- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: delete. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 05:22, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Two additional drafts by the same editor added to this list by davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) at 18:50, 7 December 2020 (UTC), please leave this MFD open for 7 days after the most recent addition, unless an early close is appropriate. Comments prior to 18:50, 7 December 2020 (UTC) apply only to the first-listed draft, Rodney Gardin.
- Draft:Jonathan H. Steelman ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Draft:Keith Kilmer ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Person fails
WP:GNG,
WP:BIO,
WP:PROF,
WP:GNG.
Shearonink (
talk)
02:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Draft is among a large group of 15+ drafts that were created about what are private individuals. See
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Cory Burkus and the discussion there. If this MfD is malformed, then someone please do go ahead and fix it or delete is as malformed or do whatever WP-juju should be done. Thanks.
Shearonink (
talk)
18:01, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- @
Shearonink: WP-juju
will bedoneshortly. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 18:50, 7 December 2020 (UTC) (WP-juju done) davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 18:54, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Keepper WP:NMFD. Notability is not a reason to bring a draft to MfD. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 08:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
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SmokeyJoe Maybe my stated reasoning isn't according to Hoyle & WP but perhaps take a look at
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Cory Burkus. Keeping in mind
WP:NOTSOCIAL &
WP:NOTWEBHOST this content belongs to a large group of 15+ drafts about private individuals, all created by the same editor and all sharing similar characteristics.
Shearonink (
talk)
15:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- @
Shearonink: It's impossible to ascertain what your reasoning is - the deletion nomination is a succession of abbreviations, for instance we see you failing to demonstrate precisely why you think the biography fails the general notability guideline (twice, apparently). This is supposed to be a discussion, so we would expect you to discuss your concerns and demonstrate using more than abbreviations and links why you believe something should be deleted.
Nick (
talk)
17:49, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for teaching me a thing. How about I change it then, you ok with that? Good. Done. Shearonink ( talk) 18:01, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- @
Shearonink: It's impossible to ascertain what your reasoning is - the deletion nomination is a succession of abbreviations, for instance we see you failing to demonstrate precisely why you think the biography fails the general notability guideline (twice, apparently). This is supposed to be a discussion, so we would expect you to discuss your concerns and demonstrate using more than abbreviations and links why you believe something should be deleted.
Nick (
talk)
17:49, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
-
SmokeyJoe Maybe my stated reasoning isn't according to Hoyle & WP but perhaps take a look at
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Cory Burkus. Keeping in mind
WP:NOTSOCIAL &
WP:NOTWEBHOST this content belongs to a large group of 15+ drafts about private individuals, all created by the same editor and all sharing similar characteristics.
Shearonink (
talk)
15:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Draft:Rodney Gardin per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Cory Burkus, which this MFD is essentially a "late continuation" of. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 14:51, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Shearonink would you consider adding Draft:Jonathan H. Steelman ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and Draft:Keith Kilmer ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for basically the same reasons as listed here and at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Cory Burkus, then re-starting the 7-day clock? That would save having to open yet another MFD. See related discussion here on User talk:Praxidicae. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 14:51, 7 December 2020 (UTC) (Updated to add basically) davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 14:53, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
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davidwr I'll consider it but I'll probably do it wrong somehow. Taking a look now...
Shearonink (
talk)
15:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- No, sorry I won't. I am done with this particular editor's editing practices. Some expert around here can take this on. Shearonink ( talk) 18:01, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
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davidwr I'll consider it but I'll probably do it wrong somehow. Taking a look now...
Shearonink (
talk)
15:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete as explained above. The originator has already been warned about using Wikipedia for random biographies of living persons who have no credible claim of significance. Robert McClenon ( talk) 17:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Two additional pages added to list, Draft:Jonathan H. Steelman and Draft:Keith Kilmer. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 18:50, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Keep. Still “keep” after a considerable change to the deletion rationale. The clear cut rationale of nearly indiscriminate biographies of BLPPRIVATE people of the previous MfD is no longer true, the net is now being cast more widely and indiscriminately. Politicians are NOT private persons, two if not three of these drafts pass A7, they are very drafty and draftspace is appropriate for them. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 22:05, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- On checking, while these would pass CSD#A7, they are unsourced BLPs and I cannot verify they they are politicians. I think BLPPROD should be applicable, and have re-raised this at WT:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people#BLPPROD in DraftSpace. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 22:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete due to being an unsourced WP:BLP, which I have attempted to find sources and did not. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 05:51, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Three pages here nominated ...
- Delete Draft:Rodney Gardin as an unsourced WP:BLP
- Keep Draft:Jonathan H. Steelman as not a BLP (died April 24, 2020)
- Delete Draft:Keith Kilmer as an unsourced WP:BLP
- -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 05:54, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Jonathan H. Steelman or Jonathan Herbert Steelman... I can find no record of this particular person in Indiana, being born in 1931, dead in 2020. I can find no record that such a person has even existed and I even looked in whitepages(dot)com. This particular draft is looking like a possible hoax. Shearonink ( talk) 07:49, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- SmokeyJoe - Can you change that Keep to a Delete in light of my comments above? Shearonink ( talk) 20:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to assume good faith on the editor's part and assume he got bad information from somewhere else, or misspelled a name or got a date wrong by mistake. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 15:18, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- davidwr - See this... Shearonink ( talk) 20:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Normally I might be inclined to that as well but I searched for variations on that name and cannot find this J.H. Steelman or as any of the variations I came up with. At all. I searched for "steelman 1931-2020" for "Jack steelman Indiana," for Jonathan Steelman/Jonathan H. Steelman/John Steelman/etc. all in (somewhere) Indiana and at least having lived in the 21st Century. There is a John H Steelman who lived in Indiana PA, and some Steelmans in that area of Pennsylvania but I am telling you I can find no evidence that this person, as they are delineated within the Draft, existed or exists or whatever. And, oh, btw neither does this (alleged) "Regional Director" "job" of "Northwest Indiana". This content is seeming more and more to me like a joke (haha, how *funny* amirite) about an acquaintance or an outright hoax. I am thinking WP:DUCK applies... Shearonink ( talk) 16:58, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - This has become a bit of a trainwreck to decipher. — Godsy ( TALK CONT) 17:53, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- I don't disagree with your assessment Godsy, but I'd like to point any interested admins to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Cory Burkus where 1)all the Draft:BLPs 2)that were listed there and 3)that were created by 4)the same editor have now been deleted per the following policies/guidelines/posts: WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK, WP:BLPPRIVATE, spam, etc. Can the above listed Drafts - Draft:Rodney Gardin, Draft:Keith Kilmer, Draft:Jonathan H. Steelman - be dealt with or to they get to live on in Draft space when all their associated brethren have already been deleted... Shearonink ( talk) 20:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - Editor who created all these drafts has now been blocked... Shearonink ( talk) 20:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: delete. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 05:22, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Two additional drafts by the same editor added to this list by davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) at 18:50, 7 December 2020 (UTC), please leave this MFD open for 7 days after the most recent addition, unless an early close is appropriate. Comments prior to 18:50, 7 December 2020 (UTC) apply only to the first-listed draft, Rodney Gardin.
- Draft:Jonathan H. Steelman ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Draft:Keith Kilmer ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Person fails
WP:GNG,
WP:BIO,
WP:PROF,
WP:GNG.
Shearonink (
talk)
02:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Draft is among a large group of 15+ drafts that were created about what are private individuals. See
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Cory Burkus and the discussion there. If this MfD is malformed, then someone please do go ahead and fix it or delete is as malformed or do whatever WP-juju should be done. Thanks.
Shearonink (
talk)
18:01, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- @
Shearonink: WP-juju
will bedoneshortly. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 18:50, 7 December 2020 (UTC) (WP-juju done) davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 18:54, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Keepper WP:NMFD. Notability is not a reason to bring a draft to MfD. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 08:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
-
SmokeyJoe Maybe my stated reasoning isn't according to Hoyle & WP but perhaps take a look at
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Cory Burkus. Keeping in mind
WP:NOTSOCIAL &
WP:NOTWEBHOST this content belongs to a large group of 15+ drafts about private individuals, all created by the same editor and all sharing similar characteristics.
Shearonink (
talk)
15:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- @
Shearonink: It's impossible to ascertain what your reasoning is - the deletion nomination is a succession of abbreviations, for instance we see you failing to demonstrate precisely why you think the biography fails the general notability guideline (twice, apparently). This is supposed to be a discussion, so we would expect you to discuss your concerns and demonstrate using more than abbreviations and links why you believe something should be deleted.
Nick (
talk)
17:49, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for teaching me a thing. How about I change it then, you ok with that? Good. Done. Shearonink ( talk) 18:01, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- @
Shearonink: It's impossible to ascertain what your reasoning is - the deletion nomination is a succession of abbreviations, for instance we see you failing to demonstrate precisely why you think the biography fails the general notability guideline (twice, apparently). This is supposed to be a discussion, so we would expect you to discuss your concerns and demonstrate using more than abbreviations and links why you believe something should be deleted.
Nick (
talk)
17:49, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
-
SmokeyJoe Maybe my stated reasoning isn't according to Hoyle & WP but perhaps take a look at
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Cory Burkus. Keeping in mind
WP:NOTSOCIAL &
WP:NOTWEBHOST this content belongs to a large group of 15+ drafts about private individuals, all created by the same editor and all sharing similar characteristics.
Shearonink (
talk)
15:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Draft:Rodney Gardin per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Cory Burkus, which this MFD is essentially a "late continuation" of. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 14:51, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Shearonink would you consider adding Draft:Jonathan H. Steelman ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and Draft:Keith Kilmer ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for basically the same reasons as listed here and at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Cory Burkus, then re-starting the 7-day clock? That would save having to open yet another MFD. See related discussion here on User talk:Praxidicae. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 14:51, 7 December 2020 (UTC) (Updated to add basically) davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 14:53, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
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davidwr I'll consider it but I'll probably do it wrong somehow. Taking a look now...
Shearonink (
talk)
15:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- No, sorry I won't. I am done with this particular editor's editing practices. Some expert around here can take this on. Shearonink ( talk) 18:01, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
-
davidwr I'll consider it but I'll probably do it wrong somehow. Taking a look now...
Shearonink (
talk)
15:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete as explained above. The originator has already been warned about using Wikipedia for random biographies of living persons who have no credible claim of significance. Robert McClenon ( talk) 17:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Two additional pages added to list, Draft:Jonathan H. Steelman and Draft:Keith Kilmer. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 18:50, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Keep. Still “keep” after a considerable change to the deletion rationale. The clear cut rationale of nearly indiscriminate biographies of BLPPRIVATE people of the previous MfD is no longer true, the net is now being cast more widely and indiscriminately. Politicians are NOT private persons, two if not three of these drafts pass A7, they are very drafty and draftspace is appropriate for them. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 22:05, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- On checking, while these would pass CSD#A7, they are unsourced BLPs and I cannot verify they they are politicians. I think BLPPROD should be applicable, and have re-raised this at WT:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people#BLPPROD in DraftSpace. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 22:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete due to being an unsourced WP:BLP, which I have attempted to find sources and did not. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 05:51, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Three pages here nominated ...
- Delete Draft:Rodney Gardin as an unsourced WP:BLP
- Keep Draft:Jonathan H. Steelman as not a BLP (died April 24, 2020)
- Delete Draft:Keith Kilmer as an unsourced WP:BLP
- -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 05:54, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Jonathan H. Steelman or Jonathan Herbert Steelman... I can find no record of this particular person in Indiana, being born in 1931, dead in 2020. I can find no record that such a person has even existed and I even looked in whitepages(dot)com. This particular draft is looking like a possible hoax. Shearonink ( talk) 07:49, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- SmokeyJoe - Can you change that Keep to a Delete in light of my comments above? Shearonink ( talk) 20:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to assume good faith on the editor's part and assume he got bad information from somewhere else, or misspelled a name or got a date wrong by mistake. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 15:18, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- davidwr - See this... Shearonink ( talk) 20:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Normally I might be inclined to that as well but I searched for variations on that name and cannot find this J.H. Steelman or as any of the variations I came up with. At all. I searched for "steelman 1931-2020" for "Jack steelman Indiana," for Jonathan Steelman/Jonathan H. Steelman/John Steelman/etc. all in (somewhere) Indiana and at least having lived in the 21st Century. There is a John H Steelman who lived in Indiana PA, and some Steelmans in that area of Pennsylvania but I am telling you I can find no evidence that this person, as they are delineated within the Draft, existed or exists or whatever. And, oh, btw neither does this (alleged) "Regional Director" "job" of "Northwest Indiana". This content is seeming more and more to me like a joke (haha, how *funny* amirite) about an acquaintance or an outright hoax. I am thinking WP:DUCK applies... Shearonink ( talk) 16:58, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - This has become a bit of a trainwreck to decipher. — Godsy ( TALK CONT) 17:53, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- I don't disagree with your assessment Godsy, but I'd like to point any interested admins to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Cory Burkus where 1)all the Draft:BLPs 2)that were listed there and 3)that were created by 4)the same editor have now been deleted per the following policies/guidelines/posts: WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK, WP:BLPPRIVATE, spam, etc. Can the above listed Drafts - Draft:Rodney Gardin, Draft:Keith Kilmer, Draft:Jonathan H. Steelman - be dealt with or to they get to live on in Draft space when all their associated brethren have already been deleted... Shearonink ( talk) 20:41, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - Editor who created all these drafts has now been blocked... Shearonink ( talk) 20:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.