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R. Charleroi S.C. ( talk| | history| logs| links| archive| watch) ( RM) ( Discussion with closer)

The discussion did not lead to an acceptable outcome, and the current title is very bad and was discussed previously. Dl.thinker ( talk) 14:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC) reply

  • I had closed this move discussion. Dl.thinker are acting in good-faith here, but I still stand by my closure. When saying "... discussed previously", I think Dl.thinker are referring to Talk:R. Charleroi S.C.#Requested move 20 January 2021 for "R. Charleroi S.C. → Royal Charleroi S.C." Current move discussion does not have a clear consensus. I am not sure what exactly Dl.thinker is expecting as output from this move review. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    A relisting would have surely been decisive. When we discuss, we are expected to get responses, and this is what those who opposed the move did not want. Dl.thinker ( talk) 17:43, 21 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse. I note that the RM nomination was poor. Next time, make the nomination more comprehensive. Address the points that previously caused people to oppose. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 21:58, 21 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Mostly endorse (uninvolved), as there's no problems with closing the move as no consensus by policy, but with no prejudice against renomination with a stronger nomination statement. 2-3 months should not be a hard and fast rule; WP:RMCI only brings it up as a recommendation as most successful re-requests after a no consensus close take place after that length, but I think this could gain consensus with a stronger nomination statement. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 01:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse (uninvolved, except that I relisted the RM earlier). No consensus is a reasonable reading of the RM. Regarding what else the nominator can try, I'd say that another possible option is to take up the idea of starting a more broadly scoped discussion about Belgian clubs (even if you don't necessarily agree with other editors' reasons for why they wanted that kind of a discussion). No guarantee whether it would ultimately reach a clearer consensus, of course, but might be worth a try. Adumbrativus ( talk) 02:40, 22 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse as involved. It's frustrating that it was no consensus considering if you look at the two move discussions as a whole, it's clear there's consensus (and, in my opinion, clear evidence) the current title is incorrect. That doesn't mean there's consensus the new title is better. I'll start a more comprehensive move discussion when this move review is closed and suggest an alternative title. SportingFlyer T· C 15:41, 23 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse (uninvolved). As Skarmory suggests above, I think a future RM with a stronger nomination statement has a strong chance of achieving consensus; however, I don't see any consensus as having emerged in the discussion that did occur. ModernDayTrilobite ( talkcontribs) 18:15, 25 August 2023 (UTC) reply
The above is an archive of the move review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following is an archived debate of the move review of the page above. Please do not modify it.
R. Charleroi S.C. ( talk| | history| logs| links| archive| watch) ( RM) ( Discussion with closer)

The discussion did not lead to an acceptable outcome, and the current title is very bad and was discussed previously. Dl.thinker ( talk) 14:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC) reply

  • I had closed this move discussion. Dl.thinker are acting in good-faith here, but I still stand by my closure. When saying "... discussed previously", I think Dl.thinker are referring to Talk:R. Charleroi S.C.#Requested move 20 January 2021 for "R. Charleroi S.C. → Royal Charleroi S.C." Current move discussion does not have a clear consensus. I am not sure what exactly Dl.thinker is expecting as output from this move review. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC) reply
    A relisting would have surely been decisive. When we discuss, we are expected to get responses, and this is what those who opposed the move did not want. Dl.thinker ( talk) 17:43, 21 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse. I note that the RM nomination was poor. Next time, make the nomination more comprehensive. Address the points that previously caused people to oppose. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 21:58, 21 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Mostly endorse (uninvolved), as there's no problems with closing the move as no consensus by policy, but with no prejudice against renomination with a stronger nomination statement. 2-3 months should not be a hard and fast rule; WP:RMCI only brings it up as a recommendation as most successful re-requests after a no consensus close take place after that length, but I think this could gain consensus with a stronger nomination statement. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 01:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse (uninvolved, except that I relisted the RM earlier). No consensus is a reasonable reading of the RM. Regarding what else the nominator can try, I'd say that another possible option is to take up the idea of starting a more broadly scoped discussion about Belgian clubs (even if you don't necessarily agree with other editors' reasons for why they wanted that kind of a discussion). No guarantee whether it would ultimately reach a clearer consensus, of course, but might be worth a try. Adumbrativus ( talk) 02:40, 22 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse as involved. It's frustrating that it was no consensus considering if you look at the two move discussions as a whole, it's clear there's consensus (and, in my opinion, clear evidence) the current title is incorrect. That doesn't mean there's consensus the new title is better. I'll start a more comprehensive move discussion when this move review is closed and suggest an alternative title. SportingFlyer T· C 15:41, 23 August 2023 (UTC) reply
  • Endorse (uninvolved). As Skarmory suggests above, I think a future RM with a stronger nomination statement has a strong chance of achieving consensus; however, I don't see any consensus as having emerged in the discussion that did occur. ModernDayTrilobite ( talkcontribs) 18:15, 25 August 2023 (UTC) reply
The above is an archive of the move review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.

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