This has just been promoted to GA. What steps are needed to upgrade it to FA? Will ( We're flying the flag all over the world) 15:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Several points mostly concerning language nitpicks:
- Transpennine is linked to Pennine in the 1st line but then Pennine is linked at its 2nd occurence shortly after.
- 'As of 2005, the M62 has an' - do we know that it still does? What about 'In 2005 the M62 had'?
- 'agreed after heated discussion' - who agreed? who had the discussion?
- 'dualling and grade-separation' - can we have definitions or links for these not very common terms. Someone unfamiliar with English may struggle.
- 'similar to the problems on Saddleworth Moor' - what problems? nothing about problems has been mentioned so far.
Done Removed.
Will (
We're flying the flag
all over the world)
21:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- 'eight million of which was solid rock' - 'were solid rock'?
- 'the geology of the moors resulted in the carriageways splitting for three-quarters of a mile in the middle of this section' - this makes it sound like the road was built with both carriageways together and then the geology split them apart.
- Done Reworded.
Will (
We're flying the flag
all over the world)
21:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- 'an eponymous interchange' - given there's presumably only one, how about 'the eponymous interchange'?
- 'Two contracts were awarded for the section of the M62 between Lofthouse and Ferrybridge, which were awarded in 1972, and completed in 1974.' - 2 awardeds. This could be re-written to only use one.
- 'alluvium bedrock' - I think alluvial is normally used as an adjective but not being a geologist I may not know correct usage here.
- 'Construction between the M1 and the A1' paragraph - why could a lightweight superstructure be used? did they not need to actually take care then? 'to engineers' should be 'to the engineers' I think.
- I would suggest putting in a paragraph about the coach bombing into the main article as this is a significant event to occur on the road.
- I vaguely remember something about the design of the over-the-top footbridge for the Pennine Way, can't find anything online now but will try to look in a book later.
- Things that I might possibly expect to find in the article - cost of the road, who the contractors were especially if there was anything interesting about them (for example 1 firm got all the work or 1 of them had massive delays), does the road have particular traffic problems? are there any plans to widen it etc? are there any accident blackspots on it? how many people die on it per year?
- Done
Not done Widening plans done. Anything else can't be done: I can't find a verifiable source for the costs.
theaa.com lists no accident black spots. I've already written about the Goole-North Cave section being delayed.
Will (
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00:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Done Found a source for the costs.
Will (
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01:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- What is happening with the various rivers on the UK map? These really don't help you to place the motorway accurately. A map with other major motorways or just major cities marked as dots might be easier to follow. On second thoughts I suppose you can tell that the motorway follows a major river quite closely so you might guess it was mainly in the river valley but at this scale the information is fairly meaningless. Having the missing M60 section marked in a different colour might make it clearer too.
JMiall
18:32, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Done Partially done. The image map tool isn't working.
Will (
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all over the world)
21:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- I recently passed it as a "Good article". A photo of Stott Hall Farm would be great (if available). Axl 07:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- I've also added a section on the Great Heck rail crash. Will ( We're flying the flag all over the world) 14:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
A few comments:
- Facts mentioned in the lead should also be mentioned in the body of the article, see
WP:LEAD.
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WP:LEAD also states that some facts also can be put in the lead but not the body. Which sections are you referring to?
Will (
talk)
11:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
- From the Relative emphasis section: Significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article, although specific facts, such as birthdates, titles, or scientific designations will often appear in the lead only. i.e. if something like a long official title (if the M62 had one) would be stated in the lead only, but significant facts (in this case, things like being the highest motorway in Britain) should be included in the body. Oldelpaso 18:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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- To a certain extent, the article reads like
Construction of the M62. Going into more depth on topics other than construction would be beneficial. For example, the effect of weather in the Pennines is mentioned briefly, this could be expanded upon. We are given the traffic figures for 2005, how have traffic levels changed over time?
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When I get some free time (I'm doing exams right now), I'll get onto it.
Will (
talk)
11:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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- A greater diversity of sources might be helpful, the majority of references are to a single site. Presumably several books have been written about motorways, or about the UK transport system in broader terms; it could be worth seeing if your local library has anything useful.
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The Motorway Archive describes itself
here. I can't think right now on how to describe it on one line.
Will (
talk)
11:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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Hope this helps. Oldelpaso 18:40, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
This has just been promoted to GA. What steps are needed to upgrade it to FA? Will ( We're flying the flag all over the world) 15:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Several points mostly concerning language nitpicks:
- Transpennine is linked to Pennine in the 1st line but then Pennine is linked at its 2nd occurence shortly after.
- 'As of 2005, the M62 has an' - do we know that it still does? What about 'In 2005 the M62 had'?
- 'agreed after heated discussion' - who agreed? who had the discussion?
- 'dualling and grade-separation' - can we have definitions or links for these not very common terms. Someone unfamiliar with English may struggle.
- 'similar to the problems on Saddleworth Moor' - what problems? nothing about problems has been mentioned so far.
- Done Removed.
Will (
We're flying the flag
all over the world)
21:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- 'eight million of which was solid rock' - 'were solid rock'?
- 'the geology of the moors resulted in the carriageways splitting for three-quarters of a mile in the middle of this section' - this makes it sound like the road was built with both carriageways together and then the geology split them apart.
- Done Reworded.
Will (
We're flying the flag
all over the world)
21:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- 'an eponymous interchange' - given there's presumably only one, how about 'the eponymous interchange'?
- 'Two contracts were awarded for the section of the M62 between Lofthouse and Ferrybridge, which were awarded in 1972, and completed in 1974.' - 2 awardeds. This could be re-written to only use one.
- 'alluvium bedrock' - I think alluvial is normally used as an adjective but not being a geologist I may not know correct usage here.
- 'Construction between the M1 and the A1' paragraph - why could a lightweight superstructure be used? did they not need to actually take care then? 'to engineers' should be 'to the engineers' I think.
- I would suggest putting in a paragraph about the coach bombing into the main article as this is a significant event to occur on the road.
- I vaguely remember something about the design of the over-the-top footbridge for the Pennine Way, can't find anything online now but will try to look in a book later.
- Things that I might possibly expect to find in the article - cost of the road, who the contractors were especially if there was anything interesting about them (for example 1 firm got all the work or 1 of them had massive delays), does the road have particular traffic problems? are there any plans to widen it etc? are there any accident blackspots on it? how many people die on it per year?
- Done Not done Widening plans done. Anything else can't be done: I can't find a verifiable source for the costs.
theaa.com lists no accident black spots. I've already written about the Goole-North Cave section being delayed.
Will (
We're flying the flag
all over the world)
00:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Done Found a source for the costs.
Will (
We're flying the flag
all over the world)
01:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- What is happening with the various rivers on the UK map? These really don't help you to place the motorway accurately. A map with other major motorways or just major cities marked as dots might be easier to follow. On second thoughts I suppose you can tell that the motorway follows a major river quite closely so you might guess it was mainly in the river valley but at this scale the information is fairly meaningless. Having the missing M60 section marked in a different colour might make it clearer too.
JMiall
18:32, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Done Partially done. The image map tool isn't working.
Will (
We're flying the flag
all over the world)
21:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- I recently passed it as a "Good article". A photo of Stott Hall Farm would be great (if available). Axl 07:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- I've also added a section on the Great Heck rail crash. Will ( We're flying the flag all over the world) 14:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
A few comments:
- Facts mentioned in the lead should also be mentioned in the body of the article, see
WP:LEAD.
-
WP:LEAD also states that some facts also can be put in the lead but not the body. Which sections are you referring to?
Will (
talk)
11:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
- From the Relative emphasis section: Significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article, although specific facts, such as birthdates, titles, or scientific designations will often appear in the lead only. i.e. if something like a long official title (if the M62 had one) would be stated in the lead only, but significant facts (in this case, things like being the highest motorway in Britain) should be included in the body. Oldelpaso 18:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
-
- To a certain extent, the article reads like
Construction of the M62. Going into more depth on topics other than construction would be beneficial. For example, the effect of weather in the Pennines is mentioned briefly, this could be expanded upon. We are given the traffic figures for 2005, how have traffic levels changed over time?
-
When I get some free time (I'm doing exams right now), I'll get onto it.
Will (
talk)
11:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
-
- A greater diversity of sources might be helpful, the majority of references are to a single site. Presumably several books have been written about motorways, or about the UK transport system in broader terms; it could be worth seeing if your local library has anything useful.
-
The Motorway Archive describes itself
here. I can't think right now on how to describe it on one line.
Will (
talk)
11:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
-
Hope this helps. Oldelpaso 18:40, 3 June 2007 (UTC)