- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was keep. Salvio Let's talk about it! 09:57, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Portal:Baseball in Japan
Unmaintained portal. JJ98 ( Talk / Contributions) 23:46, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Never completed and untouched since 2009. I'd be happy to change my opinion if someone undertakes to update it. -- Klein zach 01:10, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- Delete full of redlinks. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 03:44, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. Premature. Portal creator Borgarde ( talk · contribs) is an active contributor. There has been zero prior attempt to address concerns or notify anyone at the portal's talk page or notify the portal creator prior to this sudden nomination. There has been no attempt to solicit input of relevant WikiProjects. Both WP:WikiProject Japan and WP:WikiProject Baseball would likely be interested in this portal, and yet nominator failed to attempt to gain input from Wikipedia community members involved in either of those projects. — Cirt ( talk) 04:09, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. It looks mostly complete, and would require just a little work to be fine. As Cirt mentioned, you shouldn't be bringing something here for deletion when all it really needs is to discuss the issue with the creator of the portal or perhaps bring it up at
WP:BASEBALL or
WP:JAPAN (or all three, even). ···
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05:00, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- Since Ten Pound Hammer apparently thinks no one does any work to help improve things (based on his comments below), and since he apparently believes anyone who !votes "Keep" without doing anything is only a spammer, I've undertaken proven him completely incorrect by improving the portal. I've added a few more selected articles and biographies, and I've tweaked the layout a little bit to remove the one section which didn't have anything in it. I also added the related portals section since it hadn't been created yet. If anyone would like to help pick more selected pictures, a good place to start is
here. Please post your recommended selections over at the
Japanese baseball task force talk page so we can keep all the suggestions in one place. Perhaps we can get something done in less than 16 years.
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01:09, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
- Since Ten Pound Hammer apparently thinks no one does any work to help improve things (based on his comments below), and since he apparently believes anyone who !votes "Keep" without doing anything is only a spammer, I've undertaken proven him completely incorrect by improving the portal. I've added a few more selected articles and biographies, and I've tweaked the layout a little bit to remove the one section which didn't have anything in it. I also added the related portals section since it hadn't been created yet. If anyone would like to help pick more selected pictures, a good place to start is
here. Please post your recommended selections over at the
Japanese baseball task force talk page so we can keep all the suggestions in one place. Perhaps we can get something done in less than 16 years.
- Keep. Per Cirt.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 07:27, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- Don't say "keep, it just needs work" unless a.) you plan to do the work yourself or b.) you plan to contact someone whom you know will do the work. I see this all the time. People spam an XFD with "keep but improve", but everyone expects everyone else to do the work, so nothing gets done and 16 years later, the portal's still incomplete. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 20:11, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- AfD is not for cleanup. As our guidance states: "If the article can be fixed through normal editing, then it is not a candidate for AfD." And -- we are all volunteers here. I'm not sure we should be telling our colleagues that they are not allowed to indicate that they believe this meets our criteria for a keep, unless the colleague volunteer commits to doing anything at all. If an editor believes it is a "keep" under our rules, let's encourage them to give voice to their view. Not bludgeon them by asserting that they have some obligation, which they certainly don't have. I respect the desire to have fellow editors work on articles that need work, but don't think that AfDs or such assertions are the best way to get there.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 20:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- I know XFD is not for cleanup. But if you say it needs work, don't expect the work to do itself. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 20:38, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- I agree with that. And I certainly understand your frustration. Best.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 22:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- Speaking of spam, please don't post duplicate comments on the my talk page and here. I'm watching this page, and I don't need you spamming me on my talk page and accusing me of all sorts of blatantly false things. I don't spam. I do plenty of work around this place, and your comments are completely inappropriate and false. Please only post your comments here unless you have something completely different to say on my talk page. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:19, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- Speedy keep no policy-based reason for deletion given. We have to remember that Wikipedia is a work in progress: perfection is not required. If you see something that needs a fix DO IT! Moxy ( talk) 15:51, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - A useful portal, which has been recently improved. Northamerica1000 (talk) 02:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - I created this portal in 2009 basing it off the main baseball portal. I don't think this should be deleted, it's a topic with a lot of coverage where a portal is a logical step in it's organisation. It may need a bit of work but nothing on Wikipedia is complete. Borgarde ( talk) 09:21, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for your contributions, Bogarde.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 10:54, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
- Keep not maintained isnt a valid rason for deletion Gnan garra 23:38, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was keep. Salvio Let's talk about it! 09:57, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Portal:Baseball in Japan
Unmaintained portal. JJ98 ( Talk / Contributions) 23:46, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
- Delete Never completed and untouched since 2009. I'd be happy to change my opinion if someone undertakes to update it. -- Klein zach 01:10, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- Delete full of redlinks. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 03:44, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. Premature. Portal creator Borgarde ( talk · contribs) is an active contributor. There has been zero prior attempt to address concerns or notify anyone at the portal's talk page or notify the portal creator prior to this sudden nomination. There has been no attempt to solicit input of relevant WikiProjects. Both WP:WikiProject Japan and WP:WikiProject Baseball would likely be interested in this portal, and yet nominator failed to attempt to gain input from Wikipedia community members involved in either of those projects. — Cirt ( talk) 04:09, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- Keep. It looks mostly complete, and would require just a little work to be fine. As Cirt mentioned, you shouldn't be bringing something here for deletion when all it really needs is to discuss the issue with the creator of the portal or perhaps bring it up at
WP:BASEBALL or
WP:JAPAN (or all three, even). ···
日本穣
? ·
投稿 ·
Talk to Nihonjoe ·
Join WP Japan!
05:00, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- Since Ten Pound Hammer apparently thinks no one does any work to help improve things (based on his comments below), and since he apparently believes anyone who !votes "Keep" without doing anything is only a spammer, I've undertaken proven him completely incorrect by improving the portal. I've added a few more selected articles and biographies, and I've tweaked the layout a little bit to remove the one section which didn't have anything in it. I also added the related portals section since it hadn't been created yet. If anyone would like to help pick more selected pictures, a good place to start is
here. Please post your recommended selections over at the
Japanese baseball task force talk page so we can keep all the suggestions in one place. Perhaps we can get something done in less than 16 years.
···
日本穣
? ·
投稿 ·
Talk to Nihonjoe ·
Join WP Japan!
01:09, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
- Since Ten Pound Hammer apparently thinks no one does any work to help improve things (based on his comments below), and since he apparently believes anyone who !votes "Keep" without doing anything is only a spammer, I've undertaken proven him completely incorrect by improving the portal. I've added a few more selected articles and biographies, and I've tweaked the layout a little bit to remove the one section which didn't have anything in it. I also added the related portals section since it hadn't been created yet. If anyone would like to help pick more selected pictures, a good place to start is
here. Please post your recommended selections over at the
Japanese baseball task force talk page so we can keep all the suggestions in one place. Perhaps we can get something done in less than 16 years.
- Keep. Per Cirt.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 07:27, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- Don't say "keep, it just needs work" unless a.) you plan to do the work yourself or b.) you plan to contact someone whom you know will do the work. I see this all the time. People spam an XFD with "keep but improve", but everyone expects everyone else to do the work, so nothing gets done and 16 years later, the portal's still incomplete. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 20:11, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- AfD is not for cleanup. As our guidance states: "If the article can be fixed through normal editing, then it is not a candidate for AfD." And -- we are all volunteers here. I'm not sure we should be telling our colleagues that they are not allowed to indicate that they believe this meets our criteria for a keep, unless the colleague volunteer commits to doing anything at all. If an editor believes it is a "keep" under our rules, let's encourage them to give voice to their view. Not bludgeon them by asserting that they have some obligation, which they certainly don't have. I respect the desire to have fellow editors work on articles that need work, but don't think that AfDs or such assertions are the best way to get there.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 20:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- I know XFD is not for cleanup. But if you say it needs work, don't expect the work to do itself. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 20:38, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- I agree with that. And I certainly understand your frustration. Best.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 22:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- Speaking of spam, please don't post duplicate comments on the my talk page and here. I'm watching this page, and I don't need you spamming me on my talk page and accusing me of all sorts of blatantly false things. I don't spam. I do plenty of work around this place, and your comments are completely inappropriate and false. Please only post your comments here unless you have something completely different to say on my talk page. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:19, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- Speedy keep no policy-based reason for deletion given. We have to remember that Wikipedia is a work in progress: perfection is not required. If you see something that needs a fix DO IT! Moxy ( talk) 15:51, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - A useful portal, which has been recently improved. Northamerica1000 (talk) 02:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - I created this portal in 2009 basing it off the main baseball portal. I don't think this should be deleted, it's a topic with a lot of coverage where a portal is a logical step in it's organisation. It may need a bit of work but nothing on Wikipedia is complete. Borgarde ( talk) 09:21, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for your contributions, Bogarde.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 10:54, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
- Keep not maintained isnt a valid rason for deletion Gnan garra 23:38, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.