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I'm thinking about renominating this at FAC and feel that the article has improved since its last review. I've attempted to remove all traces of original research and cleaned up the sources. I believe the content is all there, but I need comments/suggestions before I renominate.

Thanks, JAG UAR  22:55, 3 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Note: I intend to clean-up the reception section soon, as my writing standards have apparently improved since July 2014. JAG UAR  23:04, 3 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Comments from Z105space

Here are a few points that I have to offer. I will leave the prose to more experienced editors in this field.

  • Alt text for all images
References
  • There should be a consistent date format to use with the references (British English and American English formats are used). You should only use one format.
  • Reference #4 needs an access date
  • #7, #32, #33, #34, #36 need publication dates
  • #19 needs an section for the title's translation from Japanese to English and an publication date
  • #22, #26, #30 should all use the cite journal format
  • #34 the publisher should be IGN not Famitsu and requires an author
  • #6 and #38 both an archive link which displays the message "Page cannot be crawled or displayed due to robots.txt." Is there any way to rectify this?
  • #39 will need an author link to Matt Casamassina

That is all I have for the moment. I will have another look at the article later on. Z105space (talk) 08:46, 5 November 2015 (UTC) reply

@ Z105space: thank you very much for your comments! Every little helps. I think I've addressed everything. I vow that this article won't fail its next FAC, so I'll take no half measures. JAG UAR  22:09, 6 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Comments from Rhain1999

I'll just point out anything that I see:

  • There isn't any reference at the end of the first Gameplay paragraph.
  • The third Gameplay paragraph seems a little short; it could probably be merged with another paragraph, although I'm sure it's not a huge problem.
  • I'm aware that Plot sections don't always require references, but a lot of the Plot here seems to be telling the background of the story, as opposed to briefly re-telling the plot itself (which is in no way a bad thing, but I'd recommend sourcing it. Even a source to the game itself (à la The Last of Us, Grand Theft Auto V) should be suitable).
  • I'd personally change the full stop after "phases" (Development and release, paragraph 2) to a colon, but this is a personal opinion only; it's great as it is.
  • There's no source for "the series came to an end".
  • I recommend archiving all web references.
  • I'd personally link all of the publications ( IGN, Edge, Future plc, etc.) and any applicable authors ( Greg Miller) in the references, although I think this is just personal preference.
  • For consistency, I'd avoid placing publications such as "IGN" or "Game Revolution" in the |author= field; just leave them for |work= or |publisher= instead.
  • I'd also use |last= and |first=, instead of |author= (in the case of reference 39).

This is a great article, and all of my points above are pretty minor. Great work! – Rhain1999 ( talk to me) 03:26, 7 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Comments by PresN
  • Usually company corporate statuses, like "co., ltd.", are not included when talking about them, as they are not properly part of the company's name- "Exact Co., Ltd. and Ultra Co., Ltd." should therefore be "Exact and Ultra"
  • I agree, I thought leaving in the "co., ltd" made the article feel unnecessarily cluttered. I've removed all of them, except in the publisher field of a citation. JAG UAR  15:26, 16 November 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Since you referred to it as the "PlayStation console", you should also refer to the "Sharp X68000 home computer"
  • "The game was generally well received from critics" -> received by critics
  • It's not the "fifth game generation", it's just the fifth console generation
  • "However, Jumping Flash! did spawn two sequels," - the "however" at the start feels jarring; try "Jumping Flash! did spawn two sequels, however,"
  • Just like the rest of the lead, the infobox doesn't usually require citations- maybe note the director, etc. in Development instead with that cite?
  • I've removed the citations from the infobox as I seem the obsolete due to the infobox not requiring citations (I was always led under the false impression that they had to). I can't see how relevant it would be to include the staff in the development section, but if someone brings that up at the FAC then I'll find a way JAG UAR  20:59, 16 November 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Consider collapsing the release dates in the infobox with a {{ collapsible list}} template, since the box sticks down so far
  • "The core of the gameplay is centred around" - "centred on", you can't center "around" something
  • "The player has the ability to shoot a low-powered beam where a target indicator is centred in the middle of the screen." - confusing. Maybe, "The player has the ability to shoot a low-powered beam at a target indicator, centred in the middle of the screen."
  • "Coins are worth points can also be picked up" -> "Coins that are worth points can also be picked up"
  • "Jumping Flash! is composed of six worlds with three levels each, totalling 18 main levels,[8] of which there are seven boss levels and an extra six bonus stages available." - so... are there 18 levels, or 18 + 6, or 18 + 13?
  • "In the main levels, the objective of the first two levels of each world" - this sentence is not saying what you mean, which is that the first two levels of each world are regular levels.
  • "a mentally-insane astrophysicist" - is there non-mental insanity?
  • "Planning to make a large salary" - salary? Is someone paying him?
  • "Consequently, he also removes and hides the twelve Jet Pods that propel each world" - consequently makes no sense here, and you've only been talking about one planet, so what's "each world"?
  • "the Universal City Hall dispatches of their agents" - of?
  • "MuuMuus which are described as" - described where?
  • "developers Exact (Excellent Application Create Team)[9] and Ultra Co., Ltd" - again, just Ultra, and again a few sentences later
  • "Sharp X68000 home computer" again
  • The sentence starting "Upon seeing Geograph Seal" is really long and snakey; try to cut it in half at least.
  • "shares identical gameplay traits from" - shares from? shares with
  • I really think you need to talk a bit about the gameplay differences with the Sharp X68000 game; was it also a 3D platformer? It can't be, right, but you only say that they have almost the same gameplay
  • "Jumping Flash! was among the first games of the platforming genre to be developed with full 3D technology" - in the lead you flatly state it was the first, why the hedging now?
  • This is risky. Guinness World Records states Jumping Flash is the first platform game in true 3D, and they're never wrong. Sure Geograph Seal is almost identical but I don't think anybody owned a Sharp X68000 as they were incredibly expensive. I've changed this sentence to "Jumping Flash! was considered the first game of the platforming genre to be developed with full 3D technology", though I'm sure this will raise some questions at the FAC. If so, I'll link back here and explain sources consider it "the first". JAG UAR  13:39, 17 November 2015 (UTC) reply
  • "Co., Ltd ... Co., Ltd"
  • "Many of the tracks were included with tracks of its successor from the Jumping Flash! 2 Original Soundtrack" - uh, this sentence is trying to say two things simultaneously. Did you mean "Many of the tracks were included along with tracks from Jumping Flash! 2 in the Jumping Flash! 2 Original Soundtrack album"? Or did you mean that the tracks were reused in Jumping Flash! 2 itself, and also on the album?
  • "clean textures.[32][20][24]" - ref ordering, though that's super-minor
  • Reception is laid out fine, though its usually preferred to arrange by topic (gameplay, graphics, etc.), not by publication.
  • "Game Revolution stated that the graphics "mind blowing" and the game itself "totally unique" " - either "stated that the graphics were "mind blowing" or "called the graphics "mind blowing""
  • Cut that sentence in half as well- "but also...but nevertheless" is a runon
  • In general, though that's the worst one, you seem to have a hesitancy to cut a review summary into multiple sentences- you don't need to cram everything the reviewer said into a single sentence if it gets awkward.
  • "did not harm to the "vibrant" atmosphere"
  • Since you note IGN's "1996" review, you should say when the retro review was
  • "one of the most important ancestors of any 3D platform game at the time" - so, it was an important ancestor at the time, but now isn't? Don't think that's how ancestors work, so some word choice is off here
  • "also praised the game by having lasting memories" - by having lasting memories? Or for creating lasting memories?
  • "two sequels to Jumping Flash!, including one spin-off" - if the spinoff isn't one of the two, then it's not "included". "two sequels to Jumping Flash! and one spin-off game"
  • "A loose spin-off, Pocket MuuMuu was" -> "A loose spin-off, Pocket MuuMuu, was"
  • I'm not seeing the logic as to when you link the name of a work/publisher in the references and when you don't; you don't seem to be following either the "all the time" or "the first time" patterns. (or the "never" pattern)
  • Consider archiving your online references- several of them are redirecting already as the original site has closed.
Thanks for the comments, PresN! I believe I've addressed all of your concerns. Not sure if I should send this to FAC tomorrow or wait a while. JAG UAR  22:51, 18 November 2015 (UTC) reply
Retrieved from " https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Peer_review/Jumping_Flash!/archive3&oldid=1086097715"
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Jumping Flash!

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I'm thinking about renominating this at FAC and feel that the article has improved since its last review. I've attempted to remove all traces of original research and cleaned up the sources. I believe the content is all there, but I need comments/suggestions before I renominate.

Thanks, JAG UAR  22:55, 3 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Note: I intend to clean-up the reception section soon, as my writing standards have apparently improved since July 2014. JAG UAR  23:04, 3 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Comments from Z105space

Here are a few points that I have to offer. I will leave the prose to more experienced editors in this field.

  • Alt text for all images
References
  • There should be a consistent date format to use with the references (British English and American English formats are used). You should only use one format.
  • Reference #4 needs an access date
  • #7, #32, #33, #34, #36 need publication dates
  • #19 needs an section for the title's translation from Japanese to English and an publication date
  • #22, #26, #30 should all use the cite journal format
  • #34 the publisher should be IGN not Famitsu and requires an author
  • #6 and #38 both an archive link which displays the message "Page cannot be crawled or displayed due to robots.txt." Is there any way to rectify this?
  • #39 will need an author link to Matt Casamassina

That is all I have for the moment. I will have another look at the article later on. Z105space (talk) 08:46, 5 November 2015 (UTC) reply

@ Z105space: thank you very much for your comments! Every little helps. I think I've addressed everything. I vow that this article won't fail its next FAC, so I'll take no half measures. JAG UAR  22:09, 6 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Comments from Rhain1999

I'll just point out anything that I see:

  • There isn't any reference at the end of the first Gameplay paragraph.
  • The third Gameplay paragraph seems a little short; it could probably be merged with another paragraph, although I'm sure it's not a huge problem.
  • I'm aware that Plot sections don't always require references, but a lot of the Plot here seems to be telling the background of the story, as opposed to briefly re-telling the plot itself (which is in no way a bad thing, but I'd recommend sourcing it. Even a source to the game itself (à la The Last of Us, Grand Theft Auto V) should be suitable).
  • I'd personally change the full stop after "phases" (Development and release, paragraph 2) to a colon, but this is a personal opinion only; it's great as it is.
  • There's no source for "the series came to an end".
  • I recommend archiving all web references.
  • I'd personally link all of the publications ( IGN, Edge, Future plc, etc.) and any applicable authors ( Greg Miller) in the references, although I think this is just personal preference.
  • For consistency, I'd avoid placing publications such as "IGN" or "Game Revolution" in the |author= field; just leave them for |work= or |publisher= instead.
  • I'd also use |last= and |first=, instead of |author= (in the case of reference 39).

This is a great article, and all of my points above are pretty minor. Great work! – Rhain1999 ( talk to me) 03:26, 7 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Comments by PresN
  • Usually company corporate statuses, like "co., ltd.", are not included when talking about them, as they are not properly part of the company's name- "Exact Co., Ltd. and Ultra Co., Ltd." should therefore be "Exact and Ultra"
  • I agree, I thought leaving in the "co., ltd" made the article feel unnecessarily cluttered. I've removed all of them, except in the publisher field of a citation. JAG UAR  15:26, 16 November 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Since you referred to it as the "PlayStation console", you should also refer to the "Sharp X68000 home computer"
  • "The game was generally well received from critics" -> received by critics
  • It's not the "fifth game generation", it's just the fifth console generation
  • "However, Jumping Flash! did spawn two sequels," - the "however" at the start feels jarring; try "Jumping Flash! did spawn two sequels, however,"
  • Just like the rest of the lead, the infobox doesn't usually require citations- maybe note the director, etc. in Development instead with that cite?
  • I've removed the citations from the infobox as I seem the obsolete due to the infobox not requiring citations (I was always led under the false impression that they had to). I can't see how relevant it would be to include the staff in the development section, but if someone brings that up at the FAC then I'll find a way JAG UAR  20:59, 16 November 2015 (UTC) reply
  • Consider collapsing the release dates in the infobox with a {{ collapsible list}} template, since the box sticks down so far
  • "The core of the gameplay is centred around" - "centred on", you can't center "around" something
  • "The player has the ability to shoot a low-powered beam where a target indicator is centred in the middle of the screen." - confusing. Maybe, "The player has the ability to shoot a low-powered beam at a target indicator, centred in the middle of the screen."
  • "Coins are worth points can also be picked up" -> "Coins that are worth points can also be picked up"
  • "Jumping Flash! is composed of six worlds with three levels each, totalling 18 main levels,[8] of which there are seven boss levels and an extra six bonus stages available." - so... are there 18 levels, or 18 + 6, or 18 + 13?
  • "In the main levels, the objective of the first two levels of each world" - this sentence is not saying what you mean, which is that the first two levels of each world are regular levels.
  • "a mentally-insane astrophysicist" - is there non-mental insanity?
  • "Planning to make a large salary" - salary? Is someone paying him?
  • "Consequently, he also removes and hides the twelve Jet Pods that propel each world" - consequently makes no sense here, and you've only been talking about one planet, so what's "each world"?
  • "the Universal City Hall dispatches of their agents" - of?
  • "MuuMuus which are described as" - described where?
  • "developers Exact (Excellent Application Create Team)[9] and Ultra Co., Ltd" - again, just Ultra, and again a few sentences later
  • "Sharp X68000 home computer" again
  • The sentence starting "Upon seeing Geograph Seal" is really long and snakey; try to cut it in half at least.
  • "shares identical gameplay traits from" - shares from? shares with
  • I really think you need to talk a bit about the gameplay differences with the Sharp X68000 game; was it also a 3D platformer? It can't be, right, but you only say that they have almost the same gameplay
  • "Jumping Flash! was among the first games of the platforming genre to be developed with full 3D technology" - in the lead you flatly state it was the first, why the hedging now?
  • This is risky. Guinness World Records states Jumping Flash is the first platform game in true 3D, and they're never wrong. Sure Geograph Seal is almost identical but I don't think anybody owned a Sharp X68000 as they were incredibly expensive. I've changed this sentence to "Jumping Flash! was considered the first game of the platforming genre to be developed with full 3D technology", though I'm sure this will raise some questions at the FAC. If so, I'll link back here and explain sources consider it "the first". JAG UAR  13:39, 17 November 2015 (UTC) reply
  • "Co., Ltd ... Co., Ltd"
  • "Many of the tracks were included with tracks of its successor from the Jumping Flash! 2 Original Soundtrack" - uh, this sentence is trying to say two things simultaneously. Did you mean "Many of the tracks were included along with tracks from Jumping Flash! 2 in the Jumping Flash! 2 Original Soundtrack album"? Or did you mean that the tracks were reused in Jumping Flash! 2 itself, and also on the album?
  • "clean textures.[32][20][24]" - ref ordering, though that's super-minor
  • Reception is laid out fine, though its usually preferred to arrange by topic (gameplay, graphics, etc.), not by publication.
  • "Game Revolution stated that the graphics "mind blowing" and the game itself "totally unique" " - either "stated that the graphics were "mind blowing" or "called the graphics "mind blowing""
  • Cut that sentence in half as well- "but also...but nevertheless" is a runon
  • In general, though that's the worst one, you seem to have a hesitancy to cut a review summary into multiple sentences- you don't need to cram everything the reviewer said into a single sentence if it gets awkward.
  • "did not harm to the "vibrant" atmosphere"
  • Since you note IGN's "1996" review, you should say when the retro review was
  • "one of the most important ancestors of any 3D platform game at the time" - so, it was an important ancestor at the time, but now isn't? Don't think that's how ancestors work, so some word choice is off here
  • "also praised the game by having lasting memories" - by having lasting memories? Or for creating lasting memories?
  • "two sequels to Jumping Flash!, including one spin-off" - if the spinoff isn't one of the two, then it's not "included". "two sequels to Jumping Flash! and one spin-off game"
  • "A loose spin-off, Pocket MuuMuu was" -> "A loose spin-off, Pocket MuuMuu, was"
  • I'm not seeing the logic as to when you link the name of a work/publisher in the references and when you don't; you don't seem to be following either the "all the time" or "the first time" patterns. (or the "never" pattern)
  • Consider archiving your online references- several of them are redirecting already as the original site has closed.
Thanks for the comments, PresN! I believe I've addressed all of your concerns. Not sure if I should send this to FAC tomorrow or wait a while. JAG UAR  22:51, 18 November 2015 (UTC) reply
Retrieved from " https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Peer_review/Jumping_Flash!/archive3&oldid=1086097715"

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