- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: delete and redirect to Portal:Politics. — JJMC89 ( T· C) 01:12, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Portal:Political science
Mini-portal abandoned since 2008. No selection or rotation of content.
Cretaed [1] in May 2008 by Kanogul ( talk · contribs), whose last portal-space contribs were later that month [2]. WP:NOTCOMPULSORY, so no criticism of Kanogul, but the portal has had no maintainer since Kanogul exercised their right to moved onto other interests.
The list of sub-pages at Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Political_science shows that this portals has never been developed beyond the start made by its creator:
- Portal:Political science/content, a list of FAs & GAs, unchanged since creation in 2008
- Portal:Political science/article/1, unchanged since creation in 2008 apart from date-unlinking in 2010
- Portal:Political science/did you know, only changes since 2008 is one addition in 2019 [3]
- Portal:Political science/excerpt, the summary of the topic placed at the top of the portal. It has been edited heavily since 2008 [4], but should have been replaced with an automatic transclusion of the lead of the head article political science
- Portal:Political science/image/1, no change since image replaced in 2010 [5]
- Portal:Political science/topic/1, minor edits in 2009 and 2011
WP:POG#How_often_to_update? says that unless automated, the content selection should be updated monthly, or preferably weekly. Even on a monthly cycle, this pseudo-portal has missed over 130 consecutive updates.
In theory, this a broad topic. But in practice, it has not met the WP:POG requirement that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers".
Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But this is massively less useful in every respect than the head article political science.
It is time to stop wasting the time of readers by luring them to this abandoned draft, and time to abandon the hope that this abandoned relic will some day magically attract magical editors who will want to resurrect it. If any editor does want to build a real portal which actually adds value for readers, they will be far better off without this relic and its ancient content-forked subpages; instead they should build a modern portal without content-forked sub-pages. There are several possible models, such as the v different Portal:Harz Mountains and Portal:Geophysics.
So I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 16:36, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - As specified by BHG. A valid broad area for a portal. Reserving the right to change this !vote to Weak Delete or Neutral if the original maintainer or a new maintainer makes a statement. Robert McClenon ( talk) 17:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: since its abandonment, no effort has been made to make it pass WP:POG and WP:PORTALs require active maintenance to fulfil their purpose. Echo BHG's WP:NOTCOMPULSORY comment, but there are portals which are updated via bot or script, so if an active maintainer can't be found, maybe that could be a recreation route as this topic clearly could pass POG. SITH (talk) 11:03, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - As I recall, I created this portal based on a list of "needed portals" at the time. Wikipedia has changed significantly since that time (and so have I). It was never my intention to maintain the portal, only to create it. If it is ambiguous, redundant, and violates WP guidelines (which appears to be the case), I see no reason why it should be kept. I have no strong opinions either way. But I definitely do not have time or resources to maintain a WP portal on my own. Kanogul ( talk) 13:08, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Portal:Politics which I just updated on behalf of Wikiproject Politics. It's a plausible search term, I feel. Separately, I will note that I am here because of this notice on Talk:Political science. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 17:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: delete and redirect to Portal:Politics. — JJMC89 ( T· C) 01:12, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Portal:Political science
Mini-portal abandoned since 2008. No selection or rotation of content.
Cretaed [1] in May 2008 by Kanogul ( talk · contribs), whose last portal-space contribs were later that month [2]. WP:NOTCOMPULSORY, so no criticism of Kanogul, but the portal has had no maintainer since Kanogul exercised their right to moved onto other interests.
The list of sub-pages at Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Political_science shows that this portals has never been developed beyond the start made by its creator:
- Portal:Political science/content, a list of FAs & GAs, unchanged since creation in 2008
- Portal:Political science/article/1, unchanged since creation in 2008 apart from date-unlinking in 2010
- Portal:Political science/did you know, only changes since 2008 is one addition in 2019 [3]
- Portal:Political science/excerpt, the summary of the topic placed at the top of the portal. It has been edited heavily since 2008 [4], but should have been replaced with an automatic transclusion of the lead of the head article political science
- Portal:Political science/image/1, no change since image replaced in 2010 [5]
- Portal:Political science/topic/1, minor edits in 2009 and 2011
WP:POG#How_often_to_update? says that unless automated, the content selection should be updated monthly, or preferably weekly. Even on a monthly cycle, this pseudo-portal has missed over 130 consecutive updates.
In theory, this a broad topic. But in practice, it has not met the WP:POG requirement that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers".
Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But this is massively less useful in every respect than the head article political science.
It is time to stop wasting the time of readers by luring them to this abandoned draft, and time to abandon the hope that this abandoned relic will some day magically attract magical editors who will want to resurrect it. If any editor does want to build a real portal which actually adds value for readers, they will be far better off without this relic and its ancient content-forked subpages; instead they should build a modern portal without content-forked sub-pages. There are several possible models, such as the v different Portal:Harz Mountains and Portal:Geophysics.
So I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 16:36, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - As specified by BHG. A valid broad area for a portal. Reserving the right to change this !vote to Weak Delete or Neutral if the original maintainer or a new maintainer makes a statement. Robert McClenon ( talk) 17:27, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: since its abandonment, no effort has been made to make it pass WP:POG and WP:PORTALs require active maintenance to fulfil their purpose. Echo BHG's WP:NOTCOMPULSORY comment, but there are portals which are updated via bot or script, so if an active maintainer can't be found, maybe that could be a recreation route as this topic clearly could pass POG. SITH (talk) 11:03, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - As I recall, I created this portal based on a list of "needed portals" at the time. Wikipedia has changed significantly since that time (and so have I). It was never my intention to maintain the portal, only to create it. If it is ambiguous, redundant, and violates WP guidelines (which appears to be the case), I see no reason why it should be kept. I have no strong opinions either way. But I definitely do not have time or resources to maintain a WP portal on my own. Kanogul ( talk) 13:08, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Portal:Politics which I just updated on behalf of Wikiproject Politics. It's a plausible search term, I feel. Separately, I will note that I am here because of this notice on Talk:Political science. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 17:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.