- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was Page kept. Consensus is that this (indeed, superfluous) individual setup isn't causing any harm or confusion. El_C 11:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Just a copy of the Wikipedia Welcoming Comittee. There isn't any need for this. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 12:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- Note This was nominated for deletion before User:LAAFan was renamed. Look at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Fan/Wikipedia Welcome Squad. Thank you. -- RyRy ( talk) 12:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- Keep Since I'm the creator of the page, I'm not sure my !vote will mean much, but I believe the Squad should be a keep. While the page itself needs to be renovated, I am actively trying to get new members. (Two see my welcomes, go to the talk page of the bottom four or so's talk pages). After enough members sign up, I would work on the page. When the first MFD took place, and users wanted the name to be changed, I didn't know exactly how to do that. I do now, though. If users still do want a name change, how about Welcome Cabal. Other suggestions are welcome. The squad's goal is to welcome actively, something which, again, I haven't kept track of. However, I do believe, with a little push, members can welcome actively. I have already given a barnstar to Le Grand Roi Coutrilles (Sorry if I spelled it wrong) for welcoming. Thanks for comments in advance.-- LAA Fan 16:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- Keep If a user wants to take a different approach to welcoming users in their own userspace, even if it's just slightly different, and it's not being problematic, then there's no reason to delete. Sometimes this is how we get new ideas for the main project space counterparts. --
Ned Scott
04:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
- But there is already a main project counterpart. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 15:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
- Keep If this Squad could welcome only one person that wouldn't normally be welcomed, then I'd say that merits being kept. If this were projectspace, it would be different. But it's userspace, it's helpful, and it should be kept. Mastrchf ( t/ c) 05:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Strong Delete Since when do we need another welcoming committee? And a "tournament"? I mean, welcoming users is fine, but we're building an encyclopedia here. Shapiros10 contact me My work 11:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Shapiros, I can understand your reasons for delete. The page itself hasn't been updated; I'll give you that. The tournament thing I added when I was brand new to Wikipedia. I'm going to go remove that. As for a "copy" of the committee, I guess I can't really help that. What if I start to develop a renovation of the page?--
LAA
Fan
15:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Although I might change to merge...and the goal of welcoming every user is a bit obsessive.
Shapiros10
contact me
My work
19:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Again, I made all of those comments when I was brand new. It really does need an update.....--
LAA
Fan
20:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Although, since the focus here is building an encyclopedia, there really doesn't need to be multiple welcoming committees.
Shapiros10
contact me
My work
20:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Shapiros, this is what Jimbo said "Anything that builds a spirit of friendliness and co-operation and helps people get to know each other as human beings seems to me a good thing" [1] This page is exactly what it does, and I see no problem with that. -- RyRy ( talk) 21:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Although, since the focus here is building an encyclopedia, there really doesn't need to be multiple welcoming committees.
Shapiros10
contact me
My work
20:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Again, I made all of those comments when I was brand new. It really does need an update.....--
LAA
Fan
20:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Although I might change to merge...and the goal of welcoming every user is a bit obsessive.
Shapiros10
contact me
My work
19:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
<-- I must ask, why is welcoming every user "a bit obsessive"? I'd really hate for every user that joins Wikipedia to be knowledgeable on how the project works and have someone they could go to with a question.... I realize that sounds rude, but why shouldn't we strive for perfection? Why shouldn't we welcome every user? Mastrchf ( t/ c) 17:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
- Keep per my reason(s) below. -- RyRy ( talk) 21:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Comment Ryan, I hate to disagree with you, but esperanza met those exact criterion. There's alreayd a WP:WC. Shapiros10 contact me My work 21:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Why delete something that works? There are more important things to spend our time on than deleting something like this. - Diligent Terrier (and friends) 00:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- Comment repeat. Building an encyclopedia is more important that having multiple programs for welcoming users. Shapiros10 contact me My work 00:12, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- So I guess it would be better for every user that this program would've welcomed to go out into the encyclopedia inexperienced, without direction, and with questions. I understand that we come to build an encyclopedia, but there is no way we can build such a momentous project without interaction, discussion, and through both, learning. Welcoming helps inform a new user, it helps he or she learn about the encyclopedia, and it gives he or she someone who is happy to answer a question. For every new user that comes to the project and is welcomed, I am sure that there are ten more that aren't welcomed. I echo my earlier comments, If this Squad could welcome only one person that wouldn't normally be welcomed, then I'd say that merits being kept.
Mastrchf (
t/
c)
00:26, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- Mastrchf, not my point. There doesn't need to me multiple programs for welcoming users. There's already a
WP:WC. i mean, we don't have duplicate copies of WikiProjects, do we?
Shapiros10
contact me
My work
01:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- You still haven't stated why it is detrimental to the project to have multiple programs. It's not as if this program is detracting from the other.
Mastrchf (
t/
c)
04:54, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- I never said it was detrimental. I'm just saying that it's not needed. Shapiros10 contact me My work 20:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- You still haven't stated why it is detrimental to the project to have multiple programs. It's not as if this program is detracting from the other.
Mastrchf (
t/
c)
04:54, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- Mastrchf, not my point. There doesn't need to me multiple programs for welcoming users. There's already a
WP:WC. i mean, we don't have duplicate copies of WikiProjects, do we?
Shapiros10
contact me
My work
01:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was Page kept. Consensus is that this (indeed, superfluous) individual setup isn't causing any harm or confusion. El_C 11:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Just a copy of the Wikipedia Welcoming Comittee. There isn't any need for this. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 12:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- Note This was nominated for deletion before User:LAAFan was renamed. Look at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim Fan/Wikipedia Welcome Squad. Thank you. -- RyRy ( talk) 12:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- Keep Since I'm the creator of the page, I'm not sure my !vote will mean much, but I believe the Squad should be a keep. While the page itself needs to be renovated, I am actively trying to get new members. (Two see my welcomes, go to the talk page of the bottom four or so's talk pages). After enough members sign up, I would work on the page. When the first MFD took place, and users wanted the name to be changed, I didn't know exactly how to do that. I do now, though. If users still do want a name change, how about Welcome Cabal. Other suggestions are welcome. The squad's goal is to welcome actively, something which, again, I haven't kept track of. However, I do believe, with a little push, members can welcome actively. I have already given a barnstar to Le Grand Roi Coutrilles (Sorry if I spelled it wrong) for welcoming. Thanks for comments in advance.-- LAA Fan 16:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- Keep If a user wants to take a different approach to welcoming users in their own userspace, even if it's just slightly different, and it's not being problematic, then there's no reason to delete. Sometimes this is how we get new ideas for the main project space counterparts. --
Ned Scott
04:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
- But there is already a main project counterpart. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 15:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
- Keep If this Squad could welcome only one person that wouldn't normally be welcomed, then I'd say that merits being kept. If this were projectspace, it would be different. But it's userspace, it's helpful, and it should be kept. Mastrchf ( t/ c) 05:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Strong Delete Since when do we need another welcoming committee? And a "tournament"? I mean, welcoming users is fine, but we're building an encyclopedia here. Shapiros10 contact me My work 11:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Shapiros, I can understand your reasons for delete. The page itself hasn't been updated; I'll give you that. The tournament thing I added when I was brand new to Wikipedia. I'm going to go remove that. As for a "copy" of the committee, I guess I can't really help that. What if I start to develop a renovation of the page?--
LAA
Fan
15:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Although I might change to merge...and the goal of welcoming every user is a bit obsessive.
Shapiros10
contact me
My work
19:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Again, I made all of those comments when I was brand new. It really does need an update.....--
LAA
Fan
20:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Although, since the focus here is building an encyclopedia, there really doesn't need to be multiple welcoming committees.
Shapiros10
contact me
My work
20:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Shapiros, this is what Jimbo said "Anything that builds a spirit of friendliness and co-operation and helps people get to know each other as human beings seems to me a good thing" [1] This page is exactly what it does, and I see no problem with that. -- RyRy ( talk) 21:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Although, since the focus here is building an encyclopedia, there really doesn't need to be multiple welcoming committees.
Shapiros10
contact me
My work
20:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Again, I made all of those comments when I was brand new. It really does need an update.....--
LAA
Fan
20:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Although I might change to merge...and the goal of welcoming every user is a bit obsessive.
Shapiros10
contact me
My work
19:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
<-- I must ask, why is welcoming every user "a bit obsessive"? I'd really hate for every user that joins Wikipedia to be knowledgeable on how the project works and have someone they could go to with a question.... I realize that sounds rude, but why shouldn't we strive for perfection? Why shouldn't we welcome every user? Mastrchf ( t/ c) 17:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
- Keep per my reason(s) below. -- RyRy ( talk) 21:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Comment Ryan, I hate to disagree with you, but esperanza met those exact criterion. There's alreayd a WP:WC. Shapiros10 contact me My work 21:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Why delete something that works? There are more important things to spend our time on than deleting something like this. - Diligent Terrier (and friends) 00:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- Comment repeat. Building an encyclopedia is more important that having multiple programs for welcoming users. Shapiros10 contact me My work 00:12, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- So I guess it would be better for every user that this program would've welcomed to go out into the encyclopedia inexperienced, without direction, and with questions. I understand that we come to build an encyclopedia, but there is no way we can build such a momentous project without interaction, discussion, and through both, learning. Welcoming helps inform a new user, it helps he or she learn about the encyclopedia, and it gives he or she someone who is happy to answer a question. For every new user that comes to the project and is welcomed, I am sure that there are ten more that aren't welcomed. I echo my earlier comments, If this Squad could welcome only one person that wouldn't normally be welcomed, then I'd say that merits being kept.
Mastrchf (
t/
c)
00:26, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- Mastrchf, not my point. There doesn't need to me multiple programs for welcoming users. There's already a
WP:WC. i mean, we don't have duplicate copies of WikiProjects, do we?
Shapiros10
contact me
My work
01:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- You still haven't stated why it is detrimental to the project to have multiple programs. It's not as if this program is detracting from the other.
Mastrchf (
t/
c)
04:54, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- I never said it was detrimental. I'm just saying that it's not needed. Shapiros10 contact me My work 20:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- You still haven't stated why it is detrimental to the project to have multiple programs. It's not as if this program is detracting from the other.
Mastrchf (
t/
c)
04:54, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- Mastrchf, not my point. There doesn't need to me multiple programs for welcoming users. There's already a
WP:WC. i mean, we don't have duplicate copies of WikiProjects, do we?
Shapiros10
contact me
My work
01:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.