- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was keep as there is a possibility of development. Silver seren is free to move it into his userspace if he prefers. JohnCD ( talk) 22:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Abandoned Drafts/Suzanne M. Olsson
Was mentioned during Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:SuzanneOlsson/sandbox (2nd nomination), where the outcome was delete, but proper notice wasn't given. Someone has objected, so I'm relisting it so a discussion can take place with proper notice given to all interested parties. This is a procedural nomination, I have no opinion on whether the article should be kept, deleted, whatnot. Wily D 09:10, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- Keep I was the person that objected. I don't know about Olsson's relationship with Wikipedia or with the editors in the prior MfD or anything about web hosting in relation to the userspace draft she had. The original draft in her user subpage has been deleted and I have no problem with that, as this separate draft for the Wikiproject is NOINDEXED. Back onto the topic at hand, regardless of everything else, Olsson is clearly notable. She has fringe religious theories, sure, but they are notable fringe theories. Here's some source examples:
- That's just a quick sampling from a Google News search, which you can see and find more
here. I think her notability is quite evident and I don't believe the draft should be deleted, as it is one of the drafts being worked on by the Wikiproject.
Silver
seren
C 09:16, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- I think these sources do not demonstrate her Wikipedia-notability. In each source, Olsson is not the subject of the coverage, but the proponent of the subject. This subject, "Jesus is buried in the Roza Bal Shrine in downtown Srinagar, in Indian-administered Kashmir", is a religious fringe subject. I think that Olsson should not have a Wikipedia biography, as she is not known for anythign but this, with no sources covering her biographically, but she should be mentioned in an article on this alternative theory on Jesus. Probably a mention at Jesus_in_Ahmadiyya_Belief#Tomb_of_Jesus_.28Roza_Bal.29 -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 11:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- Userfy for Silver seren, for him to edit and move to mainspace. As there is a promotional aspect, this page should not be left live without being testable at AfD, so please, until it is moved to mainspace, keep it blanked if it is not being actively edited. There must be a limit to how long things can be left live as an "abandoned draft" -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 11:33, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- Move to mainspace and I will help Silver seren work on it. The difficulty is that Suzanne Olsson (the Wikipedia editor) has now been topic-banned from everything relating to Roza Bal, the main area of research of Suzanne Olsson (the person) and a primary topic (no doubt) of Suzanne Olsson (the article). In effect, she has now been topic-banned from editing her own draft article about herself, and would be topic-banned from editing the article were such an article to be moved to mainspace. But I think the article should be published, despite the problematic history. Stalwart 111 00:39, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support if you like, with the reservation that I think there should be coverage of the subject "Jesus in India" before biographical coverage of a proponent. In other words, my reservation is that this is likely to be an orphan biography. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 05:30, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
- No worries Joe. There is some coverage of the subject, in fact Jesus in India exists as a redirect to Unknown years of Jesus. Roza Bal is one part of the theory outlined at end of the lede of that article. I would think there would likely be links from Roza Bal at least. So not extensively linked, for sure, but not an orphan entirely. Stalwart 111 06:19, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was keep as there is a possibility of development. Silver seren is free to move it into his userspace if he prefers. JohnCD ( talk) 22:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Abandoned Drafts/Suzanne M. Olsson
Was mentioned during Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:SuzanneOlsson/sandbox (2nd nomination), where the outcome was delete, but proper notice wasn't given. Someone has objected, so I'm relisting it so a discussion can take place with proper notice given to all interested parties. This is a procedural nomination, I have no opinion on whether the article should be kept, deleted, whatnot. Wily D 09:10, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- Keep I was the person that objected. I don't know about Olsson's relationship with Wikipedia or with the editors in the prior MfD or anything about web hosting in relation to the userspace draft she had. The original draft in her user subpage has been deleted and I have no problem with that, as this separate draft for the Wikiproject is NOINDEXED. Back onto the topic at hand, regardless of everything else, Olsson is clearly notable. She has fringe religious theories, sure, but they are notable fringe theories. Here's some source examples:
- That's just a quick sampling from a Google News search, which you can see and find more
here. I think her notability is quite evident and I don't believe the draft should be deleted, as it is one of the drafts being worked on by the Wikiproject.
Silver
seren
C 09:16, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- I think these sources do not demonstrate her Wikipedia-notability. In each source, Olsson is not the subject of the coverage, but the proponent of the subject. This subject, "Jesus is buried in the Roza Bal Shrine in downtown Srinagar, in Indian-administered Kashmir", is a religious fringe subject. I think that Olsson should not have a Wikipedia biography, as she is not known for anythign but this, with no sources covering her biographically, but she should be mentioned in an article on this alternative theory on Jesus. Probably a mention at Jesus_in_Ahmadiyya_Belief#Tomb_of_Jesus_.28Roza_Bal.29 -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 11:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- Userfy for Silver seren, for him to edit and move to mainspace. As there is a promotional aspect, this page should not be left live without being testable at AfD, so please, until it is moved to mainspace, keep it blanked if it is not being actively edited. There must be a limit to how long things can be left live as an "abandoned draft" -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 11:33, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- Move to mainspace and I will help Silver seren work on it. The difficulty is that Suzanne Olsson (the Wikipedia editor) has now been topic-banned from everything relating to Roza Bal, the main area of research of Suzanne Olsson (the person) and a primary topic (no doubt) of Suzanne Olsson (the article). In effect, she has now been topic-banned from editing her own draft article about herself, and would be topic-banned from editing the article were such an article to be moved to mainspace. But I think the article should be published, despite the problematic history. Stalwart 111 00:39, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support if you like, with the reservation that I think there should be coverage of the subject "Jesus in India" before biographical coverage of a proponent. In other words, my reservation is that this is likely to be an orphan biography. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 05:30, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
- No worries Joe. There is some coverage of the subject, in fact Jesus in India exists as a redirect to Unknown years of Jesus. Roza Bal is one part of the theory outlined at end of the lede of that article. I would think there would likely be links from Roza Bal at least. So not extensively linked, for sure, but not an orphan entirely. Stalwart 111 06:19, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.