- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: delete. What if we didn't have userboxes that supported genocidal dictatorships, that would be nice. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 00:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
User:Поль Крол Злой Диктатор/Userboxes/Famine
- User:Поль Крол Злой Диктатор/Userboxes/Famine ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User:Поль Крол Злой Диктатор/Userboxes/Repressions ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User:Поль Крол Злой Диктатор/Userboxes/Repressions2 ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Not sure why should we have genocide apologist userboxes on this project. We wouldn't allow it with the Holocaust or the Armenian genocide and we shouldn't allow it with the Holodomor and the Kazakh genocide. Super Ψ Dro 10:18, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
I would also endorse the deletion of these three userboxes, on the basis of them being, in essence, Kremlin propaganda from an older age! " Kulak sabotage" (taken from the famine userbox) and " Real enemies of Soviet power" (from the first Repressions userbox) seem very much like phrases taken out of Pravda. This isn't even mentioning how most sources (including, ironically, our own articles about the Soviet famine of 1930–1933 and the Great Terror) contradict both points!
The first box alleges that the famine was not planned, yet our article mentions Stalin's orders to "liquidate" a certain class in the USSR. Meanwhile, the second and third ones talks of the Great Purge eliminating "real enemies to Soviet power", yet the first sentence of the article calls it " Soviet General Secretary Joseph Stalin's campaign to solidify his power over the party and nation". The implications are that the Great Purge is not about " Soviet power" or " public control", but merely the transfer of power from the few to the one.
I would therefore advise Wikipedia to delete these userboxes. We'll show them who the "real enemies of Soviet power" are! SleepTrain456 ( talk) 23:01, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Anyone who puts these userboxes on their user page deserves to be immediately topic banned from anything relating to 20th century history. Wikipedia is not a place to "right great wrongs", especially if their idea of "righting wrongs" is denying and defending genocides. Vanilla Wizard 💙 23:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per
WP:UBCR
Userboxes must not be inflammatory or substantially divisive
andWikipedia is not an appropriate place for: Propaganda, advocacy, or recruitment of any kind (commercial, political, religious, or otherwise)
– Muboshgu ( talk) 17:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: delete. What if we didn't have userboxes that supported genocidal dictatorships, that would be nice. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 00:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
User:Поль Крол Злой Диктатор/Userboxes/Famine
- User:Поль Крол Злой Диктатор/Userboxes/Famine ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User:Поль Крол Злой Диктатор/Userboxes/Repressions ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User:Поль Крол Злой Диктатор/Userboxes/Repressions2 ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Not sure why should we have genocide apologist userboxes on this project. We wouldn't allow it with the Holocaust or the Armenian genocide and we shouldn't allow it with the Holodomor and the Kazakh genocide. Super Ψ Dro 10:18, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
I would also endorse the deletion of these three userboxes, on the basis of them being, in essence, Kremlin propaganda from an older age! " Kulak sabotage" (taken from the famine userbox) and " Real enemies of Soviet power" (from the first Repressions userbox) seem very much like phrases taken out of Pravda. This isn't even mentioning how most sources (including, ironically, our own articles about the Soviet famine of 1930–1933 and the Great Terror) contradict both points!
The first box alleges that the famine was not planned, yet our article mentions Stalin's orders to "liquidate" a certain class in the USSR. Meanwhile, the second and third ones talks of the Great Purge eliminating "real enemies to Soviet power", yet the first sentence of the article calls it " Soviet General Secretary Joseph Stalin's campaign to solidify his power over the party and nation". The implications are that the Great Purge is not about " Soviet power" or " public control", but merely the transfer of power from the few to the one.
I would therefore advise Wikipedia to delete these userboxes. We'll show them who the "real enemies of Soviet power" are! SleepTrain456 ( talk) 23:01, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Anyone who puts these userboxes on their user page deserves to be immediately topic banned from anything relating to 20th century history. Wikipedia is not a place to "right great wrongs", especially if their idea of "righting wrongs" is denying and defending genocides. Vanilla Wizard 💙 23:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per
WP:UBCR
Userboxes must not be inflammatory or substantially divisive
andWikipedia is not an appropriate place for: Propaganda, advocacy, or recruitment of any kind (commercial, political, religious, or otherwise)
– Muboshgu ( talk) 17:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.