Wikipedia Mediation Cabal | |
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Article | Images in Article Incubator |
Status | Closed |
Request date | 09:35, 30 October 2010 (UTC) |
Requesting party | Eclipsed ¤ |
Parties involved | Eclipsed, DASHbot |
Mediator(s) | PhilKnight ( talk) |
Comment | Refer to Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#RfC: Non-free content in Article Incubator |
Non-free Files used within Wikipedia:Article Incubator pages are being tagged for deletion, with rationale based on Wikipedia:CSD#F5. ie: non-free images are only allowed in the main article space.
But because the Article Incubator project is for the fixing/creation of articles, in preparation for move into main article space, I disagree with the rationale used for deletion.
Note: This dispute is not about copyright. This dispute is about Files in Article Incubator being incorrectly tagged as Orphans, and thus incorrectly tagged for Deletion.
I'd like to change the following:
What | Where | Why |
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Add Article Incubator to NFC exemption list | + |
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I think you can help by providing an independent view point.
I think you would be better off setting up an Request for Comment on WT:NFCC. PhilKnight ( talk) 17:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
As said before, article incubator is not article namespace. It does not matter if the image is on a page in incubator, in userspace, in archives, or anywhere else except the main namespace. It is the policy in response to a real law. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 11:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
For reference, the CSD#F5. Unused unfree images criteria is:
My claims are:
Thanks. Eclipsed ¤ 11:35, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
For Reference, the criteria for WP:NFCC#9 is:
For Reference, the Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria exemptions is/are:
My claim is that the Article Incubator is a valid exemption to WP:NFCC#9, and thus the Article Incubator space should be added to Category:Wikipedia non-free content criteria exemptions. Thanks. Eclipsed ¤ 13:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
As a side note: if the article in question ( Wikipedia:Article_Incubator/En_Derin) graduates from the Article Incubator into mainspace, then the issue that started this discussion is moot. I can't do this myself, as I edited the article. But other editors can review the page and decide for themselves it they want to click 'Move to mainspace' in the tool box.
However, the ongoing issue of images in the Article Incubator would still be open, and I hope a consensus can be reached via this mediation. Thanks. Eclipsed ¤ 15:09, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
I see this is a discussion going on in several locations. I am opposed to excluding/exemptions for non-free material in the Incubator. In regards to fair use images I am going to paste what I said at Wikipedia talk:NFCC#RfC: Non-free content in Article Incubator here as well. I know there was not explicit wording saying "any material taken from anywhere would become exempt simply by placing a FUR on it and putting in the incubator" but it clearly *does* imply it: Non-free content in the Article Incubator qualify as a Reasonable Exception for an upcoming article. certainly seems like "an actual proposal for exemption wording." So does Non-free content in the Article Incubator qualify as very likely to have use on a valid article. and I would argue that even The Article Incubator is a valid use of creating or managing the encyclopedia sounds like exemptions for any non-free content to be exempt from following any policy. I use the "if" "and" "than" plain English wording - in this case all three of the proposed wordings suggest that "if" there is non-free material "and" it is used in Article Incubator space "than" it would be 1> " a Reasonable Exception" 2> "very likely to have use" 3> "a valid use." And, when combined with the current wording at the incubator, any such material could be left for at least 3 months without being questioned. Soundvisions1 ( talk) 01:04, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to request this case be closed, and possibly the RfC also. It has generated many other discussions related to the Incubator. I think it'd be best for the various proposals to be reviewed/rewritten/merged by the participants in the incubator. Then we can decide what to request.
Until then, there would be no change to NFC policy, and NFC in the incubator will be tagged as orphans, and deleted.
Wikipedia Mediation Cabal | |
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Article | Images in Article Incubator |
Status | Closed |
Request date | 09:35, 30 October 2010 (UTC) |
Requesting party | Eclipsed ¤ |
Parties involved | Eclipsed, DASHbot |
Mediator(s) | PhilKnight ( talk) |
Comment | Refer to Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#RfC: Non-free content in Article Incubator |
Non-free Files used within Wikipedia:Article Incubator pages are being tagged for deletion, with rationale based on Wikipedia:CSD#F5. ie: non-free images are only allowed in the main article space.
But because the Article Incubator project is for the fixing/creation of articles, in preparation for move into main article space, I disagree with the rationale used for deletion.
Note: This dispute is not about copyright. This dispute is about Files in Article Incubator being incorrectly tagged as Orphans, and thus incorrectly tagged for Deletion.
I'd like to change the following:
What | Where | Why |
---|---|---|
Add Article Incubator to NFC exemption list | + |
|
I think you can help by providing an independent view point.
I think you would be better off setting up an Request for Comment on WT:NFCC. PhilKnight ( talk) 17:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
As said before, article incubator is not article namespace. It does not matter if the image is on a page in incubator, in userspace, in archives, or anywhere else except the main namespace. It is the policy in response to a real law. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 11:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
For reference, the CSD#F5. Unused unfree images criteria is:
My claims are:
Thanks. Eclipsed ¤ 11:35, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
For Reference, the criteria for WP:NFCC#9 is:
For Reference, the Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria exemptions is/are:
My claim is that the Article Incubator is a valid exemption to WP:NFCC#9, and thus the Article Incubator space should be added to Category:Wikipedia non-free content criteria exemptions. Thanks. Eclipsed ¤ 13:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
As a side note: if the article in question ( Wikipedia:Article_Incubator/En_Derin) graduates from the Article Incubator into mainspace, then the issue that started this discussion is moot. I can't do this myself, as I edited the article. But other editors can review the page and decide for themselves it they want to click 'Move to mainspace' in the tool box.
However, the ongoing issue of images in the Article Incubator would still be open, and I hope a consensus can be reached via this mediation. Thanks. Eclipsed ¤ 15:09, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
I see this is a discussion going on in several locations. I am opposed to excluding/exemptions for non-free material in the Incubator. In regards to fair use images I am going to paste what I said at Wikipedia talk:NFCC#RfC: Non-free content in Article Incubator here as well. I know there was not explicit wording saying "any material taken from anywhere would become exempt simply by placing a FUR on it and putting in the incubator" but it clearly *does* imply it: Non-free content in the Article Incubator qualify as a Reasonable Exception for an upcoming article. certainly seems like "an actual proposal for exemption wording." So does Non-free content in the Article Incubator qualify as very likely to have use on a valid article. and I would argue that even The Article Incubator is a valid use of creating or managing the encyclopedia sounds like exemptions for any non-free content to be exempt from following any policy. I use the "if" "and" "than" plain English wording - in this case all three of the proposed wordings suggest that "if" there is non-free material "and" it is used in Article Incubator space "than" it would be 1> " a Reasonable Exception" 2> "very likely to have use" 3> "a valid use." And, when combined with the current wording at the incubator, any such material could be left for at least 3 months without being questioned. Soundvisions1 ( talk) 01:04, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to request this case be closed, and possibly the RfC also. It has generated many other discussions related to the Incubator. I think it'd be best for the various proposals to be reviewed/rewritten/merged by the participants in the incubator. Then we can decide what to request.
Until then, there would be no change to NFC policy, and NFC in the incubator will be tagged as orphans, and deleted.