The result of the discussion was: keep . ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 16:14, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Declined 7 times at AfC with various concerns over 14 months and pending submitted again. We should either accept this on the basis of discussion or delete it for so many submission. Legacypac ( talk) 02:51, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
There appeare to be limited support for the idea the topic is notable. The first keep vote is from someone who does not support the idea of deletion based on repeated declied submissions wilhich is the basis of this nom which is an ideological keep rather than a policy keep vote. I suggest relist rather than close to give the creator a chance to prove notability or not with assistence. Legacypac ( talk) 15:40, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
A draft that has been repeatedly resubmitted and declined at AfC without any substantial improvement may be deleted at MfD if consensus determines that it is unlikely to ever meet the requirements for mainspace and it otherwise meets one of the reasons for deletion outlined in the deletion policy.While this draft has surely been resubmitted and declined quite a few times, neither the nominator nor anyone else has asserted that it
is unlikely to ever meet the requirements for mainspacenor that it meets any of the reasons for deletion Note also that WP:ATD says
If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page.Also, WP:PRESERVE says
As long as any facts or ideas would belong in an encyclopedia, they should be retained in Wikipedia.and
Instead of removing article content that is poorly presented, consider cleaning up the writing, formatting or sourcing on the spot, or tagging it as necessary.A general mantra of deletion policy is "When in doubt, don't delete." There seems some doubt here. Indeed even the nominator has not clearly asserted that this should be deleted, but rather that it should either be deleted or promoted to mainspace forthwith, if I understand the nom correctly. No one else seems to support that stark either-or choice. This falls within the technical limits of a SNOW keep, but a simple keep outcome would be reasonable. I see no good reason to relist, nor to delete. DES (talk) DESiegel Contribs 16:58, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
the creator and anyone he can recruitwill have far more than a week. 6 months or more. You still seem to think that the only alternatives are delete or promote. Others do not agree. DES (talk) DESiegel Contribs 02:45, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
If it is notable it belongs in mainspace for improvement. If not notable 14 months of effort is enough. All topics are notable or not notable even before someone writes the first word. If the creator feels it notable they should just move it to mainspace and stop wasting AfC time. Legacypac ( talk) 02:53, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
The result of the discussion was: keep . ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 16:14, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Declined 7 times at AfC with various concerns over 14 months and pending submitted again. We should either accept this on the basis of discussion or delete it for so many submission. Legacypac ( talk) 02:51, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
There appeare to be limited support for the idea the topic is notable. The first keep vote is from someone who does not support the idea of deletion based on repeated declied submissions wilhich is the basis of this nom which is an ideological keep rather than a policy keep vote. I suggest relist rather than close to give the creator a chance to prove notability or not with assistence. Legacypac ( talk) 15:40, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
A draft that has been repeatedly resubmitted and declined at AfC without any substantial improvement may be deleted at MfD if consensus determines that it is unlikely to ever meet the requirements for mainspace and it otherwise meets one of the reasons for deletion outlined in the deletion policy.While this draft has surely been resubmitted and declined quite a few times, neither the nominator nor anyone else has asserted that it
is unlikely to ever meet the requirements for mainspacenor that it meets any of the reasons for deletion Note also that WP:ATD says
If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page.Also, WP:PRESERVE says
As long as any facts or ideas would belong in an encyclopedia, they should be retained in Wikipedia.and
Instead of removing article content that is poorly presented, consider cleaning up the writing, formatting or sourcing on the spot, or tagging it as necessary.A general mantra of deletion policy is "When in doubt, don't delete." There seems some doubt here. Indeed even the nominator has not clearly asserted that this should be deleted, but rather that it should either be deleted or promoted to mainspace forthwith, if I understand the nom correctly. No one else seems to support that stark either-or choice. This falls within the technical limits of a SNOW keep, but a simple keep outcome would be reasonable. I see no good reason to relist, nor to delete. DES (talk) DESiegel Contribs 16:58, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
the creator and anyone he can recruitwill have far more than a week. 6 months or more. You still seem to think that the only alternatives are delete or promote. Others do not agree. DES (talk) DESiegel Contribs 02:45, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
If it is notable it belongs in mainspace for improvement. If not notable 14 months of effort is enough. All topics are notable or not notable even before someone writes the first word. If the creator feels it notable they should just move it to mainspace and stop wasting AfC time. Legacypac ( talk) 02:53, 24 June 2018 (UTC)