- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: speedy delete by Floquenbeam. (Courtesy closed because I have the script). GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:12, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
Template:User mgtow
There's been some precedent for deleting userboxes that advertise that a user holds a hateful ideology, or beliefs that are discriminatory towards other editors they may encounter, per WP:UBCR. Some examples of past deletions are an alt-right userbox, a group of alt-right, pro-Hitler, and third position userboxes, a group of userboxes expressing opposition to same-sex marriage, etc.
For those not familiar, MGTOW stands for Men Going Their Own Way and "is an anti-feminist, misogynistic, mostly online community advocating for men to separate themselves from women and from a society which they believe has been destroyed by feminism... Like other manosphere communities, the MGTOW community overlaps with the alt-right and white supremacist movements, and it has been implicated in online harassment of women. The Southern Poverty Law Center categorizes MGTOW as a part of the male supremacist ideology, a category they began tracking on their hate group tracking project, Hate Map, in 2018." GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:22, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Supremacist userbox. We can get rid of this. SK2242 ( talk) 17:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'll admit that our article on MGTOW surprised me, because up until now I'd kind of assumed the group wasn't so much threatening as ... sad. I was going to suggest "keep as a useful warning that the account's edits probably suck", but if this group has actually done stuff in the past that causes anyone to feel threatened, then delete per WP:UBCR Userboxes for groups who's rasion d'être is to discriminate against others are divisive by definition. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 17:52, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as a clear WP:UBCR violation. — csc -1 18:30, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Just because it seems to be supremacist ideology by some article writers doesn't mean it is. Now in humans, just like almost all other mammal species, males are the biologically dominant ones. Does that come under supremacy? Females literally have a smaller brain. But these are just facts and not supremacist opinions.Also incels don't really exist in this modern world,...when women sell themselves for like 50-100 USD for a night.
GorillaWarfare
JNoXK (
talk)
18:47, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Just to be clear... this is you trying to convince us you/MGTOW are not male supremacist? GorillaWarfare (talk) 18:49, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- No, because me myselves am a real member of the MGTOW and we don't promote hate against a certain group of people just because of their sex or gender. We've been trying to convince people that we are just realists. But people think we are just jobless sexists. Our community, contrary to the popular belief, has one of the best men from their own respective localities
JNoXK (
talk)
18:56, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- You could've fooled me. GorillaWarfare (talk) 18:58, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Imagine the even stupider crap JNoXK would say if he didn't have one of those giant male brains. --
Floquenbeam (
talk)
19:04, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Well, it isn't our fault that males are just biologically dominant. Unlike other supremacy ideologies, which is just a cultural construct, this is actually real and something enforced by nature itselves, but not something put forward by males. It's called sexual dimorphism. Cultural Male Supremacy will be something like me telling you that, you are currently using a platform made by a man, on a device made by a man, on the internet made by a man, while living under a roof made by a man and continuing to tell you that you aren't really equal to us, but i don't. MGTOW is just a solitude focused ideology which encourages men to take a break from the society. That's all there to it, everything else is exaggerated by feminist article writers JNoXK ( talk) 19:06, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Deleted I suppose it's a little unfair to prevent other people from having the opportunity to vote "delete" and make fun of JNoXK too, but this MFD is going to turn into a timesink fast. I've speedy deleted the userbox as an unambiguous (after JNoXK's clarification of the ideology) violation of
WP:UBCR (help with closing the MFD will be appreciated, but I can re-read the directions again if no one is around to do that right now). I'm trying to decide whether the comments above are worth an indef block or not. Certainly worth a warning - I will certainly block indef if he says stuff like that again. But I'm probably being weak for not blocking him right now. --
Floquenbeam (
talk)
19:10, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- @ Floquenbeam: Highly recommend Wikipedia:XFDcloser. GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:13, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: speedy delete by Floquenbeam. (Courtesy closed because I have the script). GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:12, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
Template:User mgtow
There's been some precedent for deleting userboxes that advertise that a user holds a hateful ideology, or beliefs that are discriminatory towards other editors they may encounter, per WP:UBCR. Some examples of past deletions are an alt-right userbox, a group of alt-right, pro-Hitler, and third position userboxes, a group of userboxes expressing opposition to same-sex marriage, etc.
For those not familiar, MGTOW stands for Men Going Their Own Way and "is an anti-feminist, misogynistic, mostly online community advocating for men to separate themselves from women and from a society which they believe has been destroyed by feminism... Like other manosphere communities, the MGTOW community overlaps with the alt-right and white supremacist movements, and it has been implicated in online harassment of women. The Southern Poverty Law Center categorizes MGTOW as a part of the male supremacist ideology, a category they began tracking on their hate group tracking project, Hate Map, in 2018." GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:22, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Supremacist userbox. We can get rid of this. SK2242 ( talk) 17:42, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'll admit that our article on MGTOW surprised me, because up until now I'd kind of assumed the group wasn't so much threatening as ... sad. I was going to suggest "keep as a useful warning that the account's edits probably suck", but if this group has actually done stuff in the past that causes anyone to feel threatened, then delete per WP:UBCR Userboxes for groups who's rasion d'être is to discriminate against others are divisive by definition. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 17:52, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as a clear WP:UBCR violation. — csc -1 18:30, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Just because it seems to be supremacist ideology by some article writers doesn't mean it is. Now in humans, just like almost all other mammal species, males are the biologically dominant ones. Does that come under supremacy? Females literally have a smaller brain. But these are just facts and not supremacist opinions.Also incels don't really exist in this modern world,...when women sell themselves for like 50-100 USD for a night.
GorillaWarfare
JNoXK (
talk)
18:47, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Just to be clear... this is you trying to convince us you/MGTOW are not male supremacist? GorillaWarfare (talk) 18:49, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- No, because me myselves am a real member of the MGTOW and we don't promote hate against a certain group of people just because of their sex or gender. We've been trying to convince people that we are just realists. But people think we are just jobless sexists. Our community, contrary to the popular belief, has one of the best men from their own respective localities
JNoXK (
talk)
18:56, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- You could've fooled me. GorillaWarfare (talk) 18:58, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Imagine the even stupider crap JNoXK would say if he didn't have one of those giant male brains. --
Floquenbeam (
talk)
19:04, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Well, it isn't our fault that males are just biologically dominant. Unlike other supremacy ideologies, which is just a cultural construct, this is actually real and something enforced by nature itselves, but not something put forward by males. It's called sexual dimorphism. Cultural Male Supremacy will be something like me telling you that, you are currently using a platform made by a man, on a device made by a man, on the internet made by a man, while living under a roof made by a man and continuing to tell you that you aren't really equal to us, but i don't. MGTOW is just a solitude focused ideology which encourages men to take a break from the society. That's all there to it, everything else is exaggerated by feminist article writers JNoXK ( talk) 19:06, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- Deleted I suppose it's a little unfair to prevent other people from having the opportunity to vote "delete" and make fun of JNoXK too, but this MFD is going to turn into a timesink fast. I've speedy deleted the userbox as an unambiguous (after JNoXK's clarification of the ideology) violation of
WP:UBCR (help with closing the MFD will be appreciated, but I can re-read the directions again if no one is around to do that right now). I'm trying to decide whether the comments above are worth an indef block or not. Certainly worth a warning - I will certainly block indef if he says stuff like that again. But I'm probably being weak for not blocking him right now. --
Floquenbeam (
talk)
19:10, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- @ Floquenbeam: Highly recommend Wikipedia:XFDcloser. GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:13, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.