temporary injunction against User:Intangible against editing any more category pages, editing categories on entry pages, or seeking deletion or renaming of categories. In the past few days User:Intangible has carried out scores of such edits. See: here.-- Cberlet 02:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Politics: Categories, Cross-Referencing, and Taxonomy
If you think that the point of Wikipedia is to make neat category lists for editors to admire, then read no further. If, however, you think the point of an encyclopedia like Wikipedia is to help readers find useful information, please read on.
On Wikipedia the Categories function as a rough cross-referencing system that supplements “See also,” inline links, etc. As someone who writes entries for print encyclopedias, I have been delighted in the way that categories work on Wikipedia.
For weeks, now, User:Intangible has been removing valuable and useful category information placed on a page by an editor seeking to guide readers to related information. User:Intangible has been removing hundreds of these category links as part of a massive scheme to create a categorization system that looks neat, is totally hierarchical, and removes what appear to be redundant categories.
Only they are not redundant. While cross-referencing in a print encyclopedia often involves the creation of a hierarchical taxonomy tree (the text equivalent of an algorithm), and while sometimes such category trees are published, they exist primarily as work tools for writers and editors to consult when adding cross-references to an entry.
So an entry might usefully have several cross-references from the same taxonomy branch, including categories higher and lower on that branch.
Here is a simple example of category deletion by User:Intangible from Fascism and Ideology:
[[Category:Fascism]]......................[[Category:Fascism]]
[[Category:Political theories]]...........
[[Category:Economic ideologies]]..........
[[Category:Anti-communism]]...............
According to User:Intangible: “(they are redundant because, for example, :Category:Fascism is already a subcat of :Anti-communism. Sigh.)”
User:Intangible thus has the concept of cross-referencing for an encyclopedia upside down. Readers often follow categories up from the bottom of the branch. There are two problems with what User:Intangible did here.
1): Both [[Category:Fascism]] and [[Category:Anti-communism]] are useful categories for readers of this entry on Fascism and Ideology. The categories are not “redundant,” they are complementary.
2): A reader sent only to [[Category:Fascism]] is confronted with 10 subcategories and 42 page entries. Nowhere does [[Category:Anti-communism]] appear. How is the reader to figure out that [[Category:Anti-communism]] is relevant if the [[Category:Anti-communism]] has been deleted from the page entry? Is the reader supposed to have memorized the entire category taxonomy tree from Wikipedia? User:Intangible is designing a system that only makes sense for editors working from the top of the hierarchy down the tree, but this approach is useless for readers of page entries. Yes, [[Category:Fascism]] is a subcategory of [[Category:Anti-communism]], but a reader now has no way to know that is the case if he or she is starting on the page entry Fascism and Ideology.
User:Intangible is not deleting “redundant” categories, but deleting useful information that readers can use productively.
Sometimes User:Intangible appears to consolidate categories and describes it as “-redundant cats,” or “recat,” when far more is going on. Sometimes, User:Intangible is removing information in a way that reflects a biased POV. Here is an example from the entry on Corporatism:
[[Category:Fascism]]..................[[Category:Fascism]]
[[Category:Globalization]]............
[[Category:Politics]].................
................................................[[Category:Political systems]]
Globalization is directly related to the entry on Corporatism, but it has vanished. In its place is [[Category:Political Systems]], which does not list Globalization as a subcategory. Here User:Intangible has not just recategorized, but deleted a useful cross-reference.
Here is an example from Fascism:
[[Category:Anti-communism]]....................
[[Category:Fascism]]...........................[[Category:Fascism]]
[[Category:Politics of Italy]].................[[Category:Politics of Italy]]
[[Category:Political theories]]................
......................................................[[Category:Political ideologies]]
[[Category:Political systems]].................[[Category:Political systems]]
[[Category:Nazi Germany]].................
[[Category:Anti-Semitism]]................
[[Category:Economic ideologies]]..........[[Category:Economic ideologies]]
[[Category:Economic systems]].............[[Category:Economic systems]]
One can argue that the deletion of [[Category:Nazi Germany]] might make sense. The most glaring POV edit, however, is the removal of [[Category:Anti-Semitism]] from the entry on Fascism. Also note the removal of [[Category:Anti-communism]]. One of the core aspects of Fascism is its Anti-Communism, according to the entry itself.
If an editor went through the entries in a print encyclopedia removing all the cross-references that fell under a higher level taxonomic category heading, they would be fired as incompetent or sent for treatment for an obsessive-compulsive disorder. Why? Because the point of an encyclopedia is to help readers find useful information, not make neat lists that editors can admire for their sleek lack of “redundancy.”
If as an administrator you are pleased with a reconfiguration of the cross-referencing of the Politics section that will satisfy the handful of readers with an obsessive-compulsive disorder, then do nothing.
After all, for some people the point of a meal is the chance to line up the utensils. But for those of us who look at Wikipedia as an intellectual meal that provides sustenance, then as administrators you are allowing one fanatic to steal food off our plates.-- Cberlet 13:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
1)
1)
1)
1) {text of proposed principle}
1) Users who disrupt articles or sets of articles by edit warring or otherwise may be banned from editing in that area, in extreme cases from the site.
2) Wikipedia is not censored. The words used in ordinary English usage to describe a subject may be used in Wikipedia.
1) {text of proposed principle}
1) {text of proposed principle}
1) {text of proposed principle}
1) {text of proposed principle}
1) {text of proposed finding of fact}
1) The locus of the dispute is edits by Intangible ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) to articles which relate to nationalist or right wing European political parties. It is alleged that Intangible engages in tendentious editing which minimizes the neo-fascist tendencies of such parties. Cberlet ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and other have taken an opposing view.
2) Intangible has engaged in tendentious editing [8] [9], [10], and [11], and [12]. There are many more examples on the evidence page. Many of these involve squeamishness about using the ordinary English words used to designate fascism [13].
3) in at least one instance Intangible has removed referenced material based on his personal analysis [19]
4) Intangible has removed referenced information and references [21] and [22]
4) WGee ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has engaged in tendentious editing with respect to articles which concern totalitarian leftist regimes [25].
1) {text of proposed finding of fact}
1) {text of proposed finding of fact}
1) {text of proposed finding of fact}
Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.
1) {text of proposed remedy}
1) Intangible is placed on probation. He may be banned for appropriate periods from any article or set of articles which he disrupts by tendentious editing. All bans to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Intangible#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.
1) {text of proposed remedy}
1) {text of proposed remedy}
1) {text of proposed remedy}
1) {text of proposed remedy}
1) {text of proposed remedy}
1) {text of proposed remedy}
1) {text of proposed remedy}
1) {text of proposed enforcement}
1) Should Intangible violate any ban imposed under this decision, he may be blocked for an appropriate period of time. Blocks to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Intangible#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.
1) {text of proposed enforcement}
1) {text of proposed enforcement}
1) {text of proposed enforcement}
Place here items of evidence (with diffs) and detailed analysis