The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellany page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was Keep. The consensus is fairly undeniable here. Most of these "humorous, but also useful as policy" pages live on Meta now, but this one seems to have the wiki-love of the community behind it.
Xoloz15:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)reply
If you came to this page because a friend asked you to do so, or because you saw a man climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spiderman, please note that this is not a vote. This is a discussion among Wikipedia editors and is aimed at reaching a consensus on whether climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spiderman is compatible with the goals of the project (many people think it isn't). The outcome of MfD nominations are primarily determined by the quality of arguments for or against deletion; the process is immune to ballot-stuffing or
sockpuppetry. And if you've brought climbing equipment and a spandex outfit with you to the MfD... well, we all already know where that's headed, don't we?
You can participate in the discussion and post your opinions here, even if you are new. Deletion is based on
Wikipedia policies and guidelines, so please take a look at them if you have not already. For more information, see
Wikipedia deletion policy.
Wikipedia project pages are aimed at supporting the creation of the encyclopedia, and
not to promote points of view or non-encylopedic purposes (such as climbing the Reichstag while dressed as Spiderman).
Please
sign your posts on this page by adding ~~~~ at the end. Happy editing!
I see it as merely social networking and with no other purpose. It is not being invoked to ask editors to calm down over content disputes.--
A Y Arktos\talk22:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
How is this in any way a network? The only thing I can think of is someone created a cat for RC patrollers, but it's not being used to network. It's just a silly, yet curiously serious (I won't spill the beans!) page. Hardly a "network". Oh, and there's all of five people in the cat, at least one of which didn't even put himself in it.
Snoutwood(talk)23:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep. I've been here long enough that I feel that I'm entitled to my opinion about how this place runs. Here's a brief summary of how I've seen humor work on Wikipedia: Person creates something genuinely funny. People go, "Oh fuck!" and plaster moronic joke tags over the entire damn thing so that no-one ever has to run the risk of being surprised and finding it funny again. Person *fDs the page because it "doesn't match the purpoe of Wikipedia."
Lads, let me tell you something (which you surely didn't want to know anyway, but that won't stop me). I like to laugh. I also like to edit Wikipedia. If you think that it's impossible to be of value and have a gutwrenching howl, go wander over to
User:Theresa knott and have a cackle. Read this page. See the old April Fool's joke pages. Go read, laugh, and get back to work. This particular page is as good as it gets. It's funny, it's actually a logical extension of
real policy, it won't offend anyone, and I saw it, laughed, and thought, "Wikipedia's actually doing pretty O.K. if we still have a sense of humor that'll tolerate this."
You help to create the world you live in. Go now, you humorless, and delete each and every funny page, plaster the ones you couldn't with idiotic tags, pretending that somehow moving this content to BJAODN makes it take up less server space or make Wikipedia more fucking serious. Heil prudish Brittanica! Enjoy your dry, brittle, starched-pantie bureaucracy while it's still here, and remember that I said it first: you reap what you sow.
Snoutwood(talk)12:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep Usable policy page. Mislabled as "humorous," I believe the consensus was guideline. If you don't like the policy, vote against in it the straw poll, don't try to delete it.
Hipocrite -
«Talk»13:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep. This seems like sound policy. Climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spiderman is not behavior we want to be seen as encouraging, at least not as a way of settling content disputes. ·
rodii ·13:32, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep. Climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spiderman is unquestionably grounds for an indefinite block. Should be formally endorsed as policy, although for this to happen it would clearly need to be expanded to encompass the climbing of any major landmark dressed as any comic book superhero or comparable character.
Just zis Guy you know?14:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
(double edit conflict) Neutral (vote changed: see below). (Note: I created
the userbox that goes with this policy, although I do not use it myself.) On one hand, this policy ought to be kept for the humor value and the fact that it almost makes a useful point. It seems to have a lot in common with
WP:ROUGE (which is useful for explaining away the behaviour of some admins). However, I have some concerns; it seems to have been the subject of internal talk-page spamming, and its existence possibly violates
WP:BEANS. I would ask that if the verdict is to delete, both it and its talk page should be
BJAODNd, probably 'Best of' as many Wikipedians (including me) seem to find it funny. --
ais523 14:09, 29 June 2006 (
UTC)
Big smile/laugh keep, I agree that Wikipedia should have an occasional humor page like this per Snoutwood's comments and Rodii's comments.
Netscott14:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Nervous keep. Keep because it's funny, and yet it's true. Nervous because now a hundred people will think they can create a policy just as funny, and they can't. But it will be worth it, even if I have to delete those hundred policies myself.
DJ Clayworth14:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
No, I wasn't making a legal threat -- I was just saying that someone else might sue Wikipedia, citing damages for an attractive nuisance, pain and suffering, and whatever else people sue about. Personally, I'd never climb the
Reichstag in a Spider-Man outfit -- I'd climb the
IDS Tower in a
Batman outfit. Or maybe I'd just ride the elevator up to the 51st floor, dressed normally. --
Elkman20:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep, there are some Wikipedia-space articles kept and marked as humour; I don't see why this one can't be kept either (although whether this should be official policy or a humour page is a debate that can be done outside of MfD). --
Deathphoenixʕ17:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep This one is good advice. There are better methods to settele content disputes. My personal favorite is "The Wrong Version"
[1] with recommendations from Jimbo for people who'd like to appeal such cases directly to Jimbo. --
FloNighttalk17:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep, but tag a little more clearly as humor - replace the green checkmark with a smiley face or something. Made me laugh - and no, I don't see anything wrong with the occasional bit of silliness in the Wikipedia namespace.
Zetawoof(
ζ)19:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep Its amusing and makes the point well. --
Gibnews
Reconsidered delete, sadly, for long term good of project -- I was going to say "keep and reclassify as wikipedia humor". It made me laugh. But I'm rethinking, right now. The problem is, humor is essential. But do we want to end up inviting every humorist to use the project namespace for humor? I think sadly, a line needs drawing somewhere, before it really starts getting out of hand. Its not that this is especially good or bad, its just that an arbitrary line'll need drawing somewhere to curtail the trend towards using of WP workspace for editors trivia. Maybe a new namespace, "humor"? Its funny... but its also a good place to start drawing that line.....
FT2(
Talk |
email)23:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep. I follow FT2 on this one. it was a breath of fresh air actually. Just hope it doesn't become a precedent for an endless proliferation of parody on WP policy. ...
Kenosis00:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment that may interest only me: I just noticed that someone actually protected this page due to an edit war... therefore is someone going to actually climb the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man regarding this page too? :-)
Zzyzx11(Talk)00:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment' (as apparently all of these should be): The current form of the article oversteps its bounds as a guideline and offers an overly strong punishment (permanatant banning which will result since it is 'absolutely forbidden') in response to vauge transgressions of wikipedia rules (apparently involving edit wars and the like). From what I've seen, policies are often used inappropriately to support at POV and a vauge on makes this easier, essentially allowing editors who use it to paint other editors as emotional extremists who are grandstanding--a difficult allegation to disprove. I guess a simply change to 'strongly discouraged' would do the trick. If wikipedia wants to remain consensus-based then very few actions, if any should be 'absolutely forbidden' and rather taken on a case by case basis. The article is amusing (and borderline uncylopedia in my opinion) and I see how humor can help diffuse the type of situation where it would be used, though that has to be weighed as a catchall complaint tag for 'strong advocates of a position I disagree with'. --
Antonrojo01:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
No, mate, it's not meant to be vague: it's meant to mean, quite literally, that if you climb the Reichstag dressed as Spiderman to draw attention to a Wikipedia dispute, you will be permanently banned.
Snoutwood(talk)01:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep... as BJAODN... so, I guess, delete. We have a place for essays like this. It's a wonderful, magical place where the Js are B and DN can frolic and play with ODN. That's where this should be.
JDoorjamTalk04:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment Regardless of what happens to the page, please place a link to this MfD on BJAODN. Although entirely serious, some of the comments happen to be amusing. --
ais523 07:43, 30 June 2006 (
UTC)
Strong-Super-Mighty-Ultra-Mega-lighting-Jimbo Keep! Why let my efforts go to waste? This is Friggin' Genious! Full credit goes to
User: JzG for actualy making it- but I dont see any of you climbing a Major landmark, dressed in a flimsy outfit that could giveway at any time and expose your nakedness and potentialy start an international dispute/conflict, just to prove a stupid point!
Delete! - This is perhaps the stupidest thing I have ever seen on Wikipedia. And if I was someone going to WP looking around, reading articles and came over this, I would leave and never come back thinking that WP was a really silly place and why should I use an encyclopedia I couldn't take seriously. Havok(T/
C/
c)
08:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
You don't think that arguing for seriousness when you spend most of your time editing popular culture articles weakens your case just the teensiest bit? And did you spot the
winkie?
Just zis Guy you know?11:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep. It's frickin' funny and promotes humor in a constructive manner. I think everyone needs more humor, quite honestly. Not harming anything, I don't think.
Grandmasterka09:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Err, I'm still on the ascent. Once I've finished my freeze dried
Frosties I'll pack up base camp, change out of my pyjamas into my SpidermanWonder Woman outfit and continue to the summit. Weather forecast good, should make it by nightfall. --
Cactus.man✍10:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
But then you're on the wrong page here (see above:....
Reichstag...), and climbing the Bundeskanzleramt isn't a blockable offense till now (I can't be everywhere). :))))
Lectonar10:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Obviously very few people know of Merkel's secret bunker office in the
Reichstag, I am on the correct building, approaching the glass dome. And surely cross-dressing comic book chracter outfits are exempt from this policy. --
Cactus.man✍11:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep per recent changes to the page, which is now not only humorous but potentially useful. I am a bit concerned about the precedent we are setting here; anyone care to write
Wikipedia:Don't let WP:NCR be a precedent? --
ais523 12:14, 30 June 2006 (
UTC)
Weak Keep I don't like the page as it is, but the idea behind it is reasonable enough for me to vote keep. There is nothing wrong with guidelines whose absurd titles help reinforce a point, but this one right now seems to be lacking in substance. I'll vote keep and request that we work to clarify what it's supposed to say (which, from what what I gather, is don't go over the top in a content dispute).
joturner12:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment. The page was renamed to
Wikipedia:No climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man; the title at the top of the MfD is now just a redirect. (This, presumably, is why the MfD tag warns against moving the page during the debate.) --
ais523 13:51, 30 June 2006 (
UTC)
Strong Delete Either Wikipedia is a serious project to spread information and knowledge around the world, or it is a failed joke allowing sad, unfunny, tacky MySpace ripoffs like this. There is no need for this rubbish in Wiki at all.
doktorbwordsdeeds17:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Move it to a subpage of BJAODN. Note, move it. Then might as well delete the redirect. For those calling to "delete and move", keep in mind that we have to maintain the edit history for legal reasons.
Bryan23:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Changing my opinion. Considering the existence of the two joke policies in Lubaf's comment below, keep this one too and label it appropriately.
Bryan03:20, 1 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment Surely this article/policy/whatever violates basic policy because it has no encyclopedic content whatever? It adds nothing to existing policy, is in my personal opinion just a sarcastic copy of the existing
WP:POINT rules, and offers evidence to the anti-Wiki groups that the project cannot be trusted as a relaiable, serious source of information?
doktorbwordsdeeds10:00, 1 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment It difuses,tenshions,among users.So,yes,it is improving, wikipedia, by helping to resolve disputes,and in that sence,it is folowing the rules.It can't hurt,thats for sure.Peopol,are not robots,they need to relax,to increase productivity.No i'm not registered,but,please concider this in that point of vue.
Comment The copyvio has now been sorted (at the cost of a small amount of impact). --
ais523 09:46, 4 July 2006 (
UTC)
I was going to comment Delete just to spite JzG because he's such a deletionista and always comments delete on stuff I like but it's a good policy (if you're a policy wonk like me), despite the
WP:BEANS issues it raises, and I think it adds value to the encyclopedia. People that don't get the humor won't get it but that's no reason to delete. As for
WP:ROUGE hands off! KEEP of oourse. ++Lar:
t/
c14:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Delete and move to BJAODN. This definitely does NOT "difuses,tenshions,among users". It creates tension by accusing Wikipedians of performing dangerously stupid stunts. Every place that I've seen it used, it's been used offensively and not in a friendly way.--
M@rēino20:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Due to some confusion from one editor - let me clarify - "troll magnet" does not mean the creator is a troll, nor that anyone/everyone who views or edits (or supports) the article is a troll. It just means that in my view it is an unnessary addition to the encyclopedia which is more likely to cause problems than it is to solve any.
Ian¹³/t13:02, 2 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep It's funny- very funny- but I think it deserves to stay around (as opposed to moving to BJAODN) because it actually does state an important message about WP. --
Kicking22212:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Strong DELETE &mddash; Is this really compatible with being taken seriiously as en encyclopedia? And if this is allowed, why can't everyone have their own humor entry? Additional opinion: It's not funny. It's sophomoric. --
Tenebrae15:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep; leave it alone. It punctures a different form of wiki-pomposity than any other humor page I've seen. It will probably be cited in debates, and better than having the same point done badly at length.
Septentrionalis13:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment So if I want to put across a point in a discussion, do I refer to
WP:POINT or this one, which is essentially the same thing written in heavy sarcasm? Keeping this kind of article muddies the waters.
doktorbwordsdeeds13:33, 3 July 2006 (UTC)reply
That's easy to answer, if the situation calls for a formal response send folks to
WP:POINT if a less formal more "ice-breaking" response is called for send them to
WP:NCTRDAS (or both optimally).
Netscott14:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)reply
And I read this as specifically directed at needless policy, which often does not fall into the quite narrow range of
WP:POINT; a policy proposal can be
WP:SPIDER and still represent concerns genuinely held by the proposers.
Septentrionalis15:40, 3 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep. The point is made humorously, but there is a real need to lighten up on Wikipedia, and I think this expresses it well. Maybe I am just sick of disputes' escalating until neither side can see good faith in the other.
Robert A.West (
Talk)
17:00, 3 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep. Yes, WP isn't for the funny, but I see this kinda page as an Easter Egg - it's extremely unlikely to be seen by the majority of users, but the few who do will have a good laugh then move on.
Satan's Rubber Duck01:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellany page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was Keep. The consensus is fairly undeniable here. Most of these "humorous, but also useful as policy" pages live on Meta now, but this one seems to have the wiki-love of the community behind it.
Xoloz15:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)reply
If you came to this page because a friend asked you to do so, or because you saw a man climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spiderman, please note that this is not a vote. This is a discussion among Wikipedia editors and is aimed at reaching a consensus on whether climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spiderman is compatible with the goals of the project (many people think it isn't). The outcome of MfD nominations are primarily determined by the quality of arguments for or against deletion; the process is immune to ballot-stuffing or
sockpuppetry. And if you've brought climbing equipment and a spandex outfit with you to the MfD... well, we all already know where that's headed, don't we?
You can participate in the discussion and post your opinions here, even if you are new. Deletion is based on
Wikipedia policies and guidelines, so please take a look at them if you have not already. For more information, see
Wikipedia deletion policy.
Wikipedia project pages are aimed at supporting the creation of the encyclopedia, and
not to promote points of view or non-encylopedic purposes (such as climbing the Reichstag while dressed as Spiderman).
Please
sign your posts on this page by adding ~~~~ at the end. Happy editing!
I see it as merely social networking and with no other purpose. It is not being invoked to ask editors to calm down over content disputes.--
A Y Arktos\talk22:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
How is this in any way a network? The only thing I can think of is someone created a cat for RC patrollers, but it's not being used to network. It's just a silly, yet curiously serious (I won't spill the beans!) page. Hardly a "network". Oh, and there's all of five people in the cat, at least one of which didn't even put himself in it.
Snoutwood(talk)23:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep. I've been here long enough that I feel that I'm entitled to my opinion about how this place runs. Here's a brief summary of how I've seen humor work on Wikipedia: Person creates something genuinely funny. People go, "Oh fuck!" and plaster moronic joke tags over the entire damn thing so that no-one ever has to run the risk of being surprised and finding it funny again. Person *fDs the page because it "doesn't match the purpoe of Wikipedia."
Lads, let me tell you something (which you surely didn't want to know anyway, but that won't stop me). I like to laugh. I also like to edit Wikipedia. If you think that it's impossible to be of value and have a gutwrenching howl, go wander over to
User:Theresa knott and have a cackle. Read this page. See the old April Fool's joke pages. Go read, laugh, and get back to work. This particular page is as good as it gets. It's funny, it's actually a logical extension of
real policy, it won't offend anyone, and I saw it, laughed, and thought, "Wikipedia's actually doing pretty O.K. if we still have a sense of humor that'll tolerate this."
You help to create the world you live in. Go now, you humorless, and delete each and every funny page, plaster the ones you couldn't with idiotic tags, pretending that somehow moving this content to BJAODN makes it take up less server space or make Wikipedia more fucking serious. Heil prudish Brittanica! Enjoy your dry, brittle, starched-pantie bureaucracy while it's still here, and remember that I said it first: you reap what you sow.
Snoutwood(talk)12:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Strong Keep Usable policy page. Mislabled as "humorous," I believe the consensus was guideline. If you don't like the policy, vote against in it the straw poll, don't try to delete it.
Hipocrite -
«Talk»13:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep. This seems like sound policy. Climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spiderman is not behavior we want to be seen as encouraging, at least not as a way of settling content disputes. ·
rodii ·13:32, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep. Climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spiderman is unquestionably grounds for an indefinite block. Should be formally endorsed as policy, although for this to happen it would clearly need to be expanded to encompass the climbing of any major landmark dressed as any comic book superhero or comparable character.
Just zis Guy you know?14:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
(double edit conflict) Neutral (vote changed: see below). (Note: I created
the userbox that goes with this policy, although I do not use it myself.) On one hand, this policy ought to be kept for the humor value and the fact that it almost makes a useful point. It seems to have a lot in common with
WP:ROUGE (which is useful for explaining away the behaviour of some admins). However, I have some concerns; it seems to have been the subject of internal talk-page spamming, and its existence possibly violates
WP:BEANS. I would ask that if the verdict is to delete, both it and its talk page should be
BJAODNd, probably 'Best of' as many Wikipedians (including me) seem to find it funny. --
ais523 14:09, 29 June 2006 (
UTC)
Big smile/laugh keep, I agree that Wikipedia should have an occasional humor page like this per Snoutwood's comments and Rodii's comments.
Netscott14:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Nervous keep. Keep because it's funny, and yet it's true. Nervous because now a hundred people will think they can create a policy just as funny, and they can't. But it will be worth it, even if I have to delete those hundred policies myself.
DJ Clayworth14:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
No, I wasn't making a legal threat -- I was just saying that someone else might sue Wikipedia, citing damages for an attractive nuisance, pain and suffering, and whatever else people sue about. Personally, I'd never climb the
Reichstag in a Spider-Man outfit -- I'd climb the
IDS Tower in a
Batman outfit. Or maybe I'd just ride the elevator up to the 51st floor, dressed normally. --
Elkman20:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep, there are some Wikipedia-space articles kept and marked as humour; I don't see why this one can't be kept either (although whether this should be official policy or a humour page is a debate that can be done outside of MfD). --
Deathphoenixʕ17:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep This one is good advice. There are better methods to settele content disputes. My personal favorite is "The Wrong Version"
[1] with recommendations from Jimbo for people who'd like to appeal such cases directly to Jimbo. --
FloNighttalk17:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep, but tag a little more clearly as humor - replace the green checkmark with a smiley face or something. Made me laugh - and no, I don't see anything wrong with the occasional bit of silliness in the Wikipedia namespace.
Zetawoof(
ζ)19:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep Its amusing and makes the point well. --
Gibnews
Reconsidered delete, sadly, for long term good of project -- I was going to say "keep and reclassify as wikipedia humor". It made me laugh. But I'm rethinking, right now. The problem is, humor is essential. But do we want to end up inviting every humorist to use the project namespace for humor? I think sadly, a line needs drawing somewhere, before it really starts getting out of hand. Its not that this is especially good or bad, its just that an arbitrary line'll need drawing somewhere to curtail the trend towards using of WP workspace for editors trivia. Maybe a new namespace, "humor"? Its funny... but its also a good place to start drawing that line.....
FT2(
Talk |
email)23:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep. I follow FT2 on this one. it was a breath of fresh air actually. Just hope it doesn't become a precedent for an endless proliferation of parody on WP policy. ...
Kenosis00:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment that may interest only me: I just noticed that someone actually protected this page due to an edit war... therefore is someone going to actually climb the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man regarding this page too? :-)
Zzyzx11(Talk)00:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment' (as apparently all of these should be): The current form of the article oversteps its bounds as a guideline and offers an overly strong punishment (permanatant banning which will result since it is 'absolutely forbidden') in response to vauge transgressions of wikipedia rules (apparently involving edit wars and the like). From what I've seen, policies are often used inappropriately to support at POV and a vauge on makes this easier, essentially allowing editors who use it to paint other editors as emotional extremists who are grandstanding--a difficult allegation to disprove. I guess a simply change to 'strongly discouraged' would do the trick. If wikipedia wants to remain consensus-based then very few actions, if any should be 'absolutely forbidden' and rather taken on a case by case basis. The article is amusing (and borderline uncylopedia in my opinion) and I see how humor can help diffuse the type of situation where it would be used, though that has to be weighed as a catchall complaint tag for 'strong advocates of a position I disagree with'. --
Antonrojo01:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
No, mate, it's not meant to be vague: it's meant to mean, quite literally, that if you climb the Reichstag dressed as Spiderman to draw attention to a Wikipedia dispute, you will be permanently banned.
Snoutwood(talk)01:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep... as BJAODN... so, I guess, delete. We have a place for essays like this. It's a wonderful, magical place where the Js are B and DN can frolic and play with ODN. That's where this should be.
JDoorjamTalk04:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment Regardless of what happens to the page, please place a link to this MfD on BJAODN. Although entirely serious, some of the comments happen to be amusing. --
ais523 07:43, 30 June 2006 (
UTC)
Strong-Super-Mighty-Ultra-Mega-lighting-Jimbo Keep! Why let my efforts go to waste? This is Friggin' Genious! Full credit goes to
User: JzG for actualy making it- but I dont see any of you climbing a Major landmark, dressed in a flimsy outfit that could giveway at any time and expose your nakedness and potentialy start an international dispute/conflict, just to prove a stupid point!
Delete! - This is perhaps the stupidest thing I have ever seen on Wikipedia. And if I was someone going to WP looking around, reading articles and came over this, I would leave and never come back thinking that WP was a really silly place and why should I use an encyclopedia I couldn't take seriously. Havok(T/
C/
c)
08:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
You don't think that arguing for seriousness when you spend most of your time editing popular culture articles weakens your case just the teensiest bit? And did you spot the
winkie?
Just zis Guy you know?11:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep. It's frickin' funny and promotes humor in a constructive manner. I think everyone needs more humor, quite honestly. Not harming anything, I don't think.
Grandmasterka09:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Err, I'm still on the ascent. Once I've finished my freeze dried
Frosties I'll pack up base camp, change out of my pyjamas into my SpidermanWonder Woman outfit and continue to the summit. Weather forecast good, should make it by nightfall. --
Cactus.man✍10:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
But then you're on the wrong page here (see above:....
Reichstag...), and climbing the Bundeskanzleramt isn't a blockable offense till now (I can't be everywhere). :))))
Lectonar10:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Obviously very few people know of Merkel's secret bunker office in the
Reichstag, I am on the correct building, approaching the glass dome. And surely cross-dressing comic book chracter outfits are exempt from this policy. --
Cactus.man✍11:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep per recent changes to the page, which is now not only humorous but potentially useful. I am a bit concerned about the precedent we are setting here; anyone care to write
Wikipedia:Don't let WP:NCR be a precedent? --
ais523 12:14, 30 June 2006 (
UTC)
Weak Keep I don't like the page as it is, but the idea behind it is reasonable enough for me to vote keep. There is nothing wrong with guidelines whose absurd titles help reinforce a point, but this one right now seems to be lacking in substance. I'll vote keep and request that we work to clarify what it's supposed to say (which, from what what I gather, is don't go over the top in a content dispute).
joturner12:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment. The page was renamed to
Wikipedia:No climbing the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man; the title at the top of the MfD is now just a redirect. (This, presumably, is why the MfD tag warns against moving the page during the debate.) --
ais523 13:51, 30 June 2006 (
UTC)
Strong Delete Either Wikipedia is a serious project to spread information and knowledge around the world, or it is a failed joke allowing sad, unfunny, tacky MySpace ripoffs like this. There is no need for this rubbish in Wiki at all.
doktorbwordsdeeds17:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Move it to a subpage of BJAODN. Note, move it. Then might as well delete the redirect. For those calling to "delete and move", keep in mind that we have to maintain the edit history for legal reasons.
Bryan23:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Changing my opinion. Considering the existence of the two joke policies in Lubaf's comment below, keep this one too and label it appropriately.
Bryan03:20, 1 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment Surely this article/policy/whatever violates basic policy because it has no encyclopedic content whatever? It adds nothing to existing policy, is in my personal opinion just a sarcastic copy of the existing
WP:POINT rules, and offers evidence to the anti-Wiki groups that the project cannot be trusted as a relaiable, serious source of information?
doktorbwordsdeeds10:00, 1 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment It difuses,tenshions,among users.So,yes,it is improving, wikipedia, by helping to resolve disputes,and in that sence,it is folowing the rules.It can't hurt,thats for sure.Peopol,are not robots,they need to relax,to increase productivity.No i'm not registered,but,please concider this in that point of vue.
Comment The copyvio has now been sorted (at the cost of a small amount of impact). --
ais523 09:46, 4 July 2006 (
UTC)
I was going to comment Delete just to spite JzG because he's such a deletionista and always comments delete on stuff I like but it's a good policy (if you're a policy wonk like me), despite the
WP:BEANS issues it raises, and I think it adds value to the encyclopedia. People that don't get the humor won't get it but that's no reason to delete. As for
WP:ROUGE hands off! KEEP of oourse. ++Lar:
t/
c14:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Delete and move to BJAODN. This definitely does NOT "difuses,tenshions,among users". It creates tension by accusing Wikipedians of performing dangerously stupid stunts. Every place that I've seen it used, it's been used offensively and not in a friendly way.--
M@rēino20:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Due to some confusion from one editor - let me clarify - "troll magnet" does not mean the creator is a troll, nor that anyone/everyone who views or edits (or supports) the article is a troll. It just means that in my view it is an unnessary addition to the encyclopedia which is more likely to cause problems than it is to solve any.
Ian¹³/t13:02, 2 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep It's funny- very funny- but I think it deserves to stay around (as opposed to moving to BJAODN) because it actually does state an important message about WP. --
Kicking22212:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Strong DELETE &mddash; Is this really compatible with being taken seriiously as en encyclopedia? And if this is allowed, why can't everyone have their own humor entry? Additional opinion: It's not funny. It's sophomoric. --
Tenebrae15:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep; leave it alone. It punctures a different form of wiki-pomposity than any other humor page I've seen. It will probably be cited in debates, and better than having the same point done badly at length.
Septentrionalis13:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment So if I want to put across a point in a discussion, do I refer to
WP:POINT or this one, which is essentially the same thing written in heavy sarcasm? Keeping this kind of article muddies the waters.
doktorbwordsdeeds13:33, 3 July 2006 (UTC)reply
That's easy to answer, if the situation calls for a formal response send folks to
WP:POINT if a less formal more "ice-breaking" response is called for send them to
WP:NCTRDAS (or both optimally).
Netscott14:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)reply
And I read this as specifically directed at needless policy, which often does not fall into the quite narrow range of
WP:POINT; a policy proposal can be
WP:SPIDER and still represent concerns genuinely held by the proposers.
Septentrionalis15:40, 3 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep. The point is made humorously, but there is a real need to lighten up on Wikipedia, and I think this expresses it well. Maybe I am just sick of disputes' escalating until neither side can see good faith in the other.
Robert A.West (
Talk)
17:00, 3 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Keep. Yes, WP isn't for the funny, but I see this kinda page as an Easter Egg - it's extremely unlikely to be seen by the majority of users, but the few who do will have a good laugh then move on.
Satan's Rubber Duck01:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.