- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: keep. ✗ plicit 04:31, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
User:JimmyPiersall
Although names are not mentioned this user page is one long rant about how they hate Wikipedia and how terrible it is, both the people who choose to spend their time editing it as well as Wikipedia policies. Delete per WP:POLEMIC Liz Read! Talk! 03:36, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Keep, mainly because deleting this rant would lend credibility to his rant that basement elites are engaged in censorship of Wikipedia. Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: WP:POLEMIC, “ statements unrelated to Wikipedia”, does not apply. It is directly about Wikipedia, in the User’s opinion. Disgruntled users’ parting statements are not deleted. To do so would be censorship of criticism, which is far worse than criticism itself even when wrong. The user’s participants criticism, if taken seriously by a user who chooses to read his Userpage, are to be taken in the light of the user’s contributions, all of which are free to read, without censorship. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 13:35, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete On WP:USER, it states "User pages are pages for organizing the work users do on Wikipedia, as well as speaking to other users." If he was stating something like "I think Wikipedia is bad, here are ways I am trying to fix it", that would fit into the "organizing the work" part. But it's just opinions, and the childish userboxes only amplify that. He can transpose this to a personal blog. Royal Autumn Crest ( talk) 16:39, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep largely per SmokeyJoe, userspace rants railing against the project are common and accepted, they're largely pointless but we don't delete userpages as a result of them. Variants of Wikipedia is biased/terrible/run by an evil cabal etc. got old a long time ago, but we've long allowed leeway for them, ever read the retirement notice of someone who departed on bitter terms? I'd advise against having stuff like that on your userpage, but if someone refuses to remove it the issue is best dropped, if for no other reason than starting MFDs or ANIs massively increases the number of people who see the remarks (cf. Streisand effect). Perhaps the project would be better off with tighter and more clear userspace guidelines, but that's best done through a centralised rfc, not by nominating one arbitrary userpage for deletion. Regards, 213.193.27.121 ( talk) 19:50, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per
WP:UPYES:
What may I have in my user pages? ... thoughts on Wikipedia articles or policies and how they should be changed, etc. ... Non-article Wikipedia material such as reasonable Wikipedia humor, essays and perspectives, personal philosophy, [&] comments on Wikipedia matters.
I disagree significantly with much of the sentiment and do not care for the style in which it is written. However, I do not think it crosses the line (though I suppose one could argue that it nears the line). — Godsy ( TALK CONT) 01:48, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: keep. ✗ plicit 04:31, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
User:JimmyPiersall
Although names are not mentioned this user page is one long rant about how they hate Wikipedia and how terrible it is, both the people who choose to spend their time editing it as well as Wikipedia policies. Delete per WP:POLEMIC Liz Read! Talk! 03:36, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Keep, mainly because deleting this rant would lend credibility to his rant that basement elites are engaged in censorship of Wikipedia. Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: WP:POLEMIC, “ statements unrelated to Wikipedia”, does not apply. It is directly about Wikipedia, in the User’s opinion. Disgruntled users’ parting statements are not deleted. To do so would be censorship of criticism, which is far worse than criticism itself even when wrong. The user’s participants criticism, if taken seriously by a user who chooses to read his Userpage, are to be taken in the light of the user’s contributions, all of which are free to read, without censorship. SmokeyJoe ( talk) 13:35, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete On WP:USER, it states "User pages are pages for organizing the work users do on Wikipedia, as well as speaking to other users." If he was stating something like "I think Wikipedia is bad, here are ways I am trying to fix it", that would fit into the "organizing the work" part. But it's just opinions, and the childish userboxes only amplify that. He can transpose this to a personal blog. Royal Autumn Crest ( talk) 16:39, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep largely per SmokeyJoe, userspace rants railing against the project are common and accepted, they're largely pointless but we don't delete userpages as a result of them. Variants of Wikipedia is biased/terrible/run by an evil cabal etc. got old a long time ago, but we've long allowed leeway for them, ever read the retirement notice of someone who departed on bitter terms? I'd advise against having stuff like that on your userpage, but if someone refuses to remove it the issue is best dropped, if for no other reason than starting MFDs or ANIs massively increases the number of people who see the remarks (cf. Streisand effect). Perhaps the project would be better off with tighter and more clear userspace guidelines, but that's best done through a centralised rfc, not by nominating one arbitrary userpage for deletion. Regards, 213.193.27.121 ( talk) 19:50, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per
WP:UPYES:
What may I have in my user pages? ... thoughts on Wikipedia articles or policies and how they should be changed, etc. ... Non-article Wikipedia material such as reasonable Wikipedia humor, essays and perspectives, personal philosophy, [&] comments on Wikipedia matters.
I disagree significantly with much of the sentiment and do not care for the style in which it is written. However, I do not think it crosses the line (though I suppose one could argue that it nears the line). — Godsy ( TALK CONT) 01:48, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.