- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: keep. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 08:11, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
WP:UBCR violation, inflammatory — csc -1 23:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, I'm genuinely curious as to what's uncivil about that userbox. I've created userboxes for every recent Zimbabwean head of state, all of whom are controversial (Smith, Mugabe, and Mnangagwa). See User:Katangais/Userboxes/Mugabe support for my Mugabe userbox, and User:Katangais/Userboxes/EM presidency support for my Mnangagwa one.
- Some of these userboxes express support for these historical figures, others opposition. This is no different than the scores of userboxes we have floating around allowing Wikipedians to demonstrate their opposition to, or support for, polarizing politicians in the US such as Donald Trump and Barack Obama. I'm more than happy to alter the language of the userbox to something more neutral and objective sounding (ie "This user supported the premiership of Ian Smith") if it's simply the wording that's contentious. --
Katangais
(talk)
00:50, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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Katangais I nominated it since support/"nostalgia" for
Ian Smith/
Rhodesia is associated with alt-right/white supremacist movements, and since the phrasing "did nothing wrong" is typically used in an inflammatory manner (e.g. "[Hitler/Stalin] did nothing wrong"). —
csc
-1
02:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hey Arccosecant. As mentioned, I'm more than happy to change the wording of the text to make it less controversial. However, we cannot simply nominate every single userbox involving a controversial figure for deletion simply because some find it unpleasant. I noticed you refrained from nominating my Mugabe userbox for deletion on the same grounds (presumably because the wording there was more neutral) despite the fact the latter is associated with Gukurahundi and blatant political oppression in many circles. Surely we can work something similar out for this one.
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Katangais I nominated it since support/"nostalgia" for
Ian Smith/
Rhodesia is associated with alt-right/white supremacist movements, and since the phrasing "did nothing wrong" is typically used in an inflammatory manner (e.g. "[Hitler/Stalin] did nothing wrong"). —
csc
-1
02:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- I was not aware that support for Smith was perceived as a totem for white supremacy today, but regardless, nominating a userbox for deletion simply on the grounds that some white supremacists and right-wingers happen to like this individual is a rather slippery slope. If that was your reasoning, I suggest you nominate every single userbox expressing support for Donald Trump for deletion as well. -- Katangais (talk) 02:45, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Keep. I did not like Snith and I am glad he is long gone, but there is no good reason to delete. I agree with the comment above. -- Bduke ( talk) 07:13, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep From an outside point of view I have no idea what this guy did or didn't do right. Supporting someone is a broad concept that makes me want to keep this. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 23:15, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: keep. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 08:11, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
WP:UBCR violation, inflammatory — csc -1 23:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, I'm genuinely curious as to what's uncivil about that userbox. I've created userboxes for every recent Zimbabwean head of state, all of whom are controversial (Smith, Mugabe, and Mnangagwa). See User:Katangais/Userboxes/Mugabe support for my Mugabe userbox, and User:Katangais/Userboxes/EM presidency support for my Mnangagwa one.
- Some of these userboxes express support for these historical figures, others opposition. This is no different than the scores of userboxes we have floating around allowing Wikipedians to demonstrate their opposition to, or support for, polarizing politicians in the US such as Donald Trump and Barack Obama. I'm more than happy to alter the language of the userbox to something more neutral and objective sounding (ie "This user supported the premiership of Ian Smith") if it's simply the wording that's contentious. --
Katangais
(talk)
00:50, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
-
Katangais I nominated it since support/"nostalgia" for
Ian Smith/
Rhodesia is associated with alt-right/white supremacist movements, and since the phrasing "did nothing wrong" is typically used in an inflammatory manner (e.g. "[Hitler/Stalin] did nothing wrong"). —
csc
-1
02:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hey Arccosecant. As mentioned, I'm more than happy to change the wording of the text to make it less controversial. However, we cannot simply nominate every single userbox involving a controversial figure for deletion simply because some find it unpleasant. I noticed you refrained from nominating my Mugabe userbox for deletion on the same grounds (presumably because the wording there was more neutral) despite the fact the latter is associated with Gukurahundi and blatant political oppression in many circles. Surely we can work something similar out for this one.
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Katangais I nominated it since support/"nostalgia" for
Ian Smith/
Rhodesia is associated with alt-right/white supremacist movements, and since the phrasing "did nothing wrong" is typically used in an inflammatory manner (e.g. "[Hitler/Stalin] did nothing wrong"). —
csc
-1
02:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- I was not aware that support for Smith was perceived as a totem for white supremacy today, but regardless, nominating a userbox for deletion simply on the grounds that some white supremacists and right-wingers happen to like this individual is a rather slippery slope. If that was your reasoning, I suggest you nominate every single userbox expressing support for Donald Trump for deletion as well. -- Katangais (talk) 02:45, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Keep. I did not like Snith and I am glad he is long gone, but there is no good reason to delete. I agree with the comment above. -- Bduke ( talk) 07:13, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep From an outside point of view I have no idea what this guy did or didn't do right. Supporting someone is a broad concept that makes me want to keep this. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 23:15, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.