- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 21:50, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Portal:Gravity
A long-abandoned non-portal on a topic which probably does meet POG.
This one was created [1] back in August 2005, just before the portal namespace went live later that month. A you can see at Portal:Gravity, it has about 6 boxes on different topics, plus a DYK box and picture box, plus a short list of key topics. However, as Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Gravity shows, these are all static; there is no rotation of content. As far as I can see, all the subpages are unchanged since their creation in 2005, apart from minor tweaks. They are basically 14-year-old content forks of the relevant articles, reflecting a very early stage on Wikipedia's coverage of these topics.
So it's not really a portal. It neither offers good navigation nor samplers of a wide range of topics, except for the fact that someone has added Template:Theories of gravitation near the top of the page. Navboxes are usually placed at the bottom of the page, and this one's placement at the top kinda suggests that it is not worth scrolling down to see the rest of the page ... which I'd agree with, because the head article gravity is pretty good The article is a well-written and well-laid out B-class article, large chinks of it well-written in summary-style, with the concepts and other topics expanded in clearly-linked articles.
Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But in this case, the head article is significantly more enhanced that the portal. The article is better laid out, covers far more topics, has far more samples of deeper content, and has a TOC to help navigation.
When the portal was created in 2005, the head article looked like this [2]. i.e. a 3-para stub. The portal was then clearly a vastly better page. But 14 years later, the unchanged portal is now way outclassed by the head article.
The topic probably could support a portal: Category:Gravitation looks quite rich, but there is no point in keeping this long-abandoned fork of the head article. So I propose that this portal and its subpages be deleted without prejudice to recreating a curated portal, in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time.
Note history: this portal spent most of its life named
Portal:Gravitation. On 17 September 2018, @
The Transhumanist created
[3] Portal:Gravity as as a drive-by automated template built on Template:{{PAGENAME}}. As with so many other cases, TTH apparently no effort to check for the existence of another portal covering the same topic, so on 14 November 2018 @
Wumbolo wisely redirected
[4] the automated portal to Poratal:Gravitation. The page was then speedy deleted on 20 April 2019 to make way for the old manual portal to be moved
[5] to the Portal:Gravity by @
JJMC89, matching the head article.
If there is consensus to delete, then I recommend that before deletion, this page should be moved back to Portal:Gravitation, to keep the histories separate.
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs)
20:02, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. wumbolo ^^^ 20:11, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
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Note: The move from
Portal:Gravitation was requested by UnitedStatesian (see deleted history of
Portal:Gravity (
|
talk |
history |
links |
watch |
logs)). I take no position on the title or the existence of the portal (this discussion). —
JJMC89 (
T·
C)
20:13, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oops! Sorry for the misattribution, @ JJMC89, and thanks for the correction. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:28, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. This is quite a broad topic area, but a static outdated portal does not serve it. Espresso Addict ( talk) 22:00, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Question - Is User:Ancheta Wis maintaining this portal? Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:54, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - This is certainly a broad topic in one philosophical sense, because it isn't every portal whose topic literally makes the worlds go round (round the sun, that is). However, it isn't a broad topic in the Wikipedia sense. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:54, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete as per nominator. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:54, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Neutral – The subject matter looks broad enough to me, and would be drowned if confined to a Physics portal. However I'm not sure a proper portal can be built and maintained; as other editors have noted, the current thing is poor. —
JFG
talk
01:41, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- @ JFG I share that doubt. That's why I recommend some WP:TNT, rather than leaving useless this thing hanging around to waste readers' time while editors wait for a builder and a maintainer whose arrival seems about as likely as that of Godot. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 18:36, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Story of my life. — JFG talk 18:39, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - Abandoned old portal, 18 subpages, created 2005-08-16 09:18:05 by User:Ancheta Wis. Nuked, for a good reason, by TTH. The automated replacement is useless. Without prejudice to a maintenance team who would appear by some miracle. Portal:Gravity. Pldx1 ( talk) 14:28, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics courtesy talkpage notified. UnitedStatesian ( talk) 13:08, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. The nominator's proposal is well thought out and reasonable.-- Srleffler ( talk) 02:32, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 21:50, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Portal:Gravity
A long-abandoned non-portal on a topic which probably does meet POG.
This one was created [1] back in August 2005, just before the portal namespace went live later that month. A you can see at Portal:Gravity, it has about 6 boxes on different topics, plus a DYK box and picture box, plus a short list of key topics. However, as Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Gravity shows, these are all static; there is no rotation of content. As far as I can see, all the subpages are unchanged since their creation in 2005, apart from minor tweaks. They are basically 14-year-old content forks of the relevant articles, reflecting a very early stage on Wikipedia's coverage of these topics.
So it's not really a portal. It neither offers good navigation nor samplers of a wide range of topics, except for the fact that someone has added Template:Theories of gravitation near the top of the page. Navboxes are usually placed at the bottom of the page, and this one's placement at the top kinda suggests that it is not worth scrolling down to see the rest of the page ... which I'd agree with, because the head article gravity is pretty good The article is a well-written and well-laid out B-class article, large chinks of it well-written in summary-style, with the concepts and other topics expanded in clearly-linked articles.
Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But in this case, the head article is significantly more enhanced that the portal. The article is better laid out, covers far more topics, has far more samples of deeper content, and has a TOC to help navigation.
When the portal was created in 2005, the head article looked like this [2]. i.e. a 3-para stub. The portal was then clearly a vastly better page. But 14 years later, the unchanged portal is now way outclassed by the head article.
The topic probably could support a portal: Category:Gravitation looks quite rich, but there is no point in keeping this long-abandoned fork of the head article. So I propose that this portal and its subpages be deleted without prejudice to recreating a curated portal, in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time.
Note history: this portal spent most of its life named
Portal:Gravitation. On 17 September 2018, @
The Transhumanist created
[3] Portal:Gravity as as a drive-by automated template built on Template:{{PAGENAME}}. As with so many other cases, TTH apparently no effort to check for the existence of another portal covering the same topic, so on 14 November 2018 @
Wumbolo wisely redirected
[4] the automated portal to Poratal:Gravitation. The page was then speedy deleted on 20 April 2019 to make way for the old manual portal to be moved
[5] to the Portal:Gravity by @
JJMC89, matching the head article.
If there is consensus to delete, then I recommend that before deletion, this page should be moved back to Portal:Gravitation, to keep the histories separate.
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs)
20:02, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. wumbolo ^^^ 20:11, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
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Note: The move from
Portal:Gravitation was requested by UnitedStatesian (see deleted history of
Portal:Gravity (
|
talk |
history |
links |
watch |
logs)). I take no position on the title or the existence of the portal (this discussion). —
JJMC89 (
T·
C)
20:13, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Oops! Sorry for the misattribution, @ JJMC89, and thanks for the correction. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:28, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. This is quite a broad topic area, but a static outdated portal does not serve it. Espresso Addict ( talk) 22:00, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Question - Is User:Ancheta Wis maintaining this portal? Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:54, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - This is certainly a broad topic in one philosophical sense, because it isn't every portal whose topic literally makes the worlds go round (round the sun, that is). However, it isn't a broad topic in the Wikipedia sense. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:54, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete as per nominator. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:54, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Neutral – The subject matter looks broad enough to me, and would be drowned if confined to a Physics portal. However I'm not sure a proper portal can be built and maintained; as other editors have noted, the current thing is poor. —
JFG
talk
01:41, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- @ JFG I share that doubt. That's why I recommend some WP:TNT, rather than leaving useless this thing hanging around to waste readers' time while editors wait for a builder and a maintainer whose arrival seems about as likely as that of Godot. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 18:36, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Story of my life. — JFG talk 18:39, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - Abandoned old portal, 18 subpages, created 2005-08-16 09:18:05 by User:Ancheta Wis. Nuked, for a good reason, by TTH. The automated replacement is useless. Without prejudice to a maintenance team who would appear by some miracle. Portal:Gravity. Pldx1 ( talk) 14:28, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics courtesy talkpage notified. UnitedStatesian ( talk) 13:08, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. The nominator's proposal is well thought out and reasonable.-- Srleffler ( talk) 02:32, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.