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The result of the discussion was: delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 08:01, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Portal:Jesus
A navbox-cloned automated portal, redundant to its components.
Created [1] in September 2018 by @ The Transhumanist (TTH), aka the portalspammer, who at the end of 2018 boasted " We were racing against time to create 5,000 portals by the end of the year (just for the heck of it)".
This is one of the last few dozen remaining fully-automated portals, out of over 4,000 created by @ The Transhumanist (TTH) and others. Most of the portals built off a single navbox were deleted two mass deletions of similar portals: one, and two, where there was overwhelming consensus of a very high turnout to delete a total of 2,555 such portals. Over a thousand other automated portals have been deleted in other MFDs.
However, further analysis has shown that many other types automated portals are also redundant, including this one.
It draws its "selected articles" list solely from the lists on 4 other pages:
It draws its "selected images" list solely from the articles Jesus.
Two newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navboxes offers all the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).
- mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead. So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links. Try it on e.g. Template:Jesus footer ... or any of the other pages listed above.
- automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than even a click-for-next image gallery on a portal. Try it by right-clicking on the article Jesus.
Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.
This redundancy has been belatedly acknowledged by TTH, who wrote at the start of this month New encyclopedia program features will likely eventually render most portals obsolete. For example, the pop-up feature of MediaWiki provides much the same functionality as excerpts in portals already, and there is also a slideshow feature to view all the images on the current page (just click on any image, and that activates the slideshow).
Jesus is obviously a a broad topic which could satisfy WP:POG. It would overlap significantly with Portal:Christianity, so if a curated portal on this topic was to be created, care would need to be taken to avoid overlap.
But there is no reason in principle why there shouldn't be a Portal about Jesus, so long as it was actullay curated and build to add value to the head article, per the WP:PORTAL core principle that "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". This automated clone is less useful in every respect than the head article Jesus.
I propose that this portal be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time.
And yes, I am surprised too. I didn't expect to be MFDing this one, until I looked at how it was made. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:25, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. There are many other articles and portals on same subject rendering this a duplicate. The Zeus is Ha-Zeus ( talk) 19:16, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - The portal has 12 daily pageviews. The head article has 10,209 daily page views. Summarizing what is believed by Christians about Jesus isn't a topic that is taken lightly; it is central to the education of Christian clergy. It shouldn't be done robotically. Any effort by a lay or clerical Christian to develop the portal will no doubt be criticized by other Christians, because Christianity is heavily divided into denominations. Delete this portal, without prejudice. (There are already too many denominational Christian prejudices.) Robert McClenon ( talk) 21:38, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - By way of comparison, Portal:Christianity has 119 daily pageviews during the 1 Jan 2019 - 28 Feb 2019 baseline period, which is the highest pageview rate that I have seen while following these portal discussions. Robert McClenon ( talk) 21:46, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 08:01, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Portal:Jesus
A navbox-cloned automated portal, redundant to its components.
Created [1] in September 2018 by @ The Transhumanist (TTH), aka the portalspammer, who at the end of 2018 boasted " We were racing against time to create 5,000 portals by the end of the year (just for the heck of it)".
This is one of the last few dozen remaining fully-automated portals, out of over 4,000 created by @ The Transhumanist (TTH) and others. Most of the portals built off a single navbox were deleted two mass deletions of similar portals: one, and two, where there was overwhelming consensus of a very high turnout to delete a total of 2,555 such portals. Over a thousand other automated portals have been deleted in other MFDs.
However, further analysis has shown that many other types automated portals are also redundant, including this one.
It draws its "selected articles" list solely from the lists on 4 other pages:
It draws its "selected images" list solely from the articles Jesus.
Two newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navboxes offers all the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).
- mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead. So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links. Try it on e.g. Template:Jesus footer ... or any of the other pages listed above.
- automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than even a click-for-next image gallery on a portal. Try it by right-clicking on the article Jesus.
Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.
This redundancy has been belatedly acknowledged by TTH, who wrote at the start of this month New encyclopedia program features will likely eventually render most portals obsolete. For example, the pop-up feature of MediaWiki provides much the same functionality as excerpts in portals already, and there is also a slideshow feature to view all the images on the current page (just click on any image, and that activates the slideshow).
Jesus is obviously a a broad topic which could satisfy WP:POG. It would overlap significantly with Portal:Christianity, so if a curated portal on this topic was to be created, care would need to be taken to avoid overlap.
But there is no reason in principle why there shouldn't be a Portal about Jesus, so long as it was actullay curated and build to add value to the head article, per the WP:PORTAL core principle that "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". This automated clone is less useful in every respect than the head article Jesus.
I propose that this portal be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time.
And yes, I am surprised too. I didn't expect to be MFDing this one, until I looked at how it was made. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:25, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. There are many other articles and portals on same subject rendering this a duplicate. The Zeus is Ha-Zeus ( talk) 19:16, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - The portal has 12 daily pageviews. The head article has 10,209 daily page views. Summarizing what is believed by Christians about Jesus isn't a topic that is taken lightly; it is central to the education of Christian clergy. It shouldn't be done robotically. Any effort by a lay or clerical Christian to develop the portal will no doubt be criticized by other Christians, because Christianity is heavily divided into denominations. Delete this portal, without prejudice. (There are already too many denominational Christian prejudices.) Robert McClenon ( talk) 21:38, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - By way of comparison, Portal:Christianity has 119 daily pageviews during the 1 Jan 2019 - 28 Feb 2019 baseline period, which is the highest pageview rate that I have seen while following these portal discussions. Robert McClenon ( talk) 21:46, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.