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You forgot Poland
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Keep. This is not only {{R to section}} and {{R from merge}}, but an exact title match on the name as well. Unless and until the target evolves to lose the information present, the redirect should be kept. If and when that happens, the redirect should be sub-paged for history concerns.
BigNate37(T)03:50, 6 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Well I was going to argue that the merge went to
Polish involvement in the 2003 invasion of Iraq#"You forgot Poland", but the so-called "merge" was really just a redirection to pre-existing content (see
the merging editor's April 2008 logs). Still, I'm inclined to favour the more comprehensive section for redirection. Changing the redirect to imply proper content location is a little bit cart-before-horse, but if the sections are refactored to reflect that the American debates are the proper home for that information then I have no objection to redirecting there and placing an appropriate hatnote at the other YfP section.
BigNate37(T)18:59, 9 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep since apparently it's still a well-known phrase and people are still likely to search for it. Per Robofish and BigNate (if I understand them correctly) I would be in favour of cutting the content from the Polish involvement article, pasting it in the Presidential debates article, and retargeting the redirect.
Scolaire (
talk)
07:31, 10 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Retarget per Robofish. A user searching for this phrase is more likely looking for its use in the presidential debate, not the actual involvement of Poland in the war. I'm tweaking that section to link to
Polish involvement in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, so anyone well served by this redirect as is will only be minorly inconvenienced. --
BDD (
talk)
19:16, 15 August 2012 (UTC)reply
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Criticism of Wikipedia
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The result of the discussion was Moot no longer a redirect at time of closing so wrong venue for discussion. Could be sent to afd if anyone want to.
Salix (
talk):
19:27, 8 September 2012 (UTC)reply
WP:XNR states: Currently, the general consensus seems to be that newly created cross-namespace redirects from the main (article) namespace to the Wikipedia: (project) namespace should be deleted and THIS redirect qualifies.
Ibicdlcod (
talk)
14:01, 5 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Revert to DAB from
21:41 25 June 2011 (UTC), on the assumption that the article's ~125kB of content was competently merged (I have not personally checked that we did not lose substantial and valuable information, and I take it on good faith that the merge was competent). I've looked over the DAB pages, and while the one I suggest isn't the most recent, it is the cleanest version to start from, and is not missing any links that appear in later versions. Reverting to an article version would require un-merging lest we end up with a lot of
forked material, and since its contents were merged to several articles, disambiguation is the natural extension of the common practice of redirecting pages to their merge targets. I'm not sure if it's too far outside RfD's scope to be making full protection decisions where they are not simple saltings, but I agree with Thryduulf that protection is a good course of action in this case.
BigNate37(T)00:29, 8 August 2012 (UTC)reply
NoteSilver seren (
talk·contribs) has unilaterally reverted this page to an article stating that the NPOV discussion was the wrong venue and that they oppose it. In my view this was incorrect but I don't want to get into a revert war - it underlines my belief that protection is needed though. For the record I still think this should be a disambiguation page, but as it's now an article how about we take this to an AfD and get a definitive answer once and for all?
Thryduulf (
talk)
10:38, 9 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep and send to AfD I don't know why this wasn't done in the first place. The article was made into a dab page a year ago by one user in a NPOV/N discussion, with one other user agreeing with them and no one else responding to the action. The article was then changed into a redirect from the DAB page without any intervening discussion, it appears. Both of these actions were inappropriate, not to mention that the stated "merge" never appears to have happened. Some info was merged over to other articles, but the majority of it appears to have just been erased for no reason. All of this culminates in an appearance of trying to hide criticism of Wikipedia with out of process actions, which is just stupid.
SilverserenC11:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep as an article. The redirect isn't appropriate, but the article looks fine to me. Anyone who wants to get rid of it and turn this page back into a redirect should take it to AFD, as there clearly isn't a consensus to do so.
Robofish (
talk)
16:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)reply
the old RfD states that the content was already merged in other articles.
the merge discussion in the talk page states that there was consensus to merge, and that no information appears to be lost. I suggest making a disambiguation page, pointing people to the various places where the information has ended up. I don't see the need for a new AfD unless someone provides new reasons for restoring the article. The blanket restoration of the whole article appears to be
WP:POINTY and not based on the needs of the readers. --
Enric Naval (
talk)
16:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Revert to disambig page as per Thrydulf. Gives the reader a wide variety of choices, and prevents the coatrack style article that we don't really need (regardless of subject). --
Saddhiyama (
talk)
11:08, 10 August 2012 (UTC)reply
It's such a notable topic that different aspects of it are discussed in a balanced way in at least the 5 articles
listed here. Per
WP:NPOV#Naming,"Descriptive titles should be worded neutrally, so as not to suggest a viewpoint for or against a topic, or to confine the content of the article to views on a particular side of an issue (for example, an article titled "Criticisms of X" might be better renamed "Societal views on X").".
Reliability of Wikipedia is one such better named article, but it focuses only on one aspect of criticism of Wikipedia, the disambiguation page gives users the best chance of finding what they are looking for.
Thryduulf (
talk)
17:21, 11 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep, article is clearly notable with significant coverage given to specific sections of the article, sufficient to pass
WP:GNG and warrant their own standalone articles. However, as this appears to be an amalgamation of all those sub-topics of the general criticism of Wikipedia it can be argued that such new articles would be
content forks unless one can argue that the article itself meets
WP:LENGTH. If one does not believe that the subject of the article meets notability requirements, the article should be tagged (the tag should remain for a certain period of time to allow interested editors to edit the article) and if sufficient sources are not found to warrant passage of notability requirements, then the article should be brought up in AfD. Redirecting to a WikiProject, if the subject is notable is not the answer.--
RightCowLeftCoast (
talk)
17:38, 28 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Turn into DAB and move the content over to those pages. Miscellaneous criticism should be moved to the main Wikipedia article. I will do this only if all of the content is preserved; otherwise, Keep the original article.
Longbyte1 (
talk)
17:06, 3 September 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep as article and send to AfD. If consensus is for deletion, it should not exist as a dab page or as a redirect; certainly not as an XNR. (and if consensus is for keeping, somebody should undertake to udate it and clean it up.)
Scolaire (
talk)
22:51, 5 September 2012 (UTC)reply
Question: This article has not been a redirect, but a full article, since
8 August (almost a month ago). Should the Rfd/core template not be removed? It looks very strange at the top of a full article.
Scolaire (
talk)
22:51, 5 September 2012 (UTC)reply
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The boy in the iceberg
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Keep everything but the pained lady redirect since there appears to be a consensus bellow to change that redirect but no suggestion to change or delete any of the others outside the original nomination which has received little support.--
70.49.74.113 (
talk)
23:01, 4 September 2012 (UTC)reply
In case that was a bit confusing I will clarify. I disagree with the idea that the current redirect should be targeted to the article about the butterfly (Painted Lady) but should in fact link to the article about the film (The Painted Lady) since the redirect up for discussion is exactly the same except for the lowercase lettering.--
70.49.81.140 (
talk)
03:55, 7 August 2012 (UTC)reply
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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 5, 2012
You forgot Poland
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Keep. This is not only {{R to section}} and {{R from merge}}, but an exact title match on the name as well. Unless and until the target evolves to lose the information present, the redirect should be kept. If and when that happens, the redirect should be sub-paged for history concerns.
BigNate37(T)03:50, 6 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Well I was going to argue that the merge went to
Polish involvement in the 2003 invasion of Iraq#"You forgot Poland", but the so-called "merge" was really just a redirection to pre-existing content (see
the merging editor's April 2008 logs). Still, I'm inclined to favour the more comprehensive section for redirection. Changing the redirect to imply proper content location is a little bit cart-before-horse, but if the sections are refactored to reflect that the American debates are the proper home for that information then I have no objection to redirecting there and placing an appropriate hatnote at the other YfP section.
BigNate37(T)18:59, 9 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep since apparently it's still a well-known phrase and people are still likely to search for it. Per Robofish and BigNate (if I understand them correctly) I would be in favour of cutting the content from the Polish involvement article, pasting it in the Presidential debates article, and retargeting the redirect.
Scolaire (
talk)
07:31, 10 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Retarget per Robofish. A user searching for this phrase is more likely looking for its use in the presidential debate, not the actual involvement of Poland in the war. I'm tweaking that section to link to
Polish involvement in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, so anyone well served by this redirect as is will only be minorly inconvenienced. --
BDD (
talk)
19:16, 15 August 2012 (UTC)reply
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Criticism of Wikipedia
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's
talk page or in a
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The result of the discussion was Moot no longer a redirect at time of closing so wrong venue for discussion. Could be sent to afd if anyone want to.
Salix (
talk):
19:27, 8 September 2012 (UTC)reply
WP:XNR states: Currently, the general consensus seems to be that newly created cross-namespace redirects from the main (article) namespace to the Wikipedia: (project) namespace should be deleted and THIS redirect qualifies.
Ibicdlcod (
talk)
14:01, 5 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Revert to DAB from
21:41 25 June 2011 (UTC), on the assumption that the article's ~125kB of content was competently merged (I have not personally checked that we did not lose substantial and valuable information, and I take it on good faith that the merge was competent). I've looked over the DAB pages, and while the one I suggest isn't the most recent, it is the cleanest version to start from, and is not missing any links that appear in later versions. Reverting to an article version would require un-merging lest we end up with a lot of
forked material, and since its contents were merged to several articles, disambiguation is the natural extension of the common practice of redirecting pages to their merge targets. I'm not sure if it's too far outside RfD's scope to be making full protection decisions where they are not simple saltings, but I agree with Thryduulf that protection is a good course of action in this case.
BigNate37(T)00:29, 8 August 2012 (UTC)reply
NoteSilver seren (
talk·contribs) has unilaterally reverted this page to an article stating that the NPOV discussion was the wrong venue and that they oppose it. In my view this was incorrect but I don't want to get into a revert war - it underlines my belief that protection is needed though. For the record I still think this should be a disambiguation page, but as it's now an article how about we take this to an AfD and get a definitive answer once and for all?
Thryduulf (
talk)
10:38, 9 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep and send to AfD I don't know why this wasn't done in the first place. The article was made into a dab page a year ago by one user in a NPOV/N discussion, with one other user agreeing with them and no one else responding to the action. The article was then changed into a redirect from the DAB page without any intervening discussion, it appears. Both of these actions were inappropriate, not to mention that the stated "merge" never appears to have happened. Some info was merged over to other articles, but the majority of it appears to have just been erased for no reason. All of this culminates in an appearance of trying to hide criticism of Wikipedia with out of process actions, which is just stupid.
SilverserenC11:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep as an article. The redirect isn't appropriate, but the article looks fine to me. Anyone who wants to get rid of it and turn this page back into a redirect should take it to AFD, as there clearly isn't a consensus to do so.
Robofish (
talk)
16:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)reply
the old RfD states that the content was already merged in other articles.
the merge discussion in the talk page states that there was consensus to merge, and that no information appears to be lost. I suggest making a disambiguation page, pointing people to the various places where the information has ended up. I don't see the need for a new AfD unless someone provides new reasons for restoring the article. The blanket restoration of the whole article appears to be
WP:POINTY and not based on the needs of the readers. --
Enric Naval (
talk)
16:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Revert to disambig page as per Thrydulf. Gives the reader a wide variety of choices, and prevents the coatrack style article that we don't really need (regardless of subject). --
Saddhiyama (
talk)
11:08, 10 August 2012 (UTC)reply
It's such a notable topic that different aspects of it are discussed in a balanced way in at least the 5 articles
listed here. Per
WP:NPOV#Naming,"Descriptive titles should be worded neutrally, so as not to suggest a viewpoint for or against a topic, or to confine the content of the article to views on a particular side of an issue (for example, an article titled "Criticisms of X" might be better renamed "Societal views on X").".
Reliability of Wikipedia is one such better named article, but it focuses only on one aspect of criticism of Wikipedia, the disambiguation page gives users the best chance of finding what they are looking for.
Thryduulf (
talk)
17:21, 11 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep, article is clearly notable with significant coverage given to specific sections of the article, sufficient to pass
WP:GNG and warrant their own standalone articles. However, as this appears to be an amalgamation of all those sub-topics of the general criticism of Wikipedia it can be argued that such new articles would be
content forks unless one can argue that the article itself meets
WP:LENGTH. If one does not believe that the subject of the article meets notability requirements, the article should be tagged (the tag should remain for a certain period of time to allow interested editors to edit the article) and if sufficient sources are not found to warrant passage of notability requirements, then the article should be brought up in AfD. Redirecting to a WikiProject, if the subject is notable is not the answer.--
RightCowLeftCoast (
talk)
17:38, 28 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Turn into DAB and move the content over to those pages. Miscellaneous criticism should be moved to the main Wikipedia article. I will do this only if all of the content is preserved; otherwise, Keep the original article.
Longbyte1 (
talk)
17:06, 3 September 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep as article and send to AfD. If consensus is for deletion, it should not exist as a dab page or as a redirect; certainly not as an XNR. (and if consensus is for keeping, somebody should undertake to udate it and clean it up.)
Scolaire (
talk)
22:51, 5 September 2012 (UTC)reply
Question: This article has not been a redirect, but a full article, since
8 August (almost a month ago). Should the Rfd/core template not be removed? It looks very strange at the top of a full article.
Scolaire (
talk)
22:51, 5 September 2012 (UTC)reply
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The boy in the iceberg
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Keep everything but the pained lady redirect since there appears to be a consensus bellow to change that redirect but no suggestion to change or delete any of the others outside the original nomination which has received little support.--
70.49.74.113 (
talk)
23:01, 4 September 2012 (UTC)reply
In case that was a bit confusing I will clarify. I disagree with the idea that the current redirect should be targeted to the article about the butterfly (Painted Lady) but should in fact link to the article about the film (The Painted Lady) since the redirect up for discussion is exactly the same except for the lowercase lettering.--
70.49.81.140 (
talk)
03:55, 7 August 2012 (UTC)reply
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