- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 01:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
Incomplete translation from Japanese, abandoned since 2008. Other subpages of Wikipedia:Translation such as Wikipedia:Translation/Tanja Ostojić seem to be requests for translation. TSventon ( talk) 10:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't there a CSD criterion for this? There certainly should be. Otherwise, delete. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment to User:Pigsonthewing - How frequent are these abandoned subpages? CSD criteria should be Objective, Uncontestable, Frequent, and Nonredundant. Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Delete - This seems to be abandoned in project space. It also seems to be in English, so it doesn't appear to be a request for translation. Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- The first half of the page is in English, the second in Japanese. TSventon ( talk) 18:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep : just update the translation and rename the page Bouzinac ( talk) 08:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Bouzinac, you may be the person most interested in keeping the page. Updating the whole translation would be a major task, particularly as the page (like the 2008 ja article) has no sources. Producing a stub like would be easier and keep the history. TSventon ( talk) 10:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If putting any effort in translation start by translating the current Japanese article at ja:アーバンネットワーク. The content on the nominated page is unsourced. The antiquated revision of the Japanese article of which it is a copy is also unsourced. The current revision reads differently and has a fair number of references. We cover this topic in West Japan Railway Company#Urban Network; that is also unsourced and coverage seems weak. It would certainly be better to start fresh if translating. Creating an incentive for editors to translate this antiquated unsourced content is a net negative when they could be translating the good content.— Alalch E. 00:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Ancient, useless cruft. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Archive. Was used, or was intended to be. Archiving old stuff is what should be done. Ancient project stuff should not be fed through MfD for
busywork deletion. Users who do not know how to archive should not be curating old stuff.
SmokeyJoe (
talk)
08:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
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SmokeyJoe I have taken this to MFD for advice from more knowledgeable editors. This page seems to be an anomaly as other subpages of
Wikipedia:Translation such as
Wikipedia:Translation/Tanja Ostojić seem to be requests for translation.
TSventon (
talk)
10:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- My advice is to archive, and if you seek deletion you need are explain why archiving isn’t good enough. I disagree strongly with Andy that any old done stuff should be speediable, records of how things were done are important, and often there can be attribution requirements in not deleting. Users who participated should not have their contribution record hidden from them without good reason. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 11:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
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SmokeyJoe I have taken this to MFD for advice from more knowledgeable editors. This page seems to be an anomaly as other subpages of
Wikipedia:Translation such as
Wikipedia:Translation/Tanja Ostojić seem to be requests for translation.
TSventon (
talk)
10:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 01:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
Incomplete translation from Japanese, abandoned since 2008. Other subpages of Wikipedia:Translation such as Wikipedia:Translation/Tanja Ostojić seem to be requests for translation. TSventon ( talk) 10:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't there a CSD criterion for this? There certainly should be. Otherwise, delete. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment to User:Pigsonthewing - How frequent are these abandoned subpages? CSD criteria should be Objective, Uncontestable, Frequent, and Nonredundant. Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Delete - This seems to be abandoned in project space. It also seems to be in English, so it doesn't appear to be a request for translation. Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- The first half of the page is in English, the second in Japanese. TSventon ( talk) 18:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep : just update the translation and rename the page Bouzinac ( talk) 08:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Bouzinac, you may be the person most interested in keeping the page. Updating the whole translation would be a major task, particularly as the page (like the 2008 ja article) has no sources. Producing a stub like would be easier and keep the history. TSventon ( talk) 10:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If putting any effort in translation start by translating the current Japanese article at ja:アーバンネットワーク. The content on the nominated page is unsourced. The antiquated revision of the Japanese article of which it is a copy is also unsourced. The current revision reads differently and has a fair number of references. We cover this topic in West Japan Railway Company#Urban Network; that is also unsourced and coverage seems weak. It would certainly be better to start fresh if translating. Creating an incentive for editors to translate this antiquated unsourced content is a net negative when they could be translating the good content.— Alalch E. 00:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Ancient, useless cruft. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Archive. Was used, or was intended to be. Archiving old stuff is what should be done. Ancient project stuff should not be fed through MfD for
busywork deletion. Users who do not know how to archive should not be curating old stuff.
SmokeyJoe (
talk)
08:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
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SmokeyJoe I have taken this to MFD for advice from more knowledgeable editors. This page seems to be an anomaly as other subpages of
Wikipedia:Translation such as
Wikipedia:Translation/Tanja Ostojić seem to be requests for translation.
TSventon (
talk)
10:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- My advice is to archive, and if you seek deletion you need are explain why archiving isn’t good enough. I disagree strongly with Andy that any old done stuff should be speediable, records of how things were done are important, and often there can be attribution requirements in not deleting. Users who participated should not have their contribution record hidden from them without good reason. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 11:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
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SmokeyJoe I have taken this to MFD for advice from more knowledgeable editors. This page seems to be an anomaly as other subpages of
Wikipedia:Translation such as
Wikipedia:Translation/Tanja Ostojić seem to be requests for translation.
TSventon (
talk)
10:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.