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Here From the article (under the map of Europe): "Map of winners. Germany: twice as West Germany and once as united Germany, Russia as Soviet Union and Czech Republic as Czechoslovakia". Why not "Czechia and Slovakia as Czechoslovakia"? Ericdec85 ( talk) 15:20, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
I've looked a bit wider and found Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 99#UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying Czech Republic & Slovakia Talk:UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying#Continuous editing of the notes on qualified teams, Talk:2010 FIFA World Cup qualification#Slovakia's appearance at the 2010 world cup is their first and not their 9th, Talk:UEFA#Slovakia, Talk:UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying/Archive 1#Slovakia's record in past Euros, Talk:FIFA World Cup/Archive 5#Edit request from 123.20.47.192, 20 September 2011, Talk:2010 FIFA World Cup/Archive 1#slovakia's WC history, Talk:Czechoslovakia national football team#Czechoslovakian football history = Czech Republic football history?, Talk:UEFA Euro 2016/Archive 1#Slovakia and Czech Republic and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 31#FIFA attributes the honours of Czechoslovakia to both Czechia and Slovakia but am no clearer.
From reading these discussions which linked to sources (but not checking the sources since I can't be bothered digging up all the archives), it sounds like both FIFA and UEFA have at times listed Slovakia as a successor to Czechoslovakia e.g. by listing Czechoslovakia's previous records as Slovakia's. But at other times they have not. The same page seems to chop and change as to whether it lists Czechoslovakia's records under Slovakia, let alone other pages or info. Heck even Czechia doesn't always seem to inherit Czechoslovakia's records. Notably none of these link to any official FIFA or UEFA position that I saw. (I think there is one for Serbia.)
BTW I also came across Talk:UEFA Euro 2016#Slovakia debut?, Talk:2014 FIFA World Cup qualification#Qualification table, Talk:Serbia national football team/Archive 1#Only Serbia, Talk:FIFA World Cup/Archive 4#Successor states/Inheritors of records, Talk:UEFA#disputed/contradiction section, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 100#RfC on a football-related article, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 21#Result maps, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 21#Successor nations, Talk:Northern Ireland national football team#First Game, etc and a few more I read but seemed too unimportant to link but ignored these as while they may make claims, they don't seem to link to any relevant sources for the Slovakia issue. (Some do provide sources for others including Czechia.) This actually sounded hopeful but there was nothing Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 61#UEFA Euro qualification (again).
Nil Einne ( talk) 12:48, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Although I'm still not going to dig up every archive page, looking more carefully most of the above discussions rely on the same pages anyway. And it may be there was only on set of pages that changed, FIFA's possibly sometimes in 2011. So as an example of what I'm referring to using archive links:
The current FIFA pages only gives Czechia Czechoslovakia's records as noted above [2]/ [3] [4]/ [5]. (These didn't archive that well, but look for "FIFA World Cup".) However in the past, Slovakia (and Czechia) received Czechoslovakia's records [6] [7], note that these are older versions of the link after the / earlier. Meanwhile for the 2010 World Cup, FIFA produced this document [8] which says Slovakia is a newcomer while concurrently (not exact dates, but someone in one of the linked discussions says it was the case) still saying they had 8 previous appearances on their page about Slovakia [9]/ [10].
Then these pages only has records for Czech Republic from 1992 onwards [11]. Slovakia had 1939 to 1944 then 1992 onwards [12]. And no, this wasn't because they were missing stuff from those intermediate years [13]. The live score pages that replaced (they redirect) those match pages have scores from 1903 for Czech Republic [14] including the Czechoslovakia period. But for Slovakia only the 1939 to 1944 period [15] then the 1992 onwards as before. (Not a great fan of archive.is/today/whatever given their history here on wikipedia but needs must for these pages.)
The current UEFA pages gives neither team Czechoslovakia's records [16] [17]. However in the 2016 season pages to this day, the Czech Republic's best result was "winners 1976 (as Czechoslovakia)" [18] while Slovakia "never qualified" [19]. Maybe this shouldn't be that surprising since UEFA also says the Czech Republic FA itself joined UEFA in 1954 and FIFA in 1907 [20] while the Slovakia FA in 1993 and 1994 [21].
Meanwhile these history pages do effectively give the records to both Czech Republic and Slovakia although are clear when it was as Czechoslovakia [22] [23]. These would actually be decent pages were it not for the fact that UEFA was just as schizophrenic as FIFA about whether or not to count Czechoslovakia under Slovakia and Czech Republic.
Why is the Electra story, which is barely even about Electra, so popular? The article said it was (with a source), but fails to explain why. I don't understand why it is such a big deal]]. Why are there so many plays about the story? It can understand why Antigone or Oedipus Rex would be popular, but why Electra? Is there any reason why scholars and playwrights are interested in this?
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Here From the article (under the map of Europe): "Map of winners. Germany: twice as West Germany and once as united Germany, Russia as Soviet Union and Czech Republic as Czechoslovakia". Why not "Czechia and Slovakia as Czechoslovakia"? Ericdec85 ( talk) 15:20, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
I've looked a bit wider and found Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 99#UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying Czech Republic & Slovakia Talk:UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying#Continuous editing of the notes on qualified teams, Talk:2010 FIFA World Cup qualification#Slovakia's appearance at the 2010 world cup is their first and not their 9th, Talk:UEFA#Slovakia, Talk:UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying/Archive 1#Slovakia's record in past Euros, Talk:FIFA World Cup/Archive 5#Edit request from 123.20.47.192, 20 September 2011, Talk:2010 FIFA World Cup/Archive 1#slovakia's WC history, Talk:Czechoslovakia national football team#Czechoslovakian football history = Czech Republic football history?, Talk:UEFA Euro 2016/Archive 1#Slovakia and Czech Republic and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 31#FIFA attributes the honours of Czechoslovakia to both Czechia and Slovakia but am no clearer.
From reading these discussions which linked to sources (but not checking the sources since I can't be bothered digging up all the archives), it sounds like both FIFA and UEFA have at times listed Slovakia as a successor to Czechoslovakia e.g. by listing Czechoslovakia's previous records as Slovakia's. But at other times they have not. The same page seems to chop and change as to whether it lists Czechoslovakia's records under Slovakia, let alone other pages or info. Heck even Czechia doesn't always seem to inherit Czechoslovakia's records. Notably none of these link to any official FIFA or UEFA position that I saw. (I think there is one for Serbia.)
BTW I also came across Talk:UEFA Euro 2016#Slovakia debut?, Talk:2014 FIFA World Cup qualification#Qualification table, Talk:Serbia national football team/Archive 1#Only Serbia, Talk:FIFA World Cup/Archive 4#Successor states/Inheritors of records, Talk:UEFA#disputed/contradiction section, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 100#RfC on a football-related article, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 21#Result maps, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 21#Successor nations, Talk:Northern Ireland national football team#First Game, etc and a few more I read but seemed too unimportant to link but ignored these as while they may make claims, they don't seem to link to any relevant sources for the Slovakia issue. (Some do provide sources for others including Czechia.) This actually sounded hopeful but there was nothing Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 61#UEFA Euro qualification (again).
Nil Einne ( talk) 12:48, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Although I'm still not going to dig up every archive page, looking more carefully most of the above discussions rely on the same pages anyway. And it may be there was only on set of pages that changed, FIFA's possibly sometimes in 2011. So as an example of what I'm referring to using archive links:
The current FIFA pages only gives Czechia Czechoslovakia's records as noted above [2]/ [3] [4]/ [5]. (These didn't archive that well, but look for "FIFA World Cup".) However in the past, Slovakia (and Czechia) received Czechoslovakia's records [6] [7], note that these are older versions of the link after the / earlier. Meanwhile for the 2010 World Cup, FIFA produced this document [8] which says Slovakia is a newcomer while concurrently (not exact dates, but someone in one of the linked discussions says it was the case) still saying they had 8 previous appearances on their page about Slovakia [9]/ [10].
Then these pages only has records for Czech Republic from 1992 onwards [11]. Slovakia had 1939 to 1944 then 1992 onwards [12]. And no, this wasn't because they were missing stuff from those intermediate years [13]. The live score pages that replaced (they redirect) those match pages have scores from 1903 for Czech Republic [14] including the Czechoslovakia period. But for Slovakia only the 1939 to 1944 period [15] then the 1992 onwards as before. (Not a great fan of archive.is/today/whatever given their history here on wikipedia but needs must for these pages.)
The current UEFA pages gives neither team Czechoslovakia's records [16] [17]. However in the 2016 season pages to this day, the Czech Republic's best result was "winners 1976 (as Czechoslovakia)" [18] while Slovakia "never qualified" [19]. Maybe this shouldn't be that surprising since UEFA also says the Czech Republic FA itself joined UEFA in 1954 and FIFA in 1907 [20] while the Slovakia FA in 1993 and 1994 [21].
Meanwhile these history pages do effectively give the records to both Czech Republic and Slovakia although are clear when it was as Czechoslovakia [22] [23]. These would actually be decent pages were it not for the fact that UEFA was just as schizophrenic as FIFA about whether or not to count Czechoslovakia under Slovakia and Czech Republic.
Why is the Electra story, which is barely even about Electra, so popular? The article said it was (with a source), but fails to explain why. I don't understand why it is such a big deal]]. Why are there so many plays about the story? It can understand why Antigone or Oedipus Rex would be popular, but why Electra? Is there any reason why scholars and playwrights are interested in this?