Purplefeltangel (
talk·contribs) – I would like to nominate Purplefeltangel for adminship. She has been a user in Wikipedia since May 2005 I think and was nominatined before in a bad faith nomination by
User:Rainbowwarrior1977 in which it was delisted and she learned from that experience after. She is very active and has racked up more than 1600 edits. She is a dedicated editor who knows what she is doing and also useful in AFD and also avoids conflicts.I think she deserves the extra admin tools and would make a good admin.
JAranda |
watz sup02:21, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Support I was thinking of nominating her as well a few days ago, but she wanted to wait a little bit. Apparently, the demand was too great considering that a few people have wanted to nominate. She is the epitome of
Wikilove from my dealings with her, if anything she's too nice and will need to thicken her skin a bit, but i'd much rather have an admin who needs to be a little less nice than a alot more nice. This is a perfect opportunity for anyone who claims editcountitis to be a problem to rectify that situation. Her experience far exceeds her edits in my opinion, but if that doesn't count, I think I'd have to go harder onto the 2,000 edit minimum. Comment on the vandalism and previous RFA situation below.
Karmafist04:35, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Weak Support. She is a bit young, and the 2 month old vandalism did happen, but she probably is ready. But please make sure you always use edit summaries for non-minor articles changes. Some people even demand 100% edit summary use, although that is often unecessary.
Voice of All@|Esperanza|
E M04:37, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. This user shows all the signs of having learned from her actions - come, now, worse vandals than her have been forgiven. Mike Garcia anyone? As far as I can see, her actions lately have been civil, constructive, and definitely worthy of administrative powers. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|
User:Premeditated Chaos/Sig]] 05:12, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Support - more and more I'm seeing people on RfA who I've interacted with/seen about the place doing good work and 2 months is definately, in my opinion, long enough in the past. --
Celestianpowerháblame11:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. I liked her contributions to
Pro-ana a lot, and encouraged her to keep up the good work when she felt it was unworthy and submitted it herself to AfD, which was an act of intellectual honesty I had hardly seen before. She deserves the chance, and her past history of vandalism is long gone. Please, guys and girls... we have a nice and dedicated person here, let's act from our feelings for once. We'll never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy!
Shaurismile!12:05, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. I believe Purplefeltangel has learned from her mistakes and that they do not negate her overwhelming number of good contributions.
Thatdog15:23, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. This RFA would have been an easy promotion for Purplefeltangel if not for her actions on a single day. She's a mature, useful and friendly editor.-
gadfium18:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Support, that vandalism was more than three months ago. In that time, she's made good edits, as
Shauri points out. Everyone is a newbie once, and is allowed a bad day in my opinion.
Titoxd(
?!?)01:27, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. Support, although I like mathematics and anime. Comparing this here with other nominations for example on this page, I have to say that there seems to be an obvious double-standard for votes. --
Kefalonia10:09, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. She has always been fair and bright in AfDs in which I have seen her involvment and I forgive her vandalism. She potentially could be a good admin on wikipedia for the next 60 years.
Youngamerican02:21, 25 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose Vandalized too recently
here. Nominee even strong opposed her own rfa saying "I am the nominee and I have never met this person before. I have no idea who he is and why he's referring to me as a "gentleman." I think this was not a good-faith nomination. And Cryptic is absolutely right; I have vandalized a page, so why should I be an admin? ♥purplefeltangel 20:26, 20 July 2005 (UTC)". User talk space could use a little more activity.
Jobe603:00, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
(after Aranda56 edit conflict) That vandalism was addressed at her first RfA, please don't bring up the same past action on multiple RfA's as it pretty much bans anyone who's ever messed up from adminship.
Redwolf24 (
talk)
03:13, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Well then what was recently? I was rejected as an admin because I had vandalised as much as she had 10 months before my RFA. I see a double standard here.
Jobe603:21, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do about your nomination. But maybe you can help make things better for other users by forgiving past mistakes. :)
User:Purplefeltangel/sig 03:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Jobe6, you also voted no for my RfA because I "called someone a troll", which I did not, and because I am an Encyclopedic Merit member. I believe that you should put more consideration into your votes with respect to how the nominee actually is and not by glancing at a few past actions or just by your dislike of wikigroups. I am sorry about your RfA, and if I see that you are a trustworthy contributor, I will gladly vote for you inspite of past vandalism.
Voice of All@|Esperanza|
E M03:47, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose Vandalizsed a high profile article right after the book came out this does she know how many people might have seen that? If this person can be an admin so cann I since I never "vandalized" any pages like not alttering their contenxts with malfeasance (I just learned that word in English). I swear if this goes through she must repay me the favor and nomminate me for admin I think I have about 1200 edits (I think).
Wiki brah05:03, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose; the vandalism kills it for me. As for the counter-argument that this "pretty much bans anyone who's ever messed up from adminship", I agree; Wikipedia has hundreds of admins, and hundreds more waiting to take their place. As for Wiki brah's vote above, this can be disregarded; the user is a waste. The last I heard it was a sockpuppet of the banner user Rainbowwarrior1977,
[6] although in the non-transparent way that Wikipedia tends to do this kind of thing it's not apparent if this is still the general opinion. Should be banned anyway, and will never, ever be an admin.-
Ashley Pomeroy06:01, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose she has been a decent editor as of late, but still not enough time passed. Also template used for a signature is a Bad Thing. I endorse her dislike for Harry Potter though.
Grue 06:18, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose. I hate to do this but I have to agree that this vandalism is not that good... it kinda makes me question the maturity of purplefeltangel (though I still think she's an awesome person from what I've seen on the Wiki and on IRC). Anyways, I dislike Harry Potter three =) But just try not to let your personal opinions dictate what you do on the Wiki and that'll be enough for me. Sasquatcht|
c07:10, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose - sorry, from 'poacher to game-keeper' in two months is just too much for me. But keep up the good work (and you are going great work) for another couple of months, and I'll be delighted to change this to a strong support. --
Doc(?)13:55, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose The vandalism was just too blantant, and done to a rather popular page. It does not matter how long ago it was to me. People who have vandalized and then "learned from their mistakes" should set up a new account.
Turnstep15:26, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
I vandalised (more like a newbie test) a page for my first ever edit on a AFD tag on Britney Spears so when my RFA comes up will u oppose me as well cause of that and not to my contibutions? Vandalism is a big problem in Wikipedia nowadays but just like Redwolf24 said that insitent was a issue on her 1 RFC on July and I don't know why people are still worried about it. She had learned from those mistakes. Tell me 1 insident of vandalism she did after that Harry Poter thing and I will oppose this canditate I nominated but I know there isn't another one --
JAranda |
watz sup16:34, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oh, I see. So you'd like me to give up my edit count and a username I like and my reputation as a good user because of something stupid I did in July. Makes perfect sense.
User:Purplefeltangel/sig 17:12, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
...like me to give up my edit count... Frankly, yes. Attaching an importance to edit counts is not healthy anyway, and what better way to show true repentance? The fact that your first reaction to my idea is to mention a loss of edit counts worries me.
Turnstep17:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Sorry, but I think true repentance is getting on with my time at Wikipedia and never doing it again. I like my username, I have friends, I have a good reputation (as strange as that may seem) and I'm not going to change that two months after the fact because of something I shouldn't have done and will never do again. I wasn't even blocked for this vandalism. Please don't start in on editcountitis, either. You cannot deny that losing 1700+ edits and starting over from 0 would be a bit depressing, and that people do tend to respect Wikipedians who have been around a long time with high edit counts.
User:Purplefeltangel/sig 17:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Gee Rogerd, that is not a kind thing to say, especially after you just lost an RfA. Since I have just lost one, I am pretty liberal on them - I always have been. This comment is an insult - or atleast I am quite sure she doesn't believe in Santa Claus.
V/M 19:48, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Threatening an RfC over a single comment in an RfA is ridiculous, not to mention chilling. You just made admin, right? So drop the use of the inflammatory red ink and the heavy-handed threats. -
Splashtalk22:38, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
??Huh? At the time of my comment, I had no idea of her age. I did not mean it infer anything about her age. I have no opinion one way or another about her beliefs in anything. It was a joke. Lighten up. I merely meant that by December, the community may have forgiven her for her earlier vandalism. Please, if you feel like doing an RfC, please do so. --
Rogerd01:09, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
I guess it was taken zealously at the time. Forgive my overreaction - I just lost an RfA and have a tendency to lean toward the underdog - however, I did believe the "Santa Claus" comment was rude sarcasm at the time.
V/M 01:19, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
I said that if he keeps doing it, he would get an RfC, I clearly never said "one comment warrants and RfC". There is a difference. Anyway, Rogerd dropped me a note explaining that it was a joke. Well, making such a comment next to an oppose was very rude sarcasm, but at least he was just joking, so I crossed out the red text. Bold red text is used my moderators at almost every forum site, I will use darkred instead from now on though. I just can't stand personal attacks, even if it is actually just careless joking.
Voice of All@|Esperanza|
E M01:46, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose The Harry Potter thing did it for me. She said she did because she was bored. She is 14 but looks younger in her page picture. Let her have more experience and try again.--Dakota 20:12, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Um I don't know if you're suggesting that I'm younger than fourteen, but I'm definitely fourteen and will turn fifteen next month just so you know. :)
User:Purplefeltangel/sig 20:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
It was not stated in a derogatory sense and I did not mean to hurt you. I said I thought your picture looked younger but didn't say you were. Apologies if that was the case. Like I said, it was the Harry Potter thing. You will in time no doubt make a good administrator but it's too soon on the vandalism issue. The language used in that vandalism was probably seen by children many of whom see that article .--
Dakota20:50, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose. I find the vandalism to Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince particularly bothersome, as that has been a page very heavily vandalized lately, and one that I personally have been involved in trying to protect, so I do find it a little annoying that that was her selected target. However, I might be willing to look past that, however some of the comments I have seen in this RfA to other users has demonstrated to me a level of maturity that I do not personally feel suits adminship.
ËvilphoenixBurn!01:16, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose - I personally feel that anyone using a transcluded signature hasn't taken the time to appreciate the drain it puts on our servers. I'm afraid that, reading through all the comments so far, I find Purplefeltangels' editcountitis to be far too extreme.
Rob ChurchTalk | FAHD02:03, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose. The vandalism is troubling, but not the only problem I have supporting this nomination. Purplefeltangel seems to be overly emotional. I like to poke fun at other wikipedians from time to time, but she seemed to take any sarcastic comment about others as if she was personally insulted. Add to that the fact that she's only 14 and I'm going to have to oppose this nomination. Don't take it personally Purplefeltangel.
AngryParsley03:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose: I worked on the Harry Potter page she messed up. If she only did that once you could call it an experiment, but she kept doing it after she was warned and asked to stop. That was only a few weeks ago. She needs to grow a bit and undo more vandalism before being given admin powers, in my opinion.
Tree&Leaf17:57, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose — while Purplefeltangel does good work around here, the vandalism thing is too recent. Though we must all forgive and forget, less than three months, in my opinion, is insufficient time, given that there were multiple vandalisms that occured even after warnings.
Flcelloguy |
A note? |
Desk |
WS20:13, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose - a dislike of Harry Potter is certainly not a bad thing, vandalising the article however within recent editing history is unforgiveable. --
Francs200021:01, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose. While promoting this editor might prove to be an interesting investment, the timing for the nomination is clearly not the best. Also, while I do not have any particular qualms concerning the age of editors in general, it is of my belief that it does not act as a pro in this case. Maturity is a highly relative concept, but regardless of how mature one is, emotional maturity does depend a lot on age and life experience, and that's generally the kind of maturity an active admin needs. To put it in a clearer manner, I do not fully believe that she would be able to deal calmly with a highly stressful situation. Why rush things over? Try again in half-a-dozen months (I'm certain you'll be re-nominated earlier than that, though). --
Sn0wflake05:54, 25 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Extreme Oppose Recent vandal, dosen't help new users (see:
trade secret), and that was after our argument ended peacefully, however she forgave me for my argument with her so I have to say Weak Oppose (this is not based at all on my past argument with purplefeltangel) Edit:She entered what! 8 year olds read that article! Changing to extreme oppose
Prodegotalk14:30, 25 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose, NOT weakly. Only weeks ago this candidate repeatedly inserted
penis into Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince because she doesn't like them. She continued to do this after FOUR separate talk page warnings and only stopped when told she was going to be blocked. She had been here over a year when she did this recent vandalism, much more than long enough to know this is not OK. She picked an article especially popular with young people to vandalize in this way, knowing other children would see it. I could support a 14 year-old editor who acts more mature than her years, but we have enough admins who act less than their ages already.
CDThieme17:25, 25 October 2005 (UTC)reply
(After edit conflict with
Splash) Response to what
Voice of All said on my talk page: Mostly, I vandalised the HBP article because I was bored and I don't like Harry Potter. Yeah, I know, so mature, right? But since then I have become more dedicated to Wikipedia. I have combatted vandals and learned how annoying and frustrating they can be. I can honestly say that I would never again knowingly do anything that would compromise the integrity of the Wikipedia project. I have also made several constructive edits to the
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince article since then, in case you're questioning whether I can conduct myself responsibly around that article.
User:Purplefeltangel/sig 04:34, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Neutral while I consider. I need a very good reason why someone who vandalised because they were bored might not find themselves bored at some point in the future, but have some more entertaining buttons to de-bore themselves with. On the other hand, the nominee does seem to make good edits in a variety of places (though a little thin in User talk:, and yes I am allowed to look at edit count numbers), so perhaps that was a one-off. -
Splashtalk04:32, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Neutral. This editor seems to have a strong dislike for Harry Potter (thats not why Im opposing, though :)). Anyway, I really can't support a person who is a recurrent vandal. If it was once ,I would say, "OK lets forgive and forget", but this has happened repeatedly. I think she might be a little immature to be a SySop.
Orane(t)(c)(@)04:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Thanks for voting. I'd just like to point out that all the vandalisms in question occured on the same day and that there were no others before or after.
User:Purplefeltangel/sig 04:48, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
So PFA (hope you dont mind me calling you that), didnt it bother you (even slightly) after the first attempt, even if it was on the same day?
Orane(t)(c)(@)04:53, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Call me whatever you want. At first, it didn't bother me, even when I received my first few warnings, but when I got the last one I was just hit with this overwhelming feeling of "oh my god, I'm a moron," so I stopped.
User:Purplefeltangel/sig 05:01, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Neutral I've been reasonably impressed with this user lately, so I'm not going to oppose; however, her vandalistic efforts were a little too recent for my tastes. A dead cert next year, for what it's worth. --
fuddlemark (
fuddle me!)
18:37, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Neutral Certainly a very nice person. And while it's no bad thing for an admin to not be entirely too uptight, edits like her "wickerpedia" addition to What Wikipedia is Not have me a bit concerned at the moment regarding too much lack of seriousness. I'm going to abstain from expressing support or opposition for the moment.
The Literate Engineer23:06, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
A fairly positive neutral. She's good value, impassioned about the project, will be ideal with a bit more seasoning. A near-certainty in another three to six months. Seeing how she takes the comments on this RFA will be key to her success next time around -
David Gerard10:40, 25 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Thanks for voting. I realize that this incident seems unreasonably recent to be so soon participating in an RfA, but I really think I have learned a lot more about Wikipedia since then and started to take it much more seriously. Since my last nomination I have gained about 1200 edits, none of which have been vandalism in any sense. I will try to improve my User talk space though; thanks for the advice.
User:Purplefeltangel/sig 03:17, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
It's already been said to some extent, but i'll say my comments down here anyway to avoid over-colon abuse.
Her last RFA : It was fairly obvious that it was a bad faith nom by
an indefinately blocked user, her vote against it was an attempt at
WP:AGF in my view, just as using it as a point against her now is against
WP:AGF.
12 other nominees have declined nomination for adminship, she was just an awkward 13th member of that list. Vandalism at Harry Potter : Let's see some of the earlier edits in the day of the section that she "vandalized".
I think her edit was a case of
Maoririder vandalism (a good faith edit that's actually pretty much a place holder and may be construed as vandalism by some) rather than actual vandalism compared to those two edits above. In addition to this, she made 13 earlier in that day on that article
[7]
some of which Jobe talked about above, but another here
[8]where she actually puts in a vandalism notice before vandalizing! I honestly can't think of another vandal on Wikipedia who is anywhere close to that polite, but that's just PFA -- she's insanely nice even when she's doing things that may be construed as nasty. And this was back when she didn't understand the rules(remember
WP:BITE), she's grown alot since then
Karmafist05:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
and this was back when she didn't understand the rules (remember
WP:BITE). She herself said that she joined in 2004, not May 2005...ergo she was a yearish veteran of wikipedia at the time of the vandalism. She herself said when she got the last warning she said 'omg i'm a moron'. Both of those show that she did indeed know the rules. The vandalism warning she gave before vandalizing is not a compelling point either, in my opinion. Oh to have polite vandals who put in edit summaries of 'added p3nis, vand' when they vandalize. :) --
Syrthiss13:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
I don't think that comparing her vandalism of the Harry Potter pages to other vandalism on that day serves any point. Vandalism is still vandalism, regardless of the emotional state of the vandal (bored, as she explains in her case), and she did engage in vandalism. I also don't think that asserting that she might have intended her edits to serve as "placeholders" holds up well either, adding the word "penis" to a page is by no means a good edit or a good placeholder.
ËvilphoenixBurn!01:04, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
I know, wouldn't that be great? There'd be no more need for
WP:CDVF, and we'd all be a little less stressed ;-) As for the "beginner" status, at the time that the Harry Potter flurry, he was around her 500th edit, after infrequent edits over a good chunk of time. In my eyes, beginnership usually lasts from around anywhere between 100 and 1000 edits, depending on frequency and support from other users. The frequency didn't pick up to more than a trickle until after July, and I saw very little support on her talk page back in those days.
Karmafist17:46, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
I think this is just silly to oppose her for some minute vandalism, which - to me - has happened a long time ago. The problem here, in my opinion, is that you all are focusing more on petty cases of vandalism than the countless times she has reverted it. The user is just short of 2,000 contributions, and I can only hope that she builds more of them. Comments and actions like these are NOT an incintive to want to stay.
V/M 19:52, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
I still stand by this, but replaced "pissed off" with "perturb" due to request of some other editor (forgot his name).
V/M 21:24, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Think of it this way. Imagine I have a pitcher of Sprite. Now imagine I have a glass of dirty toilet bowl water. Now imagine I take an eyedropper, stick it into the dirty toilet bowl water, and *plonk* goes a drop into that Sprite. Would you want to drink that Sprite? To some people, vandalism is just as bad as that dirty toilet bowl water, and the fact that it is even there in a user's record, even a small amount, is not going to sit well with some people.
ËvilphoenixBurn!01:12, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Whether that Sprite goes in the toilet straight from that pitcher or from, well, you know, eventually that toilet water changes. If you drank it right the toilet, that would be disgusting. However, if you flush that toilet, let the water go through the plumbing into a waste managment plant eventually going into some body of water somewhere, which at one point evaporates until it comes down as rain in the source of water which Coca Cola uses to make Sprite. Everything purifies over time given the right circumstances, and Purple has gone through that process regarding Vandalism in my opinion.
Karmafist01:32, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Agree, however, let me give a scenario. Take a society where NOTHING is forgiven, and people are held back for a petty theft they may have commited at 14 - and this stops them from being a politician at 40, even though they obviously qualify for the position. I say such leads to RUIN
V/M 01:22, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Questions for the candidate A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
A. I can see myself doing speedy deletions, closing AfDs, RC patrol, etc. I tend to do things in fits and starts -- that is, I spend a long time on one thing, don't do anything for a while, then spend a long time on another thing. So I can't really predict with much accuracy what I would do, but whatever I did do with my admin powers, I would do it well. :)
2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
A. Well,
recently, I have rid Wikipedia of ~250 recieve/receive typos. I have also contributed extensively to
Pro-ana and
Woburn Collegiate Institute, participated in tons of AfDs, and categorized a lot of articles.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A. I have been in conflicts before and like anyone, I'm not perfect at dealing with it. The first real conflict I ever had was with the "F5" vandal, who seemed innocent enough at first -- created a stupid article which was AfD'd, made a bunch of sockpuppets to try to keep it, etc. Then he started getting nasty and vandalising the AfD page, my userpage, etc. The whole thing ended in his article getting speedy deleted and the user getting blocked. I think I handled it rather well, remaining civil to the contributor even as he pelted my talk page with personal attacks and asking him on his
talk page to consider coming back after his block and making better contributions to Wikipedia.
I have also had conflicts with users
Prodego and
DannyWilde, both of which ended civilly and during which I kept my head, although being accused of vandalism. I did need intervention in my conflict with
Prodego, though.
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page.
Purplefeltangel (
talk·contribs) – I would like to nominate Purplefeltangel for adminship. She has been a user in Wikipedia since May 2005 I think and was nominatined before in a bad faith nomination by
User:Rainbowwarrior1977 in which it was delisted and she learned from that experience after. She is very active and has racked up more than 1600 edits. She is a dedicated editor who knows what she is doing and also useful in AFD and also avoids conflicts.I think she deserves the extra admin tools and would make a good admin.
JAranda |
watz sup02:21, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Support I was thinking of nominating her as well a few days ago, but she wanted to wait a little bit. Apparently, the demand was too great considering that a few people have wanted to nominate. She is the epitome of
Wikilove from my dealings with her, if anything she's too nice and will need to thicken her skin a bit, but i'd much rather have an admin who needs to be a little less nice than a alot more nice. This is a perfect opportunity for anyone who claims editcountitis to be a problem to rectify that situation. Her experience far exceeds her edits in my opinion, but if that doesn't count, I think I'd have to go harder onto the 2,000 edit minimum. Comment on the vandalism and previous RFA situation below.
Karmafist04:35, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Weak Support. She is a bit young, and the 2 month old vandalism did happen, but she probably is ready. But please make sure you always use edit summaries for non-minor articles changes. Some people even demand 100% edit summary use, although that is often unecessary.
Voice of All@|Esperanza|
E M04:37, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. This user shows all the signs of having learned from her actions - come, now, worse vandals than her have been forgiven. Mike Garcia anyone? As far as I can see, her actions lately have been civil, constructive, and definitely worthy of administrative powers. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|
User:Premeditated Chaos/Sig]] 05:12, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Support - more and more I'm seeing people on RfA who I've interacted with/seen about the place doing good work and 2 months is definately, in my opinion, long enough in the past. --
Celestianpowerháblame11:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. I liked her contributions to
Pro-ana a lot, and encouraged her to keep up the good work when she felt it was unworthy and submitted it herself to AfD, which was an act of intellectual honesty I had hardly seen before. She deserves the chance, and her past history of vandalism is long gone. Please, guys and girls... we have a nice and dedicated person here, let's act from our feelings for once. We'll never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy!
Shaurismile!12:05, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. I believe Purplefeltangel has learned from her mistakes and that they do not negate her overwhelming number of good contributions.
Thatdog15:23, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. This RFA would have been an easy promotion for Purplefeltangel if not for her actions on a single day. She's a mature, useful and friendly editor.-
gadfium18:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Support, that vandalism was more than three months ago. In that time, she's made good edits, as
Shauri points out. Everyone is a newbie once, and is allowed a bad day in my opinion.
Titoxd(
?!?)01:27, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. Support, although I like mathematics and anime. Comparing this here with other nominations for example on this page, I have to say that there seems to be an obvious double-standard for votes. --
Kefalonia10:09, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. She has always been fair and bright in AfDs in which I have seen her involvment and I forgive her vandalism. She potentially could be a good admin on wikipedia for the next 60 years.
Youngamerican02:21, 25 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose Vandalized too recently
here. Nominee even strong opposed her own rfa saying "I am the nominee and I have never met this person before. I have no idea who he is and why he's referring to me as a "gentleman." I think this was not a good-faith nomination. And Cryptic is absolutely right; I have vandalized a page, so why should I be an admin? ♥purplefeltangel 20:26, 20 July 2005 (UTC)". User talk space could use a little more activity.
Jobe603:00, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
(after Aranda56 edit conflict) That vandalism was addressed at her first RfA, please don't bring up the same past action on multiple RfA's as it pretty much bans anyone who's ever messed up from adminship.
Redwolf24 (
talk)
03:13, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Well then what was recently? I was rejected as an admin because I had vandalised as much as she had 10 months before my RFA. I see a double standard here.
Jobe603:21, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do about your nomination. But maybe you can help make things better for other users by forgiving past mistakes. :)
User:Purplefeltangel/sig 03:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Jobe6, you also voted no for my RfA because I "called someone a troll", which I did not, and because I am an Encyclopedic Merit member. I believe that you should put more consideration into your votes with respect to how the nominee actually is and not by glancing at a few past actions or just by your dislike of wikigroups. I am sorry about your RfA, and if I see that you are a trustworthy contributor, I will gladly vote for you inspite of past vandalism.
Voice of All@|Esperanza|
E M03:47, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose Vandalizsed a high profile article right after the book came out this does she know how many people might have seen that? If this person can be an admin so cann I since I never "vandalized" any pages like not alttering their contenxts with malfeasance (I just learned that word in English). I swear if this goes through she must repay me the favor and nomminate me for admin I think I have about 1200 edits (I think).
Wiki brah05:03, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose; the vandalism kills it for me. As for the counter-argument that this "pretty much bans anyone who's ever messed up from adminship", I agree; Wikipedia has hundreds of admins, and hundreds more waiting to take their place. As for Wiki brah's vote above, this can be disregarded; the user is a waste. The last I heard it was a sockpuppet of the banner user Rainbowwarrior1977,
[6] although in the non-transparent way that Wikipedia tends to do this kind of thing it's not apparent if this is still the general opinion. Should be banned anyway, and will never, ever be an admin.-
Ashley Pomeroy06:01, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose she has been a decent editor as of late, but still not enough time passed. Also template used for a signature is a Bad Thing. I endorse her dislike for Harry Potter though.
Grue 06:18, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose. I hate to do this but I have to agree that this vandalism is not that good... it kinda makes me question the maturity of purplefeltangel (though I still think she's an awesome person from what I've seen on the Wiki and on IRC). Anyways, I dislike Harry Potter three =) But just try not to let your personal opinions dictate what you do on the Wiki and that'll be enough for me. Sasquatcht|
c07:10, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose - sorry, from 'poacher to game-keeper' in two months is just too much for me. But keep up the good work (and you are going great work) for another couple of months, and I'll be delighted to change this to a strong support. --
Doc(?)13:55, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose The vandalism was just too blantant, and done to a rather popular page. It does not matter how long ago it was to me. People who have vandalized and then "learned from their mistakes" should set up a new account.
Turnstep15:26, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
I vandalised (more like a newbie test) a page for my first ever edit on a AFD tag on Britney Spears so when my RFA comes up will u oppose me as well cause of that and not to my contibutions? Vandalism is a big problem in Wikipedia nowadays but just like Redwolf24 said that insitent was a issue on her 1 RFC on July and I don't know why people are still worried about it. She had learned from those mistakes. Tell me 1 insident of vandalism she did after that Harry Poter thing and I will oppose this canditate I nominated but I know there isn't another one --
JAranda |
watz sup16:34, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oh, I see. So you'd like me to give up my edit count and a username I like and my reputation as a good user because of something stupid I did in July. Makes perfect sense.
User:Purplefeltangel/sig 17:12, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
...like me to give up my edit count... Frankly, yes. Attaching an importance to edit counts is not healthy anyway, and what better way to show true repentance? The fact that your first reaction to my idea is to mention a loss of edit counts worries me.
Turnstep17:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Sorry, but I think true repentance is getting on with my time at Wikipedia and never doing it again. I like my username, I have friends, I have a good reputation (as strange as that may seem) and I'm not going to change that two months after the fact because of something I shouldn't have done and will never do again. I wasn't even blocked for this vandalism. Please don't start in on editcountitis, either. You cannot deny that losing 1700+ edits and starting over from 0 would be a bit depressing, and that people do tend to respect Wikipedians who have been around a long time with high edit counts.
User:Purplefeltangel/sig 17:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Gee Rogerd, that is not a kind thing to say, especially after you just lost an RfA. Since I have just lost one, I am pretty liberal on them - I always have been. This comment is an insult - or atleast I am quite sure she doesn't believe in Santa Claus.
V/M 19:48, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Threatening an RfC over a single comment in an RfA is ridiculous, not to mention chilling. You just made admin, right? So drop the use of the inflammatory red ink and the heavy-handed threats. -
Splashtalk22:38, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
??Huh? At the time of my comment, I had no idea of her age. I did not mean it infer anything about her age. I have no opinion one way or another about her beliefs in anything. It was a joke. Lighten up. I merely meant that by December, the community may have forgiven her for her earlier vandalism. Please, if you feel like doing an RfC, please do so. --
Rogerd01:09, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
I guess it was taken zealously at the time. Forgive my overreaction - I just lost an RfA and have a tendency to lean toward the underdog - however, I did believe the "Santa Claus" comment was rude sarcasm at the time.
V/M 01:19, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
I said that if he keeps doing it, he would get an RfC, I clearly never said "one comment warrants and RfC". There is a difference. Anyway, Rogerd dropped me a note explaining that it was a joke. Well, making such a comment next to an oppose was very rude sarcasm, but at least he was just joking, so I crossed out the red text. Bold red text is used my moderators at almost every forum site, I will use darkred instead from now on though. I just can't stand personal attacks, even if it is actually just careless joking.
Voice of All@|Esperanza|
E M01:46, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose The Harry Potter thing did it for me. She said she did because she was bored. She is 14 but looks younger in her page picture. Let her have more experience and try again.--Dakota 20:12, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Um I don't know if you're suggesting that I'm younger than fourteen, but I'm definitely fourteen and will turn fifteen next month just so you know. :)
User:Purplefeltangel/sig 20:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
It was not stated in a derogatory sense and I did not mean to hurt you. I said I thought your picture looked younger but didn't say you were. Apologies if that was the case. Like I said, it was the Harry Potter thing. You will in time no doubt make a good administrator but it's too soon on the vandalism issue. The language used in that vandalism was probably seen by children many of whom see that article .--
Dakota20:50, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose. I find the vandalism to Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince particularly bothersome, as that has been a page very heavily vandalized lately, and one that I personally have been involved in trying to protect, so I do find it a little annoying that that was her selected target. However, I might be willing to look past that, however some of the comments I have seen in this RfA to other users has demonstrated to me a level of maturity that I do not personally feel suits adminship.
ËvilphoenixBurn!01:16, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose - I personally feel that anyone using a transcluded signature hasn't taken the time to appreciate the drain it puts on our servers. I'm afraid that, reading through all the comments so far, I find Purplefeltangels' editcountitis to be far too extreme.
Rob ChurchTalk | FAHD02:03, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose. The vandalism is troubling, but not the only problem I have supporting this nomination. Purplefeltangel seems to be overly emotional. I like to poke fun at other wikipedians from time to time, but she seemed to take any sarcastic comment about others as if she was personally insulted. Add to that the fact that she's only 14 and I'm going to have to oppose this nomination. Don't take it personally Purplefeltangel.
AngryParsley03:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose: I worked on the Harry Potter page she messed up. If she only did that once you could call it an experiment, but she kept doing it after she was warned and asked to stop. That was only a few weeks ago. She needs to grow a bit and undo more vandalism before being given admin powers, in my opinion.
Tree&Leaf17:57, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose — while Purplefeltangel does good work around here, the vandalism thing is too recent. Though we must all forgive and forget, less than three months, in my opinion, is insufficient time, given that there were multiple vandalisms that occured even after warnings.
Flcelloguy |
A note? |
Desk |
WS20:13, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose - a dislike of Harry Potter is certainly not a bad thing, vandalising the article however within recent editing history is unforgiveable. --
Francs200021:01, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose. While promoting this editor might prove to be an interesting investment, the timing for the nomination is clearly not the best. Also, while I do not have any particular qualms concerning the age of editors in general, it is of my belief that it does not act as a pro in this case. Maturity is a highly relative concept, but regardless of how mature one is, emotional maturity does depend a lot on age and life experience, and that's generally the kind of maturity an active admin needs. To put it in a clearer manner, I do not fully believe that she would be able to deal calmly with a highly stressful situation. Why rush things over? Try again in half-a-dozen months (I'm certain you'll be re-nominated earlier than that, though). --
Sn0wflake05:54, 25 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Extreme Oppose Recent vandal, dosen't help new users (see:
trade secret), and that was after our argument ended peacefully, however she forgave me for my argument with her so I have to say Weak Oppose (this is not based at all on my past argument with purplefeltangel) Edit:She entered what! 8 year olds read that article! Changing to extreme oppose
Prodegotalk14:30, 25 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose, NOT weakly. Only weeks ago this candidate repeatedly inserted
penis into Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince because she doesn't like them. She continued to do this after FOUR separate talk page warnings and only stopped when told she was going to be blocked. She had been here over a year when she did this recent vandalism, much more than long enough to know this is not OK. She picked an article especially popular with young people to vandalize in this way, knowing other children would see it. I could support a 14 year-old editor who acts more mature than her years, but we have enough admins who act less than their ages already.
CDThieme17:25, 25 October 2005 (UTC)reply
(After edit conflict with
Splash) Response to what
Voice of All said on my talk page: Mostly, I vandalised the HBP article because I was bored and I don't like Harry Potter. Yeah, I know, so mature, right? But since then I have become more dedicated to Wikipedia. I have combatted vandals and learned how annoying and frustrating they can be. I can honestly say that I would never again knowingly do anything that would compromise the integrity of the Wikipedia project. I have also made several constructive edits to the
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince article since then, in case you're questioning whether I can conduct myself responsibly around that article.
User:Purplefeltangel/sig 04:34, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Neutral while I consider. I need a very good reason why someone who vandalised because they were bored might not find themselves bored at some point in the future, but have some more entertaining buttons to de-bore themselves with. On the other hand, the nominee does seem to make good edits in a variety of places (though a little thin in User talk:, and yes I am allowed to look at edit count numbers), so perhaps that was a one-off. -
Splashtalk04:32, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Neutral. This editor seems to have a strong dislike for Harry Potter (thats not why Im opposing, though :)). Anyway, I really can't support a person who is a recurrent vandal. If it was once ,I would say, "OK lets forgive and forget", but this has happened repeatedly. I think she might be a little immature to be a SySop.
Orane(t)(c)(@)04:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Thanks for voting. I'd just like to point out that all the vandalisms in question occured on the same day and that there were no others before or after.
User:Purplefeltangel/sig 04:48, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
So PFA (hope you dont mind me calling you that), didnt it bother you (even slightly) after the first attempt, even if it was on the same day?
Orane(t)(c)(@)04:53, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Call me whatever you want. At first, it didn't bother me, even when I received my first few warnings, but when I got the last one I was just hit with this overwhelming feeling of "oh my god, I'm a moron," so I stopped.
User:Purplefeltangel/sig 05:01, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Neutral I've been reasonably impressed with this user lately, so I'm not going to oppose; however, her vandalistic efforts were a little too recent for my tastes. A dead cert next year, for what it's worth. --
fuddlemark (
fuddle me!)
18:37, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Neutral Certainly a very nice person. And while it's no bad thing for an admin to not be entirely too uptight, edits like her "wickerpedia" addition to What Wikipedia is Not have me a bit concerned at the moment regarding too much lack of seriousness. I'm going to abstain from expressing support or opposition for the moment.
The Literate Engineer23:06, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
A fairly positive neutral. She's good value, impassioned about the project, will be ideal with a bit more seasoning. A near-certainty in another three to six months. Seeing how she takes the comments on this RFA will be key to her success next time around -
David Gerard10:40, 25 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Thanks for voting. I realize that this incident seems unreasonably recent to be so soon participating in an RfA, but I really think I have learned a lot more about Wikipedia since then and started to take it much more seriously. Since my last nomination I have gained about 1200 edits, none of which have been vandalism in any sense. I will try to improve my User talk space though; thanks for the advice.
User:Purplefeltangel/sig 03:17, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
It's already been said to some extent, but i'll say my comments down here anyway to avoid over-colon abuse.
Her last RFA : It was fairly obvious that it was a bad faith nom by
an indefinately blocked user, her vote against it was an attempt at
WP:AGF in my view, just as using it as a point against her now is against
WP:AGF.
12 other nominees have declined nomination for adminship, she was just an awkward 13th member of that list. Vandalism at Harry Potter : Let's see some of the earlier edits in the day of the section that she "vandalized".
I think her edit was a case of
Maoririder vandalism (a good faith edit that's actually pretty much a place holder and may be construed as vandalism by some) rather than actual vandalism compared to those two edits above. In addition to this, she made 13 earlier in that day on that article
[7]
some of which Jobe talked about above, but another here
[8]where she actually puts in a vandalism notice before vandalizing! I honestly can't think of another vandal on Wikipedia who is anywhere close to that polite, but that's just PFA -- she's insanely nice even when she's doing things that may be construed as nasty. And this was back when she didn't understand the rules(remember
WP:BITE), she's grown alot since then
Karmafist05:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
and this was back when she didn't understand the rules (remember
WP:BITE). She herself said that she joined in 2004, not May 2005...ergo she was a yearish veteran of wikipedia at the time of the vandalism. She herself said when she got the last warning she said 'omg i'm a moron'. Both of those show that she did indeed know the rules. The vandalism warning she gave before vandalizing is not a compelling point either, in my opinion. Oh to have polite vandals who put in edit summaries of 'added p3nis, vand' when they vandalize. :) --
Syrthiss13:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
I don't think that comparing her vandalism of the Harry Potter pages to other vandalism on that day serves any point. Vandalism is still vandalism, regardless of the emotional state of the vandal (bored, as she explains in her case), and she did engage in vandalism. I also don't think that asserting that she might have intended her edits to serve as "placeholders" holds up well either, adding the word "penis" to a page is by no means a good edit or a good placeholder.
ËvilphoenixBurn!01:04, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
I know, wouldn't that be great? There'd be no more need for
WP:CDVF, and we'd all be a little less stressed ;-) As for the "beginner" status, at the time that the Harry Potter flurry, he was around her 500th edit, after infrequent edits over a good chunk of time. In my eyes, beginnership usually lasts from around anywhere between 100 and 1000 edits, depending on frequency and support from other users. The frequency didn't pick up to more than a trickle until after July, and I saw very little support on her talk page back in those days.
Karmafist17:46, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
I think this is just silly to oppose her for some minute vandalism, which - to me - has happened a long time ago. The problem here, in my opinion, is that you all are focusing more on petty cases of vandalism than the countless times she has reverted it. The user is just short of 2,000 contributions, and I can only hope that she builds more of them. Comments and actions like these are NOT an incintive to want to stay.
V/M 19:52, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
I still stand by this, but replaced "pissed off" with "perturb" due to request of some other editor (forgot his name).
V/M 21:24, 23 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Think of it this way. Imagine I have a pitcher of Sprite. Now imagine I have a glass of dirty toilet bowl water. Now imagine I take an eyedropper, stick it into the dirty toilet bowl water, and *plonk* goes a drop into that Sprite. Would you want to drink that Sprite? To some people, vandalism is just as bad as that dirty toilet bowl water, and the fact that it is even there in a user's record, even a small amount, is not going to sit well with some people.
ËvilphoenixBurn!01:12, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Whether that Sprite goes in the toilet straight from that pitcher or from, well, you know, eventually that toilet water changes. If you drank it right the toilet, that would be disgusting. However, if you flush that toilet, let the water go through the plumbing into a waste managment plant eventually going into some body of water somewhere, which at one point evaporates until it comes down as rain in the source of water which Coca Cola uses to make Sprite. Everything purifies over time given the right circumstances, and Purple has gone through that process regarding Vandalism in my opinion.
Karmafist01:32, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Agree, however, let me give a scenario. Take a society where NOTHING is forgiven, and people are held back for a petty theft they may have commited at 14 - and this stops them from being a politician at 40, even though they obviously qualify for the position. I say such leads to RUIN
V/M 01:22, 24 October 2005 (UTC)reply
Questions for the candidate A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
A. I can see myself doing speedy deletions, closing AfDs, RC patrol, etc. I tend to do things in fits and starts -- that is, I spend a long time on one thing, don't do anything for a while, then spend a long time on another thing. So I can't really predict with much accuracy what I would do, but whatever I did do with my admin powers, I would do it well. :)
2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
A. Well,
recently, I have rid Wikipedia of ~250 recieve/receive typos. I have also contributed extensively to
Pro-ana and
Woburn Collegiate Institute, participated in tons of AfDs, and categorized a lot of articles.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A. I have been in conflicts before and like anyone, I'm not perfect at dealing with it. The first real conflict I ever had was with the "F5" vandal, who seemed innocent enough at first -- created a stupid article which was AfD'd, made a bunch of sockpuppets to try to keep it, etc. Then he started getting nasty and vandalising the AfD page, my userpage, etc. The whole thing ended in his article getting speedy deleted and the user getting blocked. I think I handled it rather well, remaining civil to the contributor even as he pelted my talk page with personal attacks and asking him on his
talk page to consider coming back after his block and making better contributions to Wikipedia.
I have also had conflicts with users
Prodego and
DannyWilde, both of which ended civilly and during which I kept my head, although being accused of vandalism. I did need intervention in my conflict with
Prodego, though.
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