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This RM was submitted a few days ago but wrongly closed. It was cited that a RM could be re-proposed citing this MR is stale. No, that may be correct with nearly all other articles but Trump, being a political exception, cannot have a RM for 6 months or risk being blocked. The closer should not ask someone to do a blockable offense, which is to re-submit a RM. The snow close is inappropriate for several reasons. The topic is contentious so a non-administrator closing it as "snow" is problematic. It was closed after only 5 votes. There have been previous RM with many strongly opposed opinions so a unanimous vote is highly improbable. If such an improbable event of a unanimous vote were to happen, there should be no SNOW closure to demonstrate that there are 20-30 unanimous votes, not railroading a closure using the SNOW excuse. There are many reasons for a RM but individual users can explain for themselves. Snow closing something that generated very lengthy debate as now; that's plain wrong. An administrator should have closed this complex and contentious RM, not a non-administrator. Disclaimer: I am not a Trump supporter. Believe me. New2018Year New2018Year ( talk) 22:27, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
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The following is an archived debate of the move review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
Given the controversy regarding this discussion, I think this should not have been closed by a non-admin. Stronger weight should have been given to the arguments that were supported by the guideline, which admittedly was changed while the discussion was taking place. The close should also have taken into account the result of the move at Talk:Vikings (2013 TV series)#Requested move 13 January 2018. To be fair, the whole discussion has been a mess. Given the recent change in the WP:NCTV guideline, which happened while the discussion was taking place, I also don't think any prejudice should have been given regarding a future move, as the guideline now expressly mentions that genre should not be used. -- wooden superman 09:02, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
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The following is an archived debate of the move review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
The RM was Trump to Donald Trump. The snow close is inappropriate for several reasons. The topic is contentious so a non-administrator closing it as "snow" is problematic. It was closed after only 5 votes. There have been previous RM with many strongly opposed opinions so a unanimous vote is highly improbable. If such an improbable event were to happen, there should be no SNOW closure to demonstrate that there are 20-30 unanimous votes, not railroading a closure using the SNOW excuse. There are many reasons for a RM but individual users can explain for themselves. Closing something that generated very lengthy debate as now; that's plain wrong. An administrator should have closed this complex and contentious RM, not a non-administrator. Disclaimer: I am not a Trump supporter. Believe me. New2018Year ( talk) 17:59, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
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Throughout this discussion there were 6 arguments supporting the move and 4 opposed. No evidence that the oppositions are more convincing than the supports (one of them appears to be a version of wp:OTHERSTUFF.) Consensus seems to have established that the Mississippi city is the primary topic. Bneu2013 ( talk) 05:24, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
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The following is an archived debate of the move review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
Throughout this discussion, there were a total of six users in favor of moving the page to the proposed title, and five opposed to doing so. While this is not based on vote, I don't see how the oppositions have more weight than the support. Both the statistics and the discussion seem to agree that the Mississippi city is the primary topic, but not by an overwhelming margin. While there were certainly more arguments given in opposition to this move, I don't know that that means that they have more weight. Bneu2013 ( talk) 05:17, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
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The page has been moved without proper discussion in Dutch and English. I was told by mover Kleuske that I have no voice in the discussion as I am Pál Hermann's grandson. Pál Hermann used the westernized version of his name "Paul" as a performing musician, but his native "Pál" on his manuscripts as a composer. IMSLP and the Colburn School scholarship use Pál, other initiatives Paul. Cruel destiny will have it that there was a namesake Paul Hermann active as a Nazi composer in Berlin in the same years Pál worked there. Could we find a consensus? Pvangastel Pvangastel ( talk) 09:36, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
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The following is an archived debate of the move review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
This RM was submitted a few days ago but wrongly closed. It was cited that a RM could be re-proposed citing this MR is stale. No, that may be correct with nearly all other articles but Trump, being a political exception, cannot have a RM for 6 months or risk being blocked. The closer should not ask someone to do a blockable offense, which is to re-submit a RM. The snow close is inappropriate for several reasons. The topic is contentious so a non-administrator closing it as "snow" is problematic. It was closed after only 5 votes. There have been previous RM with many strongly opposed opinions so a unanimous vote is highly improbable. If such an improbable event of a unanimous vote were to happen, there should be no SNOW closure to demonstrate that there are 20-30 unanimous votes, not railroading a closure using the SNOW excuse. There are many reasons for a RM but individual users can explain for themselves. Snow closing something that generated very lengthy debate as now; that's plain wrong. An administrator should have closed this complex and contentious RM, not a non-administrator. Disclaimer: I am not a Trump supporter. Believe me. New2018Year New2018Year ( talk) 22:27, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
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The following is an archived debate of the move review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
Given the controversy regarding this discussion, I think this should not have been closed by a non-admin. Stronger weight should have been given to the arguments that were supported by the guideline, which admittedly was changed while the discussion was taking place. The close should also have taken into account the result of the move at Talk:Vikings (2013 TV series)#Requested move 13 January 2018. To be fair, the whole discussion has been a mess. Given the recent change in the WP:NCTV guideline, which happened while the discussion was taking place, I also don't think any prejudice should have been given regarding a future move, as the guideline now expressly mentions that genre should not be used. -- wooden superman 09:02, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the move review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
The following is an archived debate of the move review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
The RM was Trump to Donald Trump. The snow close is inappropriate for several reasons. The topic is contentious so a non-administrator closing it as "snow" is problematic. It was closed after only 5 votes. There have been previous RM with many strongly opposed opinions so a unanimous vote is highly improbable. If such an improbable event were to happen, there should be no SNOW closure to demonstrate that there are 20-30 unanimous votes, not railroading a closure using the SNOW excuse. There are many reasons for a RM but individual users can explain for themselves. Closing something that generated very lengthy debate as now; that's plain wrong. An administrator should have closed this complex and contentious RM, not a non-administrator. Disclaimer: I am not a Trump supporter. Believe me. New2018Year ( talk) 17:59, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the move review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
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The following is an archived debate of the move review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
Throughout this discussion there were 6 arguments supporting the move and 4 opposed. No evidence that the oppositions are more convincing than the supports (one of them appears to be a version of wp:OTHERSTUFF.) Consensus seems to have established that the Mississippi city is the primary topic. Bneu2013 ( talk) 05:24, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the move review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
The following is an archived debate of the move review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
Throughout this discussion, there were a total of six users in favor of moving the page to the proposed title, and five opposed to doing so. While this is not based on vote, I don't see how the oppositions have more weight than the support. Both the statistics and the discussion seem to agree that the Mississippi city is the primary topic, but not by an overwhelming margin. While there were certainly more arguments given in opposition to this move, I don't know that that means that they have more weight. Bneu2013 ( talk) 05:17, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the move review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
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The following is an archived debate of the move review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
The page has been moved without proper discussion in Dutch and English. I was told by mover Kleuske that I have no voice in the discussion as I am Pál Hermann's grandson. Pál Hermann used the westernized version of his name "Paul" as a performing musician, but his native "Pál" on his manuscripts as a composer. IMSLP and the Colburn School scholarship use Pál, other initiatives Paul. Cruel destiny will have it that there was a namesake Paul Hermann active as a Nazi composer in Berlin in the same years Pál worked there. Could we find a consensus? Pvangastel Pvangastel ( talk) 09:36, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the move review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |