- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: keep . Not enough support to delete this one at this time. (non-admin closure) Legacypac ( talk) 15:07, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Draft:Faithfully flat descent
Attempts to redirect this page have been rebuffed (see talk). An attempt to subject it to AFC was reversed. There is no evident intent to move draft forward, so delete it. Legacypac ( talk) 13:44, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
- Keep: seriously? Again again again, why delete? What are you trying to achieve? I'm not stupid; I get you want to delete it. You are required to make an argument for the removal. "You want it" isn't enough! -- Taku ( talk) 13:46, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
- Close No reason given for deletion. Thincat ( talk) 18:48, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
At this point it is a WP:NOTAWEBHOST violation. Legacypac ( talk) 18:51, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
- It is not a web hosting service nor does it come close to meeting criteria 1 to 5. I have added a hatnote although its status was already completely clear. Thincat ( talk) 19:15, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect as proposed on talk per violations of WP:NOTWEBHOST and WP:NOTESSAY. This article reads as an attempt to write an editorial, not as an encyclopedic article. Phrases like "The statement is actually incredibly succinct" push this into WP:NOTESSAY territory. Redirecting the draft to the main article allows editors who navigate to this draft to contribute to mainspace. ~ Rob13 Talk 17:55, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- Procedural Keep I saw this via WikiProject Mathematics. I see no reason to keep this as a draft; it hasn't been updated in 2 years and shows no signs of resembling a mainspace article. I support deleting on the merits, but I also support pausing any XfDs until the
WP:AN discussion is complete.
Power~enwiki (
talk)
19:17, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- @
Power~enwiki: AN usually doesn't handle content issues. It will not result in deletion of existing drafts, so this is the proper venue to handle this. The AN is dealing exclusively with the behavioral issues. Is there a particular reason you think a pause will be helpful? ~
Rob13
Talk
19:46, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think there are behavioral issues here that need addressing; the diffs appear to mostly be understandable frustration resulting from a long-running argument. There's a clear philosophical disagreement on the nature of draft-space, and a more specific question regarding the sheer number of drafts Taku should be able to be responsible for at one time. There's no reason to have a discussion at XfD until there's consensus on at least one of those points.
Power~enwiki (
talk)
19:49, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- The behavioral issue is the misuse of draftspace. ~ Rob13 Talk 20:29, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think there are behavioral issues here that need addressing; the diffs appear to mostly be understandable frustration resulting from a long-running argument. There's a clear philosophical disagreement on the nature of draft-space, and a more specific question regarding the sheer number of drafts Taku should be able to be responsible for at one time. There's no reason to have a discussion at XfD until there's consensus on at least one of those points.
Power~enwiki (
talk)
19:49, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- @
Power~enwiki: AN usually doesn't handle content issues. It will not result in deletion of existing drafts, so this is the proper venue to handle this. The AN is dealing exclusively with the behavioral issues. Is there a particular reason you think a pause will be helpful? ~
Rob13
Talk
19:46, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. If there's a behavioral issue, resolve it on AN not piecemeal. @ Legacypac: your behavior here is onerous. There is absolutely no justifiable reason for submitting the same draft for creation and deletion. VQuakr ( talk) 04:15, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
- First, you have not commented on the page, but on my efforts to give it 6 months for improvement (or maybe even immediate acceptance to mainspace). That is unwelcome. Since Taku absolutely rejects any time limit on improving these drafts, I'm left to conclude they either can't be improved (they are not suitable topics or no one has the technical ability to write them up) or there is no plan to improve them and they are therefore abandoned. Take your pick, both roads lead to deletion. Legacypac ( talk) 04:54, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
This page of notes, and I believe all the others, has been copied to
User:TakuyaMurata/Drafts
User:Johnuniq/TakuyaMurata's single page draftpage so deleting the substub will hurt no one.
Legacypac (
talk)
17:32, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
My post was tampered with. I did not change that link. Legacypac ( talk) 00:03, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the discussion was: keep . Not enough support to delete this one at this time. (non-admin closure) Legacypac ( talk) 15:07, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Draft:Faithfully flat descent
Attempts to redirect this page have been rebuffed (see talk). An attempt to subject it to AFC was reversed. There is no evident intent to move draft forward, so delete it. Legacypac ( talk) 13:44, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
- Keep: seriously? Again again again, why delete? What are you trying to achieve? I'm not stupid; I get you want to delete it. You are required to make an argument for the removal. "You want it" isn't enough! -- Taku ( talk) 13:46, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
- Close No reason given for deletion. Thincat ( talk) 18:48, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
At this point it is a WP:NOTAWEBHOST violation. Legacypac ( talk) 18:51, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
- It is not a web hosting service nor does it come close to meeting criteria 1 to 5. I have added a hatnote although its status was already completely clear. Thincat ( talk) 19:15, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect as proposed on talk per violations of WP:NOTWEBHOST and WP:NOTESSAY. This article reads as an attempt to write an editorial, not as an encyclopedic article. Phrases like "The statement is actually incredibly succinct" push this into WP:NOTESSAY territory. Redirecting the draft to the main article allows editors who navigate to this draft to contribute to mainspace. ~ Rob13 Talk 17:55, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- Procedural Keep I saw this via WikiProject Mathematics. I see no reason to keep this as a draft; it hasn't been updated in 2 years and shows no signs of resembling a mainspace article. I support deleting on the merits, but I also support pausing any XfDs until the
WP:AN discussion is complete.
Power~enwiki (
talk)
19:17, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- @
Power~enwiki: AN usually doesn't handle content issues. It will not result in deletion of existing drafts, so this is the proper venue to handle this. The AN is dealing exclusively with the behavioral issues. Is there a particular reason you think a pause will be helpful? ~
Rob13
Talk
19:46, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think there are behavioral issues here that need addressing; the diffs appear to mostly be understandable frustration resulting from a long-running argument. There's a clear philosophical disagreement on the nature of draft-space, and a more specific question regarding the sheer number of drafts Taku should be able to be responsible for at one time. There's no reason to have a discussion at XfD until there's consensus on at least one of those points.
Power~enwiki (
talk)
19:49, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- The behavioral issue is the misuse of draftspace. ~ Rob13 Talk 20:29, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think there are behavioral issues here that need addressing; the diffs appear to mostly be understandable frustration resulting from a long-running argument. There's a clear philosophical disagreement on the nature of draft-space, and a more specific question regarding the sheer number of drafts Taku should be able to be responsible for at one time. There's no reason to have a discussion at XfD until there's consensus on at least one of those points.
Power~enwiki (
talk)
19:49, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- @
Power~enwiki: AN usually doesn't handle content issues. It will not result in deletion of existing drafts, so this is the proper venue to handle this. The AN is dealing exclusively with the behavioral issues. Is there a particular reason you think a pause will be helpful? ~
Rob13
Talk
19:46, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. If there's a behavioral issue, resolve it on AN not piecemeal. @ Legacypac: your behavior here is onerous. There is absolutely no justifiable reason for submitting the same draft for creation and deletion. VQuakr ( talk) 04:15, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
- First, you have not commented on the page, but on my efforts to give it 6 months for improvement (or maybe even immediate acceptance to mainspace). That is unwelcome. Since Taku absolutely rejects any time limit on improving these drafts, I'm left to conclude they either can't be improved (they are not suitable topics or no one has the technical ability to write them up) or there is no plan to improve them and they are therefore abandoned. Take your pick, both roads lead to deletion. Legacypac ( talk) 04:54, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
This page of notes, and I believe all the others, has been copied to
User:TakuyaMurata/Drafts
User:Johnuniq/TakuyaMurata's single page draftpage so deleting the substub will hurt no one.
Legacypac (
talk)
17:32, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
My post was tampered with. I did not change that link. Legacypac ( talk) 00:03, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.