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The result of the discussion was delete all. Salvio Let's talk about it! 18:04, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Cieluza
New Wikipedia club with only one member, from an editor with other questionable pages up for deletion. Unnecessary and possibly WP:POINTy. MikeWazowski ( talk) 16:49, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
I am also nominating the following related pages for similar reasons: MikeWazowski ( talk) 17:06, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Category:Cieluza Policy ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Template:Cieluza policy ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- LUZA! ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Wikipedia:Cieluza/What Cieluza is not ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Wikipedia:Cieluza/leadership ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Wikipedia:LUZA ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Cieluzans ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Wikipedia:Cieluza/projects for creation ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Cieluza ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Wikipedia:Cieluza/list of members ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- This is hostile. I am trying to create a page to help people. It is literally brand new. Not even kidding, it's like 20 minutes old. How would it have other members? And besides, my work in other areas is not related to the validity of this. --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright Chat Me Up 17:01, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Guys, for real, I'm serious. I'm not trying to make a point, I'm not trying to cause trouble, I'm just trying to help. "other questionable pages" have been moved to my userspace and I don't believe unnecessary is an MfD criterion. Please do not do this to my new organization. --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright Chat Me Up 17:08, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- It's a wikipedia organization. All it is is part of wikipedia. --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright Chat Me Up 17:18, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Like WP:FUN! --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright Chat Me Up 17:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete all. I don't see where this new club/movement creates any benefit to other Wikipedians. Looking at the editor's other contributions, I don't see a lot of constructive edits to the mainspace. If this were a side project, it might have a place on Wikipedia (though possible in his user space rather than WP: space right now). However, it looks like all his edits are along these lines. It raises the question of whether he's using WP to social network rather than to build an encyclopedia, and for that reason as well, the page should be deleted. —
C.Fred (
talk) 17:09, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- This isn't about me. It's about making wikipedia a better place. Issues with me are not relevant here. --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright Chat Me Up 17:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep Please I swear by the name of everyone I know I have no ulterior motives. I have made lots of typo fixes and constructive edits to the main space. Just look at my Edit count for Bowser423 Edit page thing. Begging you not to do this! BEGGING! --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright Chat Me Up 17:15, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep-ish - I think that nominating this 50 MINUTES after it was created wasn't the best idea; the nominator's statement that there is only one member is idiotic, as the project is brand new. However, a good chunk of the pages aren't necessary, such as Category:Cieluza Policy, Template:Cieluza policy, LUZA!, Wikipedia:Cieluza/leadership, Wikipedia:LUZA, Category:Cieluza, Category:Cieluzans, and should be deleted, in my opinion. However, I don't think that the rest should be deleted, or kept in the mainspace; moving this to Bowser423's userspace to give it a chance to grow couldn't hurt anything. If nothing happens with it, it could then be deleted. ~~ Hi878 (Come shout at me!) 17:28, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- user-fy the "project" pages, AND Delete the pages from the "category" and "template" namespaces - let the effort develop in user-space. If others join, it can develop into a full WikiProject at a later time. To me, this one appears mostly redundant to existing WikiProjects, but if it can develop a niche to distinguish itself from other projects, it may eventually develop a following and become a WikiProject of its own later. --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 17:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
*On what grounds... ...was What Cieluza is not speedied without consensus? NVM. mistake was undone.
--Bowser the Storm Tracker
Keeping the skies bright
Chat Me Up 18:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete. There is absolutely no reason for these pages to exist. "Fun" is not a good enough reason. ...
discospinster
talk 18:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- I didn't say fun I said the group is a wikipedia group like fun is. --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright Chat Me Up 18:26, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete all - per nom & C. Fred. Of course, the user is always free to create subpages under their own User page. -- Noleander ( talk) 22:09, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete all, obviously using Wikipedia as a social network. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Otters want attention) 23:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete all While boldness is good, creating all these pages is too bold. There has to be a community benefit for pages to exist in the Wikipedia namespace (or in other namespaces, for that matter). We are here to build the encyclopedia, not to create unclear essays. Johnuniq ( talk) 00:31, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete all. Creating a better Wikipedia is a fine idea--start with the mainspace articles. Drmies ( talk) 00:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Doing some research shows that we had something like this. It was called
WP:Esperanza, and that was lost to MFD because it just didn't work. This is probably in good faith, but utterly useless. Delete all.
Strange Passerby (
talk •
cont) 02:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- I just looked at that and it lost MfD because it was
What Cieluza is not. There was overhierarchialism (slightly), control by leadership (off-site), bureaucracy (debatably), it was exclusive (in the ESP barnstar), and many other things that Cieluza is not.
--Bowser the Storm Tracker
Keeping the skies bright
Chat Me Up 13:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- And actually, looking back at that stuff I would say that wikipedia has gone comparatively dark since the ESP days. Wikipedia is not a job. There should be fun involved. If users wanted to subject themselves to typing nothing but factual information and debating all day, they would work a paid encyclopedia job and go into politics. I would have voted extreme keep on ESP. If there is no fun, there is no WP. It is as simple as that. In fact, ESP's name meant hope. The community !voted to delete hope. Symbolic much? --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright Chat Me Up 16:57, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- I just looked at that and it lost MfD because it was
What Cieluza is not. There was overhierarchialism (slightly), control by leadership (off-site), bureaucracy (debatably), it was exclusive (in the ESP barnstar), and many other things that Cieluza is not.
--Bowser the Storm Tracker
Keeping the skies bright
Chat Me Up 13:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete all. The creator's heart is in the right place, they just went about it the wrong way. Fortdj33 ( talk) 13:46, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete all - Something like this should be brought up at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) first, in my opinion. Jasper Deng (talk) 18:46, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
KEEP ALL- "useless" and "unnecessary" are both WP:DONTLIKE answers. Therefore MikeWazowski, C.fred, disco, Inks.LWC, Noleander, Bentogoa, and Strange Passerby are all invalid reasons here. That is 7/10 delete-all'ers are invalid. That leaves 1 keep-ish, 1 userfy, 3 delete alls, and 1 keep. General consensus of valid reasons is, there is none. 3 think the content should remain and 3 think otherwise. --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping skies bright Chat Me Up 05:23, 30 July 2011 (UTC)- Comment - also, WP:DONTLIKE is an essay, so it really has zero effect toward making anybody's reasons "invalid". Inks.LWC ( talk) 06:25, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - Not a good choice of name. "Luza" sounds too much like "loser" to my ears (especially if pronounced with a non-rhotic accent). -- NetRolller 3D 03:35, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Delete: Shearonink ( talk) 04:40, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result of the discussion was delete all. Salvio Let's talk about it! 18:04, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Cieluza
New Wikipedia club with only one member, from an editor with other questionable pages up for deletion. Unnecessary and possibly WP:POINTy. MikeWazowski ( talk) 16:49, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
I am also nominating the following related pages for similar reasons: MikeWazowski ( talk) 17:06, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Category:Cieluza Policy ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Template:Cieluza policy ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- LUZA! ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Wikipedia:Cieluza/What Cieluza is not ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Wikipedia:Cieluza/leadership ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Wikipedia:LUZA ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Cieluzans ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Wikipedia:Cieluza/projects for creation ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Cieluza ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Wikipedia:Cieluza/list of members ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- This is hostile. I am trying to create a page to help people. It is literally brand new. Not even kidding, it's like 20 minutes old. How would it have other members? And besides, my work in other areas is not related to the validity of this. --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright Chat Me Up 17:01, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Guys, for real, I'm serious. I'm not trying to make a point, I'm not trying to cause trouble, I'm just trying to help. "other questionable pages" have been moved to my userspace and I don't believe unnecessary is an MfD criterion. Please do not do this to my new organization. --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright Chat Me Up 17:08, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- It's a wikipedia organization. All it is is part of wikipedia. --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright Chat Me Up 17:18, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Like WP:FUN! --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright Chat Me Up 17:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete all. I don't see where this new club/movement creates any benefit to other Wikipedians. Looking at the editor's other contributions, I don't see a lot of constructive edits to the mainspace. If this were a side project, it might have a place on Wikipedia (though possible in his user space rather than WP: space right now). However, it looks like all his edits are along these lines. It raises the question of whether he's using WP to social network rather than to build an encyclopedia, and for that reason as well, the page should be deleted. —
C.Fred (
talk) 17:09, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- This isn't about me. It's about making wikipedia a better place. Issues with me are not relevant here. --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright Chat Me Up 17:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep Please I swear by the name of everyone I know I have no ulterior motives. I have made lots of typo fixes and constructive edits to the main space. Just look at my Edit count for Bowser423 Edit page thing. Begging you not to do this! BEGGING! --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright Chat Me Up 17:15, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Keep-ish - I think that nominating this 50 MINUTES after it was created wasn't the best idea; the nominator's statement that there is only one member is idiotic, as the project is brand new. However, a good chunk of the pages aren't necessary, such as Category:Cieluza Policy, Template:Cieluza policy, LUZA!, Wikipedia:Cieluza/leadership, Wikipedia:LUZA, Category:Cieluza, Category:Cieluzans, and should be deleted, in my opinion. However, I don't think that the rest should be deleted, or kept in the mainspace; moving this to Bowser423's userspace to give it a chance to grow couldn't hurt anything. If nothing happens with it, it could then be deleted. ~~ Hi878 (Come shout at me!) 17:28, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- user-fy the "project" pages, AND Delete the pages from the "category" and "template" namespaces - let the effort develop in user-space. If others join, it can develop into a full WikiProject at a later time. To me, this one appears mostly redundant to existing WikiProjects, but if it can develop a niche to distinguish itself from other projects, it may eventually develop a following and become a WikiProject of its own later. --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 17:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
*On what grounds... ...was What Cieluza is not speedied without consensus? NVM. mistake was undone.
--Bowser the Storm Tracker
Keeping the skies bright
Chat Me Up 18:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete. There is absolutely no reason for these pages to exist. "Fun" is not a good enough reason. ...
discospinster
talk 18:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- I didn't say fun I said the group is a wikipedia group like fun is. --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright Chat Me Up 18:26, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete all - per nom & C. Fred. Of course, the user is always free to create subpages under their own User page. -- Noleander ( talk) 22:09, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete all, obviously using Wikipedia as a social network. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Otters want attention) 23:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete all While boldness is good, creating all these pages is too bold. There has to be a community benefit for pages to exist in the Wikipedia namespace (or in other namespaces, for that matter). We are here to build the encyclopedia, not to create unclear essays. Johnuniq ( talk) 00:31, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete all. Creating a better Wikipedia is a fine idea--start with the mainspace articles. Drmies ( talk) 00:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Doing some research shows that we had something like this. It was called
WP:Esperanza, and that was lost to MFD because it just didn't work. This is probably in good faith, but utterly useless. Delete all.
Strange Passerby (
talk •
cont) 02:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- I just looked at that and it lost MfD because it was
What Cieluza is not. There was overhierarchialism (slightly), control by leadership (off-site), bureaucracy (debatably), it was exclusive (in the ESP barnstar), and many other things that Cieluza is not.
--Bowser the Storm Tracker
Keeping the skies bright
Chat Me Up 13:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- And actually, looking back at that stuff I would say that wikipedia has gone comparatively dark since the ESP days. Wikipedia is not a job. There should be fun involved. If users wanted to subject themselves to typing nothing but factual information and debating all day, they would work a paid encyclopedia job and go into politics. I would have voted extreme keep on ESP. If there is no fun, there is no WP. It is as simple as that. In fact, ESP's name meant hope. The community !voted to delete hope. Symbolic much? --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright Chat Me Up 16:57, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- I just looked at that and it lost MfD because it was
What Cieluza is not. There was overhierarchialism (slightly), control by leadership (off-site), bureaucracy (debatably), it was exclusive (in the ESP barnstar), and many other things that Cieluza is not.
--Bowser the Storm Tracker
Keeping the skies bright
Chat Me Up 13:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete all. The creator's heart is in the right place, they just went about it the wrong way. Fortdj33 ( talk) 13:46, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Delete all - Something like this should be brought up at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) first, in my opinion. Jasper Deng (talk) 18:46, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
KEEP ALL- "useless" and "unnecessary" are both WP:DONTLIKE answers. Therefore MikeWazowski, C.fred, disco, Inks.LWC, Noleander, Bentogoa, and Strange Passerby are all invalid reasons here. That is 7/10 delete-all'ers are invalid. That leaves 1 keep-ish, 1 userfy, 3 delete alls, and 1 keep. General consensus of valid reasons is, there is none. 3 think the content should remain and 3 think otherwise. --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping skies bright Chat Me Up 05:23, 30 July 2011 (UTC)- Comment - also, WP:DONTLIKE is an essay, so it really has zero effect toward making anybody's reasons "invalid". Inks.LWC ( talk) 06:25, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - Not a good choice of name. "Luza" sounds too much like "loser" to my ears (especially if pronounced with a non-rhotic accent). -- NetRolller 3D 03:35, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Delete: Shearonink ( talk) 04:40, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
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