I have been maintaining this article since one year ago when it was basically nothing more than a list of films and basic personal information about Abbas. Since January 2007 I have been intensively working on it and made it a comprehensive article. Then I aksed several editors from Film Wikiproject and several other administrators and native English speakers to help me with the copyedits, tone, format and language. User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld, User:Mtevfrog and User: Francis Tyers were most helpful. Copy editting is not finished yet. The size of the article is big which can be easily reduced by simply splitting out one of the longer sections (e.g. filmography). By all these considerations I believe the article is in status that a peer review would be very helpful. I am interetsted to know the status of the article based on wikipedia quality scales (Wikipedia 1.0 standard). I also would like to have your comments on the article for future improvements. Thanks in advance. Sangak 21:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I will continue copyediting while looking forward to more comments and suggestions. Sangak 20:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
An interesting and informative article which was mostly a pleasure to read. In terms of its thoroughness and potential I'd like to say that it's an A-class article. However, it suffers from a number of problems which would at the moment preclude it from GA status, so I'm going to have to assess it as B-class. Here are my comments (not an exhaustive list):
“ | Following The Experience (1973), Kiarostami released The Traveller or Mossafer (1974), Kiarostami's first feature that tells the story of a troublesome, amoral 10 year old boy Hassan Darabi, living in a small town in Iran, who wishes to go to Tehran to see the Iran national football team play an important match. To achieve that, he steals money from friends and neighbors through a series of scams. After a number of adventures, he finally reaches Tehran stadium at the time of the match, but there, in wrong-doing he meets an element of moral punishment for his crimes and comeuppance. The film addresses how driven the boy in reaching his objective, and in doing so never thinking how what he is doing will affect other people, even those that are closer to him, examining human behaviour and the balance of right and wrong. | ” |
As you'll gather, I haven't given it a fine-toothed reading all the way through, and I haven't done a proper copyedit. (Which the article needs more than anything else.) But I hope that's enough to start with. Let me know if you have any questions, and I will try to come back later and offer some more detailed comments. MLilburne 11:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Having had another look at the article, I was reminded of Pascal's statement that "I have made this letter longer than usual, only because I have not had the time to make it shorter". I really think the article is too long, & could do with some tightening up. Don't misunderstand me: it's an excellent essay—but it would be a better, & more useful, article if it were shorter. Of course this is to some extent a matter of taste; but in general people refer to WP for some basic facts & background, with an introduction to the main issues involved in a given topic. They don't, in general, want a more discursive, "literary" discussion.
I don't have any specific recommendations—just an overall feeling that the article's too long. Several of the films seem to be discussed & described in far too much detail. The main points you want to convey will, I think, come across more convincingly if you trim these details, if only because your reader is more likely to continue reading & less likely to get bored & give up. In a word: remember Pascal! -- NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 11:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I've never had a chance to see any Persian cinema, but after reading this article, I'm interested in checking some out. Abbas Kiarostami seems like an interesting filmmaker (as I read this I could even see an early artistic influence from his childhood with his interest in painting, etc.) This article enticed me into reading more about him and his films. Overall, I thought that it was well-written and well-researched. I don't see any problems with it. -- Aivazovsky 03:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I have been maintaining this article since one year ago when it was basically nothing more than a list of films and basic personal information about Abbas. Since January 2007 I have been intensively working on it and made it a comprehensive article. Then I aksed several editors from Film Wikiproject and several other administrators and native English speakers to help me with the copyedits, tone, format and language. User:Ernst Stavro Blofeld, User:Mtevfrog and User: Francis Tyers were most helpful. Copy editting is not finished yet. The size of the article is big which can be easily reduced by simply splitting out one of the longer sections (e.g. filmography). By all these considerations I believe the article is in status that a peer review would be very helpful. I am interetsted to know the status of the article based on wikipedia quality scales (Wikipedia 1.0 standard). I also would like to have your comments on the article for future improvements. Thanks in advance. Sangak 21:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I will continue copyediting while looking forward to more comments and suggestions. Sangak 20:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
An interesting and informative article which was mostly a pleasure to read. In terms of its thoroughness and potential I'd like to say that it's an A-class article. However, it suffers from a number of problems which would at the moment preclude it from GA status, so I'm going to have to assess it as B-class. Here are my comments (not an exhaustive list):
“ | Following The Experience (1973), Kiarostami released The Traveller or Mossafer (1974), Kiarostami's first feature that tells the story of a troublesome, amoral 10 year old boy Hassan Darabi, living in a small town in Iran, who wishes to go to Tehran to see the Iran national football team play an important match. To achieve that, he steals money from friends and neighbors through a series of scams. After a number of adventures, he finally reaches Tehran stadium at the time of the match, but there, in wrong-doing he meets an element of moral punishment for his crimes and comeuppance. The film addresses how driven the boy in reaching his objective, and in doing so never thinking how what he is doing will affect other people, even those that are closer to him, examining human behaviour and the balance of right and wrong. | ” |
As you'll gather, I haven't given it a fine-toothed reading all the way through, and I haven't done a proper copyedit. (Which the article needs more than anything else.) But I hope that's enough to start with. Let me know if you have any questions, and I will try to come back later and offer some more detailed comments. MLilburne 11:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Having had another look at the article, I was reminded of Pascal's statement that "I have made this letter longer than usual, only because I have not had the time to make it shorter". I really think the article is too long, & could do with some tightening up. Don't misunderstand me: it's an excellent essay—but it would be a better, & more useful, article if it were shorter. Of course this is to some extent a matter of taste; but in general people refer to WP for some basic facts & background, with an introduction to the main issues involved in a given topic. They don't, in general, want a more discursive, "literary" discussion.
I don't have any specific recommendations—just an overall feeling that the article's too long. Several of the films seem to be discussed & described in far too much detail. The main points you want to convey will, I think, come across more convincingly if you trim these details, if only because your reader is more likely to continue reading & less likely to get bored & give up. In a word: remember Pascal! -- NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 11:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I've never had a chance to see any Persian cinema, but after reading this article, I'm interested in checking some out. Abbas Kiarostami seems like an interesting filmmaker (as I read this I could even see an early artistic influence from his childhood with his interest in painting, etc.) This article enticed me into reading more about him and his films. Overall, I thought that it was well-written and well-researched. I don't see any problems with it. -- Aivazovsky 03:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)