- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: keep. Consensus shows that if these pages are to be deleted, a different venue with a larger audience must be used. Anarchyte ( talk • work) 11:42, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
MediaWiki:Abusefilter-disallowed/de
Per
Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/MediaWiki:Noarticletext/es, as an English language Wikipedia, it is entirely pointless to have personalized messages in [foreign languages] as it is expected that those contributing have a decent command of English.
In summary: In order to contribute to this project, you need to have enough of a command of English to understand all the English-language system messages and policies that we put there, and translating these messages will probably just encourage non-fluent English speakers to contribute to this project in broken English, rather than contributing to their own language Wikipedia fluently without problems. For this reason, I nominated this list of 108 pages for deletion and would prefer deletion of all of these above messages. If this should be discussed in the village pump instead, I am happy to raise my concerns there.
Aasim (
talk) 22:35, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Whoa there if these pages are empty or otherwise useless, then sure delete. But otherwise having a page such as
MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon/nl exist doesn't seem to be following the nominators deletion argument. If you are a multi-language editor and have your interface language set to your common language you will see these messages instead of the local custom english version - else you will get the mediawiki default which could be even worse. This nomination is a bit broad to not have more specific reasons for specific pages. —
xaosflux
Talk 12:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- I know people like to set their interface language to their foreign language, but speaking from the point of view of someone who predominantly speaks English, my contributions on other language wikis would not be super helpful. Plus we also have the Wikipedia:Embassy for those who cannot communicate or understand Wikipedia policies very well. The level of English required to contribute to an English project (and this is true for other languages as well, not just English) is very high. En-1 and En-2 does not cut it. Sure you may be able to edit at En-2 but the kinds of edits you can make are very limited compared to En-N or En-3/4.
- And the MediaWiki default being "worse"? I disagree a little. You still have access to all the tools, they are just not conveniently linked at the bottom of every talk page. The solution is just go to your native wiki or an international wiki (like MediaWiki or Meta) and you get the tools linked at the bottom there. Aasim ( talk) 16:37, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep English Wikipedia, as the most prominent Wikipedia, should remain accessible to editors of different languages. There is very little cost to keeping these. Zoozaz1 talk 18:41, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac 1 5 04:17, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
- Reject nomination and send this matter to a venue better equipped to debate it. The community should be queried, mayhaps through an rfc at somewhere like the village pump, regarding the appropriateness of such pages (i.e. seemingly translations of abuse filters) as a class. — Godsy ( TALK CONT) 13:10, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep and start an RFC somewhere - Personally I agree with the nom in that everyone who comes here should have a basic understanding of English however I also agree with Godsy that a consensus should be reached somewhere as to whether these as a whole are acceptable here or not. Other point to make is these could all be used which if they are a lot of disruption would be caused if theu're deleted, – Davey2010 Talk 22:31, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, discuss individually if necessary. Since interwikis were moved to Wikidata it has become rare that I need to edit Wikipedia in foreign languages, but it can happen, and then having interface messages in foreign languages is useful. — Kusma ( t· c) 15:53, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Kusma's rationale. I've occasionally gone to other Wikipedias for cleaning up cross-wiki messes or replacing images and translated interface messages can be useful. Elli ( talk | contribs) 20:11, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: keep. Consensus shows that if these pages are to be deleted, a different venue with a larger audience must be used. Anarchyte ( talk • work) 11:42, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
MediaWiki:Abusefilter-disallowed/de
Per
Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/MediaWiki:Noarticletext/es, as an English language Wikipedia, it is entirely pointless to have personalized messages in [foreign languages] as it is expected that those contributing have a decent command of English.
In summary: In order to contribute to this project, you need to have enough of a command of English to understand all the English-language system messages and policies that we put there, and translating these messages will probably just encourage non-fluent English speakers to contribute to this project in broken English, rather than contributing to their own language Wikipedia fluently without problems. For this reason, I nominated this list of 108 pages for deletion and would prefer deletion of all of these above messages. If this should be discussed in the village pump instead, I am happy to raise my concerns there.
Aasim (
talk) 22:35, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Whoa there if these pages are empty or otherwise useless, then sure delete. But otherwise having a page such as
MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon/nl exist doesn't seem to be following the nominators deletion argument. If you are a multi-language editor and have your interface language set to your common language you will see these messages instead of the local custom english version - else you will get the mediawiki default which could be even worse. This nomination is a bit broad to not have more specific reasons for specific pages. —
xaosflux
Talk 12:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- I know people like to set their interface language to their foreign language, but speaking from the point of view of someone who predominantly speaks English, my contributions on other language wikis would not be super helpful. Plus we also have the Wikipedia:Embassy for those who cannot communicate or understand Wikipedia policies very well. The level of English required to contribute to an English project (and this is true for other languages as well, not just English) is very high. En-1 and En-2 does not cut it. Sure you may be able to edit at En-2 but the kinds of edits you can make are very limited compared to En-N or En-3/4.
- And the MediaWiki default being "worse"? I disagree a little. You still have access to all the tools, they are just not conveniently linked at the bottom of every talk page. The solution is just go to your native wiki or an international wiki (like MediaWiki or Meta) and you get the tools linked at the bottom there. Aasim ( talk) 16:37, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Keep English Wikipedia, as the most prominent Wikipedia, should remain accessible to editors of different languages. There is very little cost to keeping these. Zoozaz1 talk 18:41, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac 1 5 04:17, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
- Reject nomination and send this matter to a venue better equipped to debate it. The community should be queried, mayhaps through an rfc at somewhere like the village pump, regarding the appropriateness of such pages (i.e. seemingly translations of abuse filters) as a class. — Godsy ( TALK CONT) 13:10, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep and start an RFC somewhere - Personally I agree with the nom in that everyone who comes here should have a basic understanding of English however I also agree with Godsy that a consensus should be reached somewhere as to whether these as a whole are acceptable here or not. Other point to make is these could all be used which if they are a lot of disruption would be caused if theu're deleted, – Davey2010 Talk 22:31, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, discuss individually if necessary. Since interwikis were moved to Wikidata it has become rare that I need to edit Wikipedia in foreign languages, but it can happen, and then having interface messages in foreign languages is useful. — Kusma ( t· c) 15:53, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Kusma's rationale. I've occasionally gone to other Wikipedias for cleaning up cross-wiki messes or replacing images and translated interface messages can be useful. Elli ( talk | contribs) 20:11, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.